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19 May

Weekend Link Love – Edition 243

weekend link loveResearch of the Week

When given a diet based on farmed salmon, lab mice got fatty liver and developed insulin resistance if the salmon was raised on soybean oil.

Eating Splenda (sucralose) has a negative impact on a person’s glucose tolerance in response to subsequent sugar ingestion.

Interesting Blog Posts

Should vegans and paleos stop bickering and join forces?

Media, Schmedia

Dr. Hamilton Stapell, the professor responsible for putting together the 2013 Ancestral Health Survey, discusses the future of paleo in a recent Paleo Magazine podcast.

Well-known (former) vegan Alex Jamieson recently started eating meat again after 12 years without, and she’s only had a few death threats. Watch this video of her explaining her decision.

Everything Else

When you examine their brains and circadian rhythms, people suffering from depression look like they’re living in a different time zone.

There’s no real benefit – and some apparent actual harm – in sharply cutting one’s salt intake, according to “them.” I fully expect this tentative position of “theirs” to be reversed in a year’s time. Until (and after) then, I’ll keep salting my food to taste.

Looks like Skechers is gonna pay up to $40 million for false claims regarding its ridiculous Shape-up shoes.

Last week, I spoke to Tech Cocktail about a number of topics, including entrepreneurism, Primal living, and alcohol.

Recipe Corner

  • If you could eat a North African sunrise, this is what it might taste like: shakshukah.
  • If you make paleo horchata, don’t get sneaky and try to substitute cauliflower rice. Coconut works far better.

Time Capsule

One year ago (May 19 – May 25)

Comment of the Week

Moms cleaning pacifiers: Mom spit is the best thing in the universe, the universal solvent. It cleans your cheek, provides lifetime immunity. What can’t it do? Happy Mothers Day to our mothers and all our ancestors!

- Amen to that.

You want comments? We got comments:

Imagine you’re George Clooney. Take a moment to admire your grooming and wit. Okay, now imagine someone walks up to you and asks, “What’s your name?” You say, “I’m George Clooney.” Or maybe you say, “I’m the Clooninator!” You don’t say “I’m George of George Clooney Sells Movies Blog” and you certainly don’t say, “I’m Clooney Weight Loss Plan”. So while spam is technically meat, it ain’t anywhere near Primal. Please nickname yourself something your friends would call you.

  1. The Paleo Vs. Vegan article was interesting, but they got it pretty wrong about the milk part. For people without milk sensitivities, Raw milk and it’s other products are super foods as per Weston Price.

    Nocona wrote on May 19th, 2013
  2. Anyone marching against Monsanto?

    Steffo wrote on May 19th, 2013
    • Yup! But with a black mask on.

      Nocona wrote on May 19th, 2013
  3. What’s your take on the improved glucose tolerance when fish oil is replaced with rapeseed oil (Canola) in the farmed fish / mouse study.

    Regardless, farmed fish is a bad idea no matter what they’re fed.

    Cheers

    Chuck Currie wrote on May 19th, 2013
  4. Important note from the link about sucralose:

    “CONCLUSIONS These data demonstrate that sucralose affects the glycemic and insulin responses to an oral glucose load in *OBESE* people who do not normally consume NNS.”

    Taylor wrote on May 19th, 2013
  5. Regarding salt intake: I’m reading “The Art and Science of Low Carbohydrate Living,” by Jeff S. Volek, PhD, RD, and Stephen D. Phinney, MD, PhD. They say that when a person goes on a very low carbohydrate diet, 50 grams or less per day, they need to make sure they have enough salt in their diet.

    “High carbohydrate diets make the kidneys retain salt, whereas a low carbohydrate intake increases sodium excretion by the kidney.” (pg. 20)

    D. M. Mitchell wrote on May 19th, 2013
  6. The blog by Matt Frazier is great. Unfortunately, the death wishes (and threats) to Alex Jamieson remind me that many (most) vegans are fanatics who have no interest in rational conversation. In contrast, Mark has made lots of friendly, reasonable posts about vegetarianism.

    If vegans were rational, they would understand that raising a grass fed cow is infinitely more humane than even organic commercial farming of plant products.

    Harry Mossman wrote on May 19th, 2013
    • I would say “some vegans”. The fanatics are just more vocal, especially on the web.

      It is ironic that health oriented vegan eat organic food. Without chemical fertilizer, an organic farm always has animals for soil fertility.

      Victor Venema wrote on May 19th, 2013
      • Not quite true, Victor. The best case for organic farming includes animals, but it’s not compulsory. Compost will do almost as good a job.

        Sharyn wrote on May 19th, 2013
        • almost, but not really. healthy soil is an ecosystem, its relies on so many factors, and healthy soil is so beneficial not only for growing veggies, which ideally would grow plentiful animals that feed us and renew their own ecosystem, but soil health is related to climate, co2 sequestering, etc.. I work on organic veggie farms every summer, and it almost kills me how hard I work and that I would rather be restoring wild lands that could much more easily and beneficially supply a plethora of wild animals and some forage.

          jessica wrote on May 20th, 2013
    • Your stereotype viewpoint is sad. Your viewpoint is rational but others are not. Got it.

      George wrote on May 19th, 2013
      • Hmmm. I said “many” