September 11 2012

Starting from Zero

By Mark Sisson
138 Comments

With yesterday’s launch of this year’s Primal Challenge, I hope you’re all feeling as pumped and excited as I am. Whatever your biggest goal coming into it (e.g. weight loss, stress management, fitness performance), you’re in great company. Thousands of readers every year find the annual Challenge a powerful catalyst for transforming their well-being. Having made the initial commitment, we’re now on the journey itself. This is where the rubber meets the road, folks. Rush turns to focus. Vision becomes reality one day at a time. For some readers, however, staring down the path might seem especially long and arduous. The road side, so to speak, might be littered with the psychological scraps of past disappointments, long-term illness, or emotional issues. Some folks can feel like they’re starting their journey from a formidable zero.

You might be in the worst shape of your life. You might be tipping the scale at an all-time high. You might be fighting a serious health condition you never dreamed you’d encounter. You may have battled disordered eating. You might not remember when/if you ever had a good self-image. My good readers, how many of you felt this way before going Primal? A good percentage of our Friday Success Stories tell this story. An inspiring number of our 2012 Success Stories in the Making reflect the same.

In all my years talking with clients and readers, I’ve heard people often say they’re starting from zero, from rock bottom, with no baseline at all. I understand where they were coming from. Everyone is beginning this journey with a different level of fitness and health. I get that. Yet, I have never in my entire career met anyone starting with nothing. The concept defies physiological reality.

You might get winded walking up half a flight of stairs. You may have lost significant muscle mass. You might struggle to simply sit with (let alone carry) around the extra 50, 75, or 100+ pounds you’ve put on. However, your body is still made to move. It still craves it. I ran across a quote recently “If you have a body, you’re an athlete.” I’d second that. It’s feels harder to train at times, but – make no mistake – living and breathing within you is that pure physical force, that Primal Grok, that evolutionary extraordinaire. Choosing to live Primally – with the right fuel, the expected movement, the necessary sleep and sun – simply allows you to live out the full measure of that vital potential.

And let me say something else about one’s “baseline.” When beginning a journey like this, baseline is about much more than VO2 max, mile time, bench press weight, or lipid profile. Numbers don’t tell your story, and they don’t determine your prospects for success. Think for a minute about what else you bring to the Challenge. What about the motivational power? What about the emotional stamina? What about the social strength of friends, family, and Primal community? What about the force of full-on personal investment or raw will? Those count for something. In fact, those often count for everything. Your physical baseline determines the particular level you start from, but it doesn’t define the trajectory of your journey or the fulfillment of your experience along the way.

Along these lines, let me offer a few suggestions and invite each and every one of our readers to give their own perspective and encouragement.

Invest in Support

As you begin the Challenge, make sure you’re taking full advantage of the support system you have. Not everyone in your life is on board with the Primal Blueprint, it’s true. Regardless, look to those in your life who bring a Primally sympathetic or just open mindset. Some friends, even if they can’t understand why you’re eating so much fat, will support you because they want to simply celebrate any investment you make in your health and happiness. Embrace that. Open yourself to the support of folks in this community. Participate in the comment boards, join the forum, and you’ll see what I mean. Finally, if you feel like past issues like disordered eating still have a grip on you, enlist the professional help you need and deserve.

Develop Big Picture Perspective

Sometimes people get caught up in a particular goal and lose sight of the full process. Embrace daily Primal living and not just specific Challenge goals. (For some people, this might be an important Challenge focus itself.) Going Primal will get you to the destination you have in mind, but it’s not the deprivation-focused, white-knuckle experience you might be used to. Use the Challenge to transform your life as well as you physiology. Relish the myriad of benefits going Primal offers. It’s more than the weight loss and lean muscle mass. Notice the better quality sleep, the more even mood, the sharper focus, the more consistent energy in your day. On that note…

Prioritize Feeling Good (Primally Speaking) Every Day

You’re making a point of eating real, ancestral-worthy food, of adding an exercise regimen. Rest assured, you’re remaking your physiology in the process. You will absolutely reap the benefits long before this Challenge is over. But also make a point of doing something (or several things) that make you feel good today. These healthy “indulgences” can help get you through a rough day of low carb flu or unexpected stress. Relax in the sun. Relish turning in early for a full night’s sleep. (Remember what that feels like?) Share a walk with a good friend you haven’t talked to in a while. Play. Enjoy an old hobby. Take a personal retreat. Make a masterpiece dinner and savor it in real ambiance. In other words, let yourself enjoy the process. Make the Challenge an indulgence as well as an investment in yourself. And make sure you have good Primal fun every day.

Grokkers, please chime in – whether you identify with the “starting from zero” or want to support those who do. What perspective and advice do you have? Thanks for reading today, everyone. Check back tomorrow for the 8 Key Concepts you need to understand for a successful Primal Blueprint 21-Day Challenge.

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  1. I definitely support anyone willing to try something new, including myself. I’m not starting from rock bottom–I’ve lost ~45lbs over the past couple years (not with primal, although many principles were the same).

    My rock bottom was May 2010 when I weighed 275lbs on a 5′ 8.5″ female frame and had almost no energy to do anything.

    1. Hi

      Sorry don’t know where to post my question so here goes….. I dont eat legumes with the exception of fresh string green beans as they are great in soup and with raw butter. However is this Paelo or should I be avoiding them? I’ve just started reading your book but can’t locate an answer to my question.

      1. Go to the search at the top and type in green beans–Mark has discussed this before–says their OK and has even included them in several of the recipes in his cook books.

  2. I think it helps to pick some smaller goals sometimes, just as a day-to-day thing. Today, I am feeling pretty down, but I am going to make myself some applesauce to try with my homemade yogurt. Not only is making my own food totally Primal, it should be delicious! It’s also a way for me to start carefully reintroducing fruit into my diet after some severe Candida issues (cooked is easier for digestion).

    1. I totally agree about picking smaller goals! If I need to tell myself I only will do two sprints to get myself out the door, then I tell myself I only need to do two sprints. Often times momentum will pick up, and I’ll end up exceeding my goal.

  3. I’m not starting from zero either, but pretty close! I’ve fallen off the primal wagon and the challenge is just what I need to get right back on board. I support everyone willing to give it a shot, what do we have to lose?

  4. In Oct.of 2010 is when I relised I was not the real me. I saw a 65 year old man who had droped down to what he called fighting weight. If he could do it so could I. I did I dropped down to 118 and I no longer hert all over. I stll am not as fit as I should be. But with the challenge I am going to make stides toward being more fit.

    1. Every success. I took a Minimalist approach to gaining weight and building muscle some years ago. I’ve periodically dropped off the wagon, but what keeps me motivated over the long-term is having females 20+ years younger check me out as I pass. I believe the same will happen for you.

      All The Best

  5. Today I shared with a co-worker/friend my Primal diet. She was kind of surprised by the “no grains” aspect, and I thought for sure she’d say something critical… but all she said was, “Eating more fat? That sounds… delicious!”

    1. I got the same reaction from my friends… More steak and fat please… why waste stomach space with pasta/ bread when you can enjoy more tasty things!

      One thing that will help anyone starting on this road is to focus on achieving just 1 thing per day. Those small successes daily are habit forming, and a great way to build to bigger things!

  6. Even though I’ve changed a lot since starting paleo two years ago, I start at zero every day. I have a long term plan, but I don’t think about it too much, I try to stay focused on today. My priorities change every day, sleep, movement, food. If I ignore what I need, I get the feedback pretty quick. I’m learning how to just live and not obsess. I’m liking the result.

    1. I really like this:

      “I start at zero every day. I have a long term plan, but I don’t think about it too much, I try to stay focused on today. My priorities change every day, sleep, movement, food. If I ignore what I need, I get the feedback pretty quick. I’m learning how to just live and not obsess.”

      I started eating primally about a week and a half ago and this is exactly how I feel and want to approach my days. I have obsessed too much in the past. I need to pay attention to the simple things, not too many at once. One step at a time.

    2. Thank you for this perspective, Wendy. It has been very helpful to me.

  7. I was at my all time high weight on July 1st and did 30 days of “pure” Primal – no cheating. I felt fantastic and by day 30 had lost 11 lbs and it was in ALL the “right places”. I’m enjoying every meal and my new size! I still have 2/3’s of the way to go to my goal weight. To anyone starting this 21 day challenge – If I can do this, YOU can do it! Signed, a former sugar junkie

    1. Oh, and did I mention? My doc took me off the Blood Pressure meds I had been taking for 15 years!

      1. That’s really the dream — getting off these meds that have come with unfit middle age (in my case). Congratulations!

  8. I’m definitely starting from zero. Well, I’ve made serious progress over the past 45 days, but, when compared to the damage I’ve done over the past 35 years, I’ve got a LONG way to go. Although I started eating and exercising primally last month, I’m using this challenge to make sure that I continue on the right path while incorporating ALL of the aspects of the primal lifestyle. Good luck to all. Must go eat fish now.

  9. I think the concept of ‘starting from zero’ can be a relative one. My family and I just recently finished relocating a few states away, and the subsequenty stress, bad eating, bad sleeping that accompanied that time period. I am ‘starting from zero’ now to continue to improve my health. Is today’s zero better off than the zero years back? Absolutely. I probably weight 225 [at 6’2]. I used to weight 305.

    I know I am better off, but the concept of ‘starting anew’ is a powerful one and I continue to use it as life throws me challenges.

  10. I read this blog via an RSS feed on Livejournal. If anyone else on Livejournal wants to connect with me as we do this challenge I’m at Gwendally.livejournal.com.

  11. My rock bottom was 314 pounds as a 5’2″ female, not fitting into cars, chairs, bathroom stalls, airplaine seats, breaking toilet seats and no longer fitting into clothes even from the “Big girl” stores. I couldn’t tie my own shoes, put on my own socks or lift my hands above shoulder level. I sent other family members to the back of the grocery store to get milk because it was too far for me to walk.

    I’m now 139 pounds and getting fitter and stronger every single day. There is nothing special about me. I’m as ordinary as they come. I just DECIDED to get healthy. I so encourage anyone out there who is where I was to just make that decision. If I can do it, you can to.

    1. For those that think that they are too far down the wrong path and there’s no way back, here’s a thought:

      The best time to plant a tree is 20 years ago. The second best time is today. It is NEVER too late to make a positive change.

    2. Great job. Wow down to 139 lbs. Awesome!! I’m really thinking of doing the primal diet now after reading this. I have had the book for several months now but haven’t stuck with it.I’m going to start the journey.

    3. Ravey,
      That is awesome!! I have a co-worker that we are all so worried about (fits what you had described above) and I wish there was some way I could encourage her to try something, but I feel like she really needs to want to lose the weight and get healthy and she is not there! BTW, I have been primal since May 2012! Down 30 pounds and feel amazing!

  12. Hey Mark (and all others here), for 6 years I have struggled with an eating disorder. I went Primal for a good 8 months, hoping that that would help, that it would change things. Though I loved eating Primal, my mindset still became utterly restrictive and eating disordered. After adding some grains back in to my diet and gaining the necessary weight, I want to try and change my diet to what feels good for my body–but I still question if it is good for my mind. Have you ever encountered anyone else who has such a question? What did you tell them, if so. If not, help??

    1. Z.E.S.T., I’d recommend the book “Full Moon Feast: Food and the Hunger for Connection” by Jessica Prentice. She advocates for a whole-food diet (based on the Weston Price Foundation precepts). She had eating disorders most of her life and writes about healing herself both physically and mentally with a high-fat, whole-food diet.

  13. I reached zero on the day my daughter was born. Looking back, I was swollen and looked unhappy in pictures. I decided to make a dramatic change.

    While I didn’t follow Mark’s specific plan, I did follow a similar low-carb diet (as promoted by Gary Taubes).

    I had dramatic results.. within 2 months I was down over 40 lbs with little exercise.

    My teeth were healthier, I had no more gas or bloating, I had more sustained energy, I managed to lose a persistent hand rash, and (most importantly) I was no longer a grizzly-bear when I hadn’t eaten within 2 hours of my last meal.

    Be warned, though, the first 2 or 3 days can be rough if you have serious sugar withdrawal (as I did). Tough it out and you will feel amazing.

    Also be warned that many of your friends or family may be worried or hostile to your diet (especially when you splash butter on a steak and skip the potato). The problem is that low-fat dogma is so engrained in our collective consciousness that it is hard to convince people otherwise..

    Let the results speak for themselves.. I have my whole office coming to me for advice now.

    Good Luck!

  14. In a way we’re all starting from zero when you consider the benefits even the “conventionally ” healthy get from changing this to this frame work.

    If you come from thinking bodybuilders are good models of health you’ve got lots of muscle but you’re starting from zero.

    If you come from thinking Marathoners are good models of health you’ve got lots of stamina but you’re starting from zero.

    I’ve been studying and practising this stuff for the last two year and I start everyday at zero.

  15. Thanks for the reminder that this is about lifestyle change, not just meeting big goals! I’ve been struggling with getting my eating back on track and letting anxiety get to me. Time to focus on living Primal and feeling good today, rather than on the remaining 60 lbs I need to lose.

  16. Almost three years ago, I started at zero, or close to it. It was exhilirating, because there was nowhere to go but up!

    I had tried to get healthy before, but didn’t really know what I was doing. The Primal Blueprint changed all that. Just live like your ancestors! This simplified everything and gave me total confidence. It wasn’t long before I started reaping the rewards, which kept me motivated to this day.

    Even now I feel like a beginner. And I hope never to lose that feeling! When you are just starting out, any change is possible, and every change is amazing.

    Embrace the humility of the beginner. You will achieve more than the so-called experts!

  17. My rock bottom was in 2005, after my father passed away from cancer, I continued with my poor lifestyle habits in excess, the same ones that took his life. As a 5’8″ small frame person who graduated high school at 150 lbs, I had ballooned up to 205 pounds of pure fat, no muscle. I had just purchased a puppy and while I was chasing her around the yard, i felt my heart start pounding in a way I had never felt before, I was short of breath, had tingling in my head, felt dizzy and though I was going to pass out or have a heart attack. I was 26 years old at the time. I looked like I was 46. It was a wake-up call.

    I was able to drop down to 160 lbs during the course of that summer, but not by the healthiest means. I never felt truly “healthy”. This past winter I once again put on extra weight and was 180lbs at christmas time. I thought I would never be able to find a comfortable weight and manage it, especially without working out for 2-3 hours per day. Thus began my search for true healthiness.

    I went on a strict vegan diet starting in January, and during the first two months I felt great and was able to drop down to 143 lbs which I consistently remained at until just over a month ago. After a grain-binge, I put on 10 lbs that hasn’t seemed to want to go away.

    Thus begins my transition to a Primal Life. Nothing to lose right? I’ve already eliminated all of the other poisons from my life, now I am one week free from grains. All I have to do is up the fat intake a little and slowly incorporate some meat into my day. I’m a little nervous, but also excited.

    I love this community, so glad I came across this site several months ago, and look forward to becoming a fellow Grokker.

    Good luck to all who are starting anew, and thank you to all who have already done it, your words and testimonials are awesome!

      1. well i haven’t yet consumed any meat, but soon i think. so i guess i’m “gatherer grok” right now haha! one of these days, i just need to build up some courage.

        1. @Ham-Bone

          I really appreciate the link. I read the article and almost all of the comments. Since I haven’t been on this diet for even a year, I don’t think much of it applies to me. I’m trying to think of what is causing my hesitation and honestly I can’t really identify one particular thing. But for the most part, I have actually experienced many health benefits over the last 8 months of being a vegan. Granted my previous diet consisted of daily wheat, sodas, sugars, breads, cereals, milk, cheese and meats, and by eliminating all of them I was certainly going to see a boost in my health. Now that all of the other poisons are out, I might be thinking that meat could be a gateway into the other stuff. However I like to think that I have more self control than that.

          Some of it might be a personal identity issue as well, I sort of enjoy being an “outlier” and being different from the norm. eating strictly raw fruits, veggies and nuts is certainly not the norm. Especially being someone who trains in boxing/mma.

          Also, I used to have a major problem with the last part of the digestive process. The very last part. I feel a little concern that adding meats and fats back into the diet will “bind” me up again, and that is something I cannot afford, physically, mentally or financially. My issues are finally gone after ten years of agonizing pain and now I have the most pleasurable movements ever!

          Anyway, starting small should work. I don’t think I will ever go back to meat in every meal, I’m thinking one meal a day, a couple days a week. And smaller portions, 4-6 ozs. The fact that I am a small individual to begin with factors in as well. Does a 135-40lb person need as much meat/protein as a 185-205lb person? I would think not.

          Thanks again for the link!

  18. Right, take it one day at a time. Now is what we have and we can make changes now. I started today with a great walk with the dog, and then a session of LHT. I feel great this am. All I needed to do was get up and walk out the door. Griz (the dog)was thrilled to go for walk with me.

    1. I start every single day with walkin the dogs 🙂 Isn’t it a grand & glorious way to begin each day?

      1. I do too! Somedays I don’t feel like going, but I am ALWAYS glad I do. And my dog loves it :).

      2. I’ve started to add in some short sprints to our walk. My pooch is getting a little old and I think the running helps her arthritis. Although sometimes she won’t follow me and gives me a funny look!!!

  19. Baby steps, many of them, add up to long distances. Compare progress month-on-month, year-on-year, not day-to-day or meal-to-meal.

    1. I agree that we need to take baby steps for any significant life change. Jumping in feet first can cause frustration and the abandoning of promising programs and structures. When it comes to changing a lifestyle that is the only way to go!

  20. I’m down 50 lbs from my rock bottom. I loathed looking into the mirror and seeing a bloated, tired, inflammed blob; a complete 180 from my younger days. Life happens and it is really easy to make bad food/health decisions, which compound over time. I no longer use weight as a set metric, but I think I have at least another 30 lbs to before I add on lean muscle. Any one can do this!

    1. When you do take up dumbell curls be sure to use the Ron Burgandy “count” 1001… 1002… 1003…

  21. For me I learned to turn the ‘negative’ emotion of disgust with myself into exactly what I needed for motivation. It felt like starting from zero because it was my rock bottom as it were. I realized for quite a while that I was sliding into bad habits and poor health, but with all the pep-talks I had with myself and positive affirmations posted on my mirror, it wasn’t until I was truly disgusted with myself that I said “That’s it, I’m not going to let this take over my life.
    I’m going to live my life to the fullest and be the healthiest I can be.” – Or words to that effect…
    I still conjure up that feeling of disgust when I feel myself falling off the wagon and it still works.
    Good luck to all of you who feel like you’re at that place now. Don’t see disgust or even despair as negative – use it to your advantage and go kick some butt.

  22. I’ve done a 30-day challenge before and gained 5 pounds on an already 100 pound overweight frame. I SO want this to work, it’s a life I can get my brain around, so I’m putting the “but” behind me and going full on one more time.

    1. Hey, you can do it! I’ve been Primal for 38 days. I haven’t lost any weight, but I had some lab work done and the diet change is reflected in my blood work/cholesterol. Please don’t get discouraged. There might be changes happening that aren’t reflected on the scale!

      1. My doctor is having a COW about my lab work. It’s gotten worse and she’s pushing pills at me. Not gonna happen. So far the only changes I’ve seen are that I LIKE the food! And at my age, better to enjoy the food than spend an hour plus every day weighing, measuring and counting calories (did that for MANY years.)

  23. I am also not starting from scratch, have lost 60 pounds since December eating Primal, but I have slid off it lately. My goal is to get back in the Primal eating and the heck with those who say they are concerned that I will die of a heart attack before I am 40!

  24. The timing of this 21 day challenge is perfect to get me to refocus on healthy living. I have been all over the place lately caring for everyone else but myself. Time to refocus on what my priorities are, and the life that I want to live. To be the best that I can be also. It’s a beautiful sunny day. I have been procrastinating on exercising for 3 weeks. ENOUGH – DAY 1 of 21: I am going to start the challenge with an hour bike ride, with tons of oxygenating, with taking in the sun,and with lots of infused positive loving bear-hugging “YOU CAN DO IT” thoughts. Talleeehoooooo!

  25. I’m 39 and in ways I feel like I’m starting anew. I’ve been Primal for a few years now, but I’ve recently quit some bad habits that will have a tremendous positive impact on my health and happiness.

    No matter what it is, or from where you start, you can take a positive step.

    At times I envy the folks that discovered primal living in their 20s, but there’s nothing I can do about it.

    I can only measure against myself, and what progress I’ve made.
    Good luck everyone!

    Lars

    1. Lars,
      I envy YOU for being Primal at 39!!

      Signed,
      Finding Primal at 60

  26. Hi Mark. This post couldn’t have come at a better time for me.

  27. It’s always better at the very beginning because the progress you make at the very beginning is always so much faster than when you further along.

  28. While I’m not starting from a physical zero (by living Primally, I lost 70 pounds in the past year-ish post pregnancy – pretty proud of that), but I’m starting from an emotional zero. I’m doing this challenge to be healthier and to actually, intentionally care for myself. And, as this post suggests, this involves doing something “special” every day. This post was a good reminder that it’s not just about inches or pounds, it’s also about finding your joy and being content with who you are, even if you’re not exactly where you want to be.

  29. Another great post! For me, starting from zero means defining your purpose. If you are able to articulate your purpose and stay aligned with it, you will succeed. Its very simple but not easy and often overlooked. This simple but powerful first step propelled me to get in the best shape of my life. I gained almost 60lbs when I lost my purpose. I redefined my WHY? and have dropped 40lbs since then. I have made it my life’s mission to help others find their purpose and succeed.

  30. Starting from zero & eating short ribs, sweet potatoes, olives & chicken, pate, tomatoes & peaches, dark chocolate, wine…then playing & sleeping? Sign me up!!

    Starting from zero & resigning yourself to dry chicken breasts and yogurt w/splenda…torture. A grind.

    Primal is not a grind. Its aligning your body, mind & spirit with all the stuff that makes us happy: play, sleep, amazing food. The fun stuff also happens to make us healthy. Good luck everyone!

    1. My zero was having so many food allergies I couldn’t eat anything BUT primal: meat, some veggies, berries. Then I started feeling great. Really great. Lost 25 lbs, very slooowly, off my 5’2″ frame, but have gained a ton of good health markers. So glad I stumbled on this!

      1. I am in the same state you were – can’t eat anything but primal because of food allergies (itchy ears are the worst symptom). Love hearing that things have shifted for you. Do you now eat any of the foods that you were previously allergic to?

        1. Mara – I too have food sensitivities and allergies. I’ve been very slowly losing weight, as fitmom says. I’ve been eating Primal since January and I have one major food victory: I just got avocados back! At the end of last year they started giving me major mouth irritation (super itchy). Two weeks ago I gave them another try and I’m so pleased! I will also say that I visited an allergist who’s helping me with vitamins and supplements to heal my digestion. It’s definitely working! All those years of the SAD have taken their toll. Slowly my body is recuperating. I hope that’s encouraging to you! Just keep on keepin’ on 🙂

        2. I eat all of them except for wheat and beans. Some, like uncultured dairy, still have negative effects (breakouts, stomachache), so I skip those for the most part. The GAPS diet is also great for healing gut health & reducing food sensitivities, & aligns nicely with primal, as a temporary measure. Good luck!

  31. This challenge is such perfect timing. I’ve been slipping for the past month or so, and man, I have totally been feeling it this past week. Tired, weak, annoyed more often, unable to focus…now I know why I went primal in the first place! My words of advice would be, EDUCATE YOURSELVES, folks! I think the most inspirational, motivating tactic for me was RESEARCH! I subconsciously began making better food choices when I had the knowledge of what they were and why. It got me excited and it made me feel special [and admittedly a little superior at times] that I knew so much more about health and nutrition than most of the people around me. Devour MDA and read some of the blogs Mark recommends. Get yourself amped up and stick with it! To quote an infamous Men’s Warehouse ad, “you’re gonna like the way you look…I guarantee it”. Good luck all!

  32. When I found MDA 3.5 yrs ago, I *was* at rock bottom! A year before my (then) spouse had left me AND he had been diagnosed with cancer. I lost over 25# on the doom-despair-heartbreak “diet”, leaving me at 102 on a 5’4″ frame. A yr later I had gained back that weight at such a high speed that my skin felt too tight – I was miserable & uncomfortable in my own body. A couple I knew (who were also vegetarians) mentioned “paleo” in a blog. I started the switch. Within 7 days I felt marvelous! Then while looking for recipes, I discovered MDA.
    Long story short: MDA/PB brought me back! Still a work-in-progress, but I’ll never go back 🙂

  33. I started at 288lbs 5’5″. I am down 130 lbs by eating a primal type diet and a lot of running. I now don’t run as much and have added Crossfit.

    I would have to say the journey is as rewarding as reaching the goal. I celebrated every new accomplishment, like losing 10, 20, 25, 30, 40, 50…etc. pounds and adding time to my running every week. I started with jogging only 15 mins on the treadmill and then walked the rest of my work out. I challenged myself to add 5 minutes every week. It was hard, but I did it and it felt so good to accomplish so much.

    Celebrate every little success you have!

  34. I got to rock bottom December last year, I was 104 kg (229 pounds) and even tho I was quite fit for that sort of size, you couldn’t see my muscles but I knew they were there. I had heard about low carb and got on to MDA by googling that and found a lifestyle rather then a diet. I remember it was a big oh Yes! moment. I followed the food part strictly, the exercise not so strictly and lost 10kg quite quickly, maintained that for a while and now have lost another 10kg so I am 187 pounds and have been for a couple of months. I felt great and it seemed to be sorting out some lifelong hormonal problems caused by PCOS. Lately I have not been so strict, I have gotten lazy and some starch and carbs have been creeping in. I want to feel like I did a few months ago and I want to loose another ten kilo so this challenge is my chance to refocus so I don’t hit the bottom again before I decide to change!

  35. I’m one of the “in the making” types. I’ve had enormous success this year. I have one strong recommendation: get fiber every day (no skipping a day), and drink plenty of fluids. I got a rectal fissure from dehydration and lack of fiber shortly after starting, and it’s taking some time to heal. Ouch!

    1. Been there, although it was horrible choices and diet in my college days that brought me the agonizing pain for the next ten years. In my case I had to have surgery, but it was well worth it. I no longer fear daily “duties” and have a bounce in my step again. Gotta love the human body, treat it badly and pay the price!!!

  36. Started my 21-Day-Challenge by whacking myself in the knee with my sledgehammer! Luckily it was just a glancing blow. Perhaps there is such a thing as too much enthusiasm!

  37. I’m at zero, got an office job five years ago. I used to build houses and had more muscle than I knew what to do with. Now I’m 35lbs over weight and no upper body mass. I do run and mountain bike ALOT and it just doesn’t help me to loose weight. I have studied primal for over a year. I had a hard time with the thought of giving up grains and beans and milk etc.etc.etc. I have read the Primal Blueprint, have the cook books, signed up for the e-mails, and hope this works! My wife is supportive so here we go!

  38. I am 55 have been primal for about 6 months now. People always told me I didn’t need to lose weight but I knew better. I am tall and carried the spare tire pretty well. It is mostly gone now but intermittent cheating (IC) has stopped me from finishing it off. This 21 day challenge is just what I need to lose that last 5 pounds. Each time I am tempted I tell myself I can wait til October. I told my wife I still have a little way to go. She said, “I don’t know, your butt looks sculpted already”. Now that’s motivation to stay primal.

  39. I started primal at one of my lowest points a little over 2 months back. I clocked in at 335lbs, my heaviest weight ever. The year before my blood work came back with pre-diabetes. Now that i’m on primal, i’ve already lost 37lbs (first time in 2 years i’ve gotten below 300lbs!) and feel the best i have in almost a decade.

  40. I’ve found that it’s easier to live primally by focusing on each day, rather than some future goal. It’s a lifestyle shift, after all. If I invested too much energy into getting to the end of 21 days, I wouldn’t enjoy it as much, and would be much more likely to binge on day 22 (and each day thereafter).

  41. I think it’s a great idea that people incorporate more elements of primal living into their lives. There is so many benefits to be gained – primal/paleo lifestyle doesn’t have to end at dietary choices.

  42. My zero is a little different than some of you. I’m thin, always have been, but have been a “skinny fat”. No muscle whatsoever, eating like crap, no sleep, run ragged, and all stressed out. I have been working out hard (krav maga and crossfit) for about 6 years now, and finally went primal about a year ago. I quit overextending myself, reduced the stress by 10 fold, and have gotten my life back. The last remaining issue is sleep. I have lived on 4 hours of sleep since high school, and this is the toughest things for me. I’m up to about 5 now, but I have a long way to go… today, I am getting 5 hours 10 minutes. Tomorrow I’ll go for 5 hours 15 minutes… we’ll see!
    Lisl

  43. Good timing on this challenge. I’m not at zero, but I am suffering from my summer holiday and a work conference.

    I stayed more primal than not, but made some exceptions for family harmony and ate a little less well than usual because I was in situations where I was not in control of my own food for longer than I wanted to fast. The small changes here and there added up to feeling ‘off’ (and a very small weight gain – 3 pounds).

    I’m looking forward to feeling great again, very soon!

  44. I’m also not at zero, but suffering from being too lax. For the most part I am eating and living primal, but can always kick it up a notch or two.
    I am looking forward to the next 3 weeks.

  45. Starting from zero was actually a prerequisite for me…I don’t believe I would have gotten into this so head on if I hadn’t almost burned out. That event actually made me extremely susceptible to change and that is exactly when I found all this 🙂 I was on the course, but now I just dove in…and it feels awesome!! 🙂

  46. I think that for me this challenge is about being focused but also remembering to breathe deep and enjoy life. I get way to intense about things sometimes and forget to play, not good at playing! I have lost 34 pounds since Feb on primal and I feel so much better. Just got to get my head straight and relax, sleep, walk and have fun in the sun… lovely thought!

  47. I am a HUGE promoter of the Primal lifestyle. I try my hardest to bring the lifestyle to people’s attention and then when they bite, I offer support. My advice is to only do what you can handle at the time (some can handle jumping in with two feet, others need baby steps) but I encourage them to push further outside their comfort zone when making changes.

    My zero was having ZERO success after years of trying with CW. I was taking 3 antidepressants/mood elevators, I had sciatic issues and multiple running injuries. My chiropractor (who was working on my running injuries) recommended I check out this website and follow a more Primal/Paleo lifestyle. I did and haven’t looked back. This experience has been AMAZING for me!

  48. Even though I’ve been delightedly primal for a year, I’m doing the challenge because–well, it’s a challenge! It’s fun. I like stretching myself, as much as I’m able. I’m pushing 70 and arthritic, but that doesn’t stop me for a minute. I do what I can, and love it. One of my goals was to get more sun…yesterday, at home, today out at the lake, sketching with the wind in my hair and fall sun pouring down on my shoulders, knowing there was good food and fresh lemonade waiting at home.

    I am very, very happy with the primal life, so thanks to all who encouraged ME when I started. If you’re new and join the forum, my journal is “Still Craving Pterodactyl.” See you there!

  49. I’m the heaviest I’ve been outside of pregnancies. 5’7.5 and 166, small frame. I am going to cheat and start 21 days on Thursday, my birthday tomorrow. Looking forward to a positive change!

  50. I wouldn’t exactly say I’m starting from rock bottom. Since the beginning of the year, I’ve lost 20 pounds, from 196 to 176. I started running in March but fell off all of August. So in a sense, I’m back to square one, and back in the 180s. I need to do this for me. I need to stop making excuses and make it happen.

  51. My zero point was Mother’s Day this year. I have a wonderful 11 y/o son and a great husband and I had no energy to anything with either of them. My high weight was 247 on a 5’7″ frame. That was the day I found MDA and the P.B. 21 day challenge. Well, for a Mother’s Day gift, I talked with my guys and asked them to go on this journey with me. I have never looked back!
    So far, I have lost 40 pounds. My energy is excellent, I found a primal type weight lifting coach (and Jason has already helped me immeasurably), my digestion has cleared up (no longer buying stock in Pepcid!) and my skin is clear.
    Really looking forward to this new 21 day challenge to see what wonders it will bring. Oh, and I went on a 30 minute walk with my friend to start fulfilling my personal challenge! Feels great!

  52. Guys, I’ve only been primal for about 3 months. Iim a scientist, a biochemist actually and loved the real science backing this approach. It’s now so obvious to me, I can’t believe I didn’t bite years earlier. So let me say that scientifically, this approach has got so much merit that I can’t believe the greater nutritional community hasn’t responded. From a n=1 experiment, I have lost 28 pounds (I was only a little overweight) and more importantly eliminated every autoimmune issue I ever had, gone completely off meds, and so many people now comment on how ‘well’ I look. My success has inspired my family to adopt this approach and they have already lost 25 pounds each, eliminated GERD, sleep apnea etc. it sounds like a contradictory thing to say given my background, but have ‘faith’ that when you fuel and nurture your body correctly, it knows what to do. Don’t count calories, don’t obsess over meals, make the right choices, enjoy and savour, and have faith in your amazing body. Its been protecting you from the insults of the last ten years the best it can and if you treat it well, It KNOWS what to do

  53. My baseline was a few years agod when I was 125kg. On a (currently) 24 year old 5’4″ female it’s not such a good idea. Over the last few years I have lost 20kg, but it’s been a massive struggle.
    I have always thought I was “relatively” healthy, but doing the primal essential movements yesterday has shown me how far I really have to go.
    But that’s okay, you know? It WILL happen.

  54. I too start every day at zero; however, as many others have said today’s zero is far from that from a year ago. It is almost one year since I started a paleo lifestyle and just last week found out that I am hypothyroid. Tomorrow’s new zero incorporates a 100% gluten/dairy free diet (no cheats), along with the paleo autoimmune protocol. Wish me luck.

    1. I can empathize, Nicole–have been heading toward paleo for a couple of years, but got the Hashimoto’s autoimmune hypothyroid diagnosis this summer. It’s tough to follow the autoimmune protocol, when the forbidden veggies are exactly the ones that are in season, fresh and locally grown (and dominating the CSA week after week), not to mention the dairy. Gluten-free has not been as hard, for some reason (and I lost 10 lbs in the bargain).

      Good luck to you and me both!

      1. …and losing eggs has been super hard. Between eggs and nightshades, that takes out half the paleo/primal recipes. Even in her lovely new book “Practical Paleo” Diane Sanfilippo was unable to leave eggs and nightshades out of her autoimmune recipes and meal plans.

        So yeah, extra good luck to us autoimmune types moving past our daily zero!

        1. Some of us react to eggs badly. I’ve found that eggbeaters (as NON-primal as they are) are OK – egg whites are OK… but eggs don’t work for me. (ugh).

          And YEA, I miss them too.

        2. …and nuts, another hard food group to lose per the autoimmune protocol.

          I personally have never noticed a reaction to any of the blacklisted foods, but with autoimmune disease I figure I have to dot all the i’s, cross the t’s, and try everything that has been found to help by others.

          My parents have been diagnosed with autoimmune diseases in their 80s, and it seems clear to me that it started long before and has hurt their middle and older age lives. I do not want to go down that road.

  55. I’m not starting from rock bottom either… I’ve definitely been worse, and thanks to following the PB for the past 2 months, I’m also the lightest I’ve been in about 4 years (for all that it’s still a weight I NEVER thought I’d see when I was young and slim). I hit rock bottom about 3 years ago, after working in a roadhouse for a year, living in a small town, and feeling really depressed and isolated (and of course, eating all that roadhouse food). I’m not sure what my highest weight was (I avoided scales) but I’d say it was close to 15kg above where I am now (I was in the obese category)… I was unfit and miserable. So really, even though I’m quite a long way from my best, I’m not at my worst either (I have another 15kg to lose to get to my goal weight).

    1. isolation feelings… ugh. I hope you found people to let it loose with! afterall… we are pack animals 🙂 I’m glad to hear about your successes! Amazing!!!

  56. Welcome to the rest of your life, DayZero-ers! Your journey starts with this first step.

    My advice to you is to clean out your fridge and pantry, donate the food to the hungry, and RE-STOCK with only primal options. Easiest way to stay on track.

    Prepare to see dramatic changes over the next few months. My favorite of all is that I no longer feel bloated after eating. Never realized that all the “healthy” grains I was eating weren’t quite so friendly for my gut.

    Best of luck, we’re all here for y’all

    1. I couldn’t agree more. Be sure to have only healthy foods in the fridge and cupboards. Eat primal and enjoy. You will begin to feel so much better! And that’s just for starters…

      All the best.

  57. I started going primal after my football career ended this past May, since then I lost 39lbs of body fat and totally reshaped my body. The past month I experienced some health issues, vertigo, and was unable to work out and my total progress stopped. I felt angry that I couldn’t work out and began eating SAD again. Within a month I gained 21 pounds of weight. That brings me to where I am today, I’ve needed to refocus but I was unable to find the drive and motivation i needed to be disciplined. I am hoping to find motivation with this challenge. I am trying to recommit to myself, my health and my future.

  58. losing 2 inches around my belly is what my challenge is all about. I believe I finally have it down now. Wish me luck.

  59. I am having a love affair with this site Mark. I have a BS/MS in Holistic Nutrition and I’ve been a CPT for about 5 yrs… the basic premise of my degrees is your body can heal ANYTHING when it’s provided whole foods, pure water, sunlight, rest and exercise. I’ve seen it in my own life and countless others. I love that it’s just a blueprint… not a do this for 2 weeks then do this…then 4 weeks later you do this. You address the WHOLE person!!! Diets and exercise plans only address one aspect… or maybe 2-3. I love the wealth of knowledge on here from proper joint mobility to play to leptin. THANK YOU for actually coming up with something real. I hope you read this amongst your 100’s of emails and comments and real life 🙂

    My reason for doing the challenge is… baby #4 has been a totally different experience for me. By 6 months Ive reached my normal weight and clothing size with all my others but #4… 10 mo out and Ive got about 15lbs left. I’ve just about gone bezerk with trying to figure out what I’ve done wrong this time and it’s time to just get back to basics and allow it to come instead of fighting for it. 21 days = 3lbs of BF. If not… well. I’ll keep keeping on… Adjust sleep…or play…or calorie make ups…

    1. Hi there – where did you do your Holistic Nutrition education? I have recently been looking into pursuing this (I’m in Canada), but it seems to be a rather new field and I’m not sure what schools are good??

      And I hear ya on baby weight, I’m still working on weight from #2, just in time to start working on #3!

  60. Yeah, me! I finished my first day completely primal! I started PB a year ago and lost 70 lbs. In June I was hurt and my fitness level dropped. I’ve gained back 10 lbs due to pain and the heat this summer. I’m using this challenge to lose that 10 lbs and regain my fitness level, poor though it was. I just started a new hobby of finding wild edible plants. I find I walk further every day in my searches. The bending, stretching and rough footing is helping the back pain too.

  61. Thanks to all, just what I needed right now , mentally and physically . 21

  62. I didn’t start from rock bottom – not weight-wise anyway. Mentally, now that is another story. My sister is my support. I’ve lost count of how many times she has defended me against those who don’t accept my lifestyle.

  63. I am just over the hurdle of a month of Primal eating. After 32 days, I had my lipid panel re-done. I am proud to say that over the course of one month, my triglycerides have dropped from 311 to 184! I have not lost any weight eating primally and still need to get my LDL down, but I consider the drastic change in my triclycerides a VICTORY!

    1. Also, my rock bottom was in April of this year when I severely injured my back. I couldn’t walk for a few months and couldn’t take care of myself. Now, I’m walking 5 miles at a time and lifting heavy things. Grok on!

  64. You can lead a horse to water…

    The best way to get started for me was to just read “the primal blueprint” book – a few hours of time when on the bus or train.

    What amazes me is that when people ask what sort of diet/exercise I have, I direct them to buy the book – some do, and never bother reading it, or complain they don’t have time to read it – I don’t get it.

    The book explains everything you’ll need to know – you can ditch your fitness instructors and take control of your own destiny – but some people just can’t accept that you can achieve your goals without paying huge dollars to a personal instructor, and surely you need a balanced diet which has heaps of wholegrain – read the book ?

  65. I started primal 2 years ago at age 50. I’m still amazed at how far I have come. And still a long way to go. Anytime is a good time to start tho!

  66. Not zero, but close to it. I’ve set a short term goal (the 21day challenge), a mid term goal (look better in holiday pictures)’ and a long range goal (bikini by this summer).

    At this point, I’m just taking it one day, one meal at a time

  67. For me, the biggest challenge is (and always has been) lack of community. I’m working on that through meetup groups, etc., but I would say when you’re starting out, hit the forums for reassurance. Also, hit the forums to find other Primal-minded people in your area, and get together with them. Being a part of a community makes it so much easier.

  68. Not exactly starting from zero… I’ve eaten mostly-Primal for some time now, partly by necessity. But I’m starting from my highest weight in years and my lowest level of fitness. 😐 My partner doesn’t eat grains etc. either, so I think that support will be great when it comes to putting more effort in.

  69. I have been down near rock bottom, having suffered with depression and some (relatively minor) health issues for a number of years, but just recently I have started to realise that if I am alive there is hope, and that I have to make small changes often, in order to achieve my long term goals.

    I have recently started to have some fairly big problems with the skin on my face (severe perioral dermatitis), but rather than feel down about how it looks and how sore it is, I am taking it as being a sign of what is going on inside my body, and using it as a tool to motivate myself to adhere to a more primal way of life.

  70. Love this. Really wanted to start my Primal Journal but still don’t have the ability to do so. I am still being told I can’t post. How do I get this privilage? I was so excited about my first day!

  71. “Numbers don’t tell your story.”

    I like that. Just yesterday, I took a quiz about my health in order to secure lower rates from my health insurance company. At the end of the quiz, I was given my results–I’m “high-risk” because I don’t do 30 minutes of cardio every other day (never mind that I’m on my feet all day at work and I walk miles and miles up hill and down when I hike), and I’m “high-risk” because I don’t know what my fasting blood sugar levels are. I was irritated because, firstly, what a way to judge my health! But also, what a way to motivate people (NOT). Focusing on the positive, and all the ways in which I am already strong, and all the good things I already do… that motivates me to do better.

  72. Haha I discovered something pretty cool today ;). I haven’t really discussed the PB much with my husband (he lives 1.5 hours away from me and I only see him every other weekend). He had seen me read the books, and knew the way I was eating though (basically… I pretty much said I no longer eat grains and sugar). Anyway, today I had to go and see him, and lo and behold, I go use his computer and one of his tabs is open to MDA!! Obviously something’s sinking in ;). He also said that for the last few days he’s been eating steak sandwiches for lunch, without the bread component :D.

    And this is a guy who I used to argue with constantly about weight loss, and how 80% of your weight is down to your eating habits and not your exercise (he was convinced that if you’re overweight all you need to do is exercise more…), so I think things may slowly be sinking in!

  73. Starting from 0.5 maybe….Done well with weight But i want to move now and play .. eventhough i walk a lot everyday with my dogs i guess i feel the need to speed up the rythm a little since i have regained the energy. Will try following the weekly plan …this is where i would need a bit of support, i must ask a friend to join me!

  74. I am going to do this!21 days…how hard can it be:) I had a babygirl 8 weeks ago, and while my eating in general is ok I am such a sugarjunkie! Can not help my self, and I eat some dark chocolate every day:( In the weekends I completely fall of the wagon andd will eat pretty much every sweet I can get my hand on. I promise myself every weekend that I won’t but my craving is always stronger than my mind. I am also going to try to get more sleep, and exersice. Both can be quite a challenge with a newborn baby hanging in my boobs practically the whole day:) Wish me luck!! And good luck to each and every one of you who are also doing the challenge!

  75. Starting about 7 years ago, when I was 39 years old I knew that I was on the road to a knee replacement. Those of you that have known me for most of my life know that for most of that time I was dealing with one injury or another, and it finally caught up with me. My weight was at an all time high at 242lbs and I knew that once that knee got replaced, that extra weight was going to put a lot of strain on the new knee. I read the book “Good Calories, Bad Calories” by Gary Taubes and was convinced. I changed WHAT I ate, stopped worrying about calories and started avoiding those foods that humans never evolved to eat: grains, manufactured “foods”, etc., and dropped 50 pounds. The I came across the web site Mark’s Daily Apple and got more active and actually got to the point where I was riding a bicycle to work 3 days a week at about 28 miles round trip! All was great until an aortic dissection nearly killed me earlier this year. I’ve lost so much muscle mass and health that it’s hard to get motivated to get moving again. Now I feel like I’m starting from zero.

    This article inspired me. I have some personal goals set for next year, including being able to ride my bike to work again, but it’s going to be a long haul.

    Like all journeys, it starts with the first step…

  76. Just though I would chip in and maybe help people stay motivated.

    As an NLP Master Prac I have helped lot withmotivation and sticking to goals, myself included.

    The best advice I can give is to see your self doing all the things you want to achieve, even all the little steps that get you there. By this I mean make a video in your mind where you see your self eating primal, going for walks, sprinting, lifting weights, laying in the sun, drawing, sleeping well etc. When you make your mental video add in sound and realy connect with the feelings og achievement and remember if you have a blip, just see yourself getting back to it straight away. Think in terms of process goals. The declaration we have all made for the 21 Day challenge represents out outcome goals, eg loose weight, play more, stop eating grains etc. But the process goals represent the “How” we need to get to where we want.

    Remember 1 wrong meal does not undo 20 correct/primal meal.

    Stick to it it is worth it. Since Christmas I am 25lbs lighter and my immune system is the best at has ever been by eating primal.

    All the best, each step forward is a step closer to sucsess.

  77. Beware if the (little devil on someone’s shoulder)! I have been eating Primal for a few month’s and there’s this guy that comes into the health food store that I work at, he is friends with the owners and we see him often. Over the 2 years I have worked there he often brings in cookies and sandwiches, soups and such from the deli’s he frequents. I very rarely eat what he brings in as they are laden with bad fats and sugars. He is a high pressure salesman none the less and tries to make it personal. Monday he brought in deli sandwiches and kept accusing me (in a passive aggressive joking manner) that I was no longer his friend because I wouldn’t eat a half of sandwich. I have to say I don’t get people that push food. I really don’t have a problem saying no, but I know these types of people pop up whenever you try to improve your life in any way!

    Thanks to this board for all the people that encourage one another to keep on the right track, we see the results in our health. BTW this mans wife and daughters are very overweight, I guess he provides the food, hey?

  78. What really finally brought me on board to this lifestyle was to keep myself accountable; and I accomplished this in two distinct ways. First, my partner and I started keeping a weekly calendar of meals and what we were cooking and eating for each day. Removing any ambiguity allowed us to be successful in our dietary needs. Second, we started a blog. It was not really meant for public consumption on the outset, but rather as a way to keep ourselves honest about how and what we were eating–and to challenge us to still have delicious and fun foods. Now we keep it up, enjoy a small readership, and reap the benefit of being that much more involved in the community. Best of luck to everyone, regardless of where they are in this journey!

  79. Brent, I really like that calendar idea – it reminds me of when I was in grade school and I would look at the lunch menu, except is all foods I like 🙂 I’m going to try that. I bet it’ll get me thinking about different foods, too – I’m kinda in a food rut – and get me to be more creative and less inclined to pick foods that are not primal when I get bored, because I’ll have an interesting array of stuff! Thanks!

  80. My son started primal. Then my daughter. Since I lived with my daughter for a while after she had her baby, I had no choice but go primal. I am glad I did.I have lost about 20#. Now down 2 pant sizes. Has been difficult since coming home. My husband is not fully on board. Hardest part for me is getting the liquids and protein I need. One day at a time. Even cheat days don’t go too far off. Had some delicious buns the other night and paid for it in bloating not feeling well. I have a sensitivety to wheat. Arthritis flares. Love reaching all your comments. Thanks

  81. I have been eating Primal since July 2012. I went from 186 to 172 in about three weeks. I have been real good about eating primal. I noticed my stomach still bothers me from time to time so I eliminated most nightshades (its hard to deny lycopene filled tomatoes) and stick to mostly low fodmaps. although onions and garlic are prebiotic so i allow those as well. Im trying homemade beef liver pate and bone marrow broth as well as coconut milk kefir this week. We can do this! We will all be laughing when were 122 and still alive and well and on this site spreading the good word!

  82. Oh yeah, definitely starting from zero, but with just following my food restrictions (intolerant of gluten, eggs, all cow’s milk products) 80% of the time, I’ve already lost 10 lbs – WITHOUT EXERCISE! My goal is to have plenty of energy to burn, drop another 10-15 lbs, and finally finally get off my thyroid meds 😛 One day at a time is my focus so I don’t get overwhelmed, and even if I only manage 80%, that’s still 80% better than I was doing before 😉

  83. My rock bottom was June 2011, 185 lbs on a 5ft5 frame and menopause breathing down my neck. I had tried to follow CW doctor endorsed “healthy” eating for years. Weight loss was always minimal and painful. My stepson found MDA first and had amazing results, I was intrigued but unconvinced. Until I started to read the success stories and combed through the forums and comments from the community. You, the community, is what convinced me to make this journey. This is the most supportive group of people I’ve ever run across in the blogosphere. I’ve lost weight, lost health issues and gained strength, stamina and a playful attitude. This community fueled by Mark has added years to my life and allowed me to make it so much more enjoyable. Thank you MDA community, you are my heroes. Grok on!

  84. Like what Rachael said about finding joy and liking oneself no matter what. I’ve just started on the eating primal – don’t need to lose much but need lots of energy. Today I’m having the carb flu but will push through.

    I run every other day and I like doing it so will add some wind sprints and start to carry heavier things more often. I believe I will start playing on the equipment at children’s playgrounds as no one else seem to be using it.

    I’m 68 and it is never to late to change and feel better. I’m starting to notice some good difference.

    Cheers

  85. Yeah it’s all about the big picture “Develop Big Picture Perspective” I go to the gym to look my best and feel my best. Cause i do that i sleep better, i feel like i have the energy of an animal , and i feel like I’m more of an outgoing person.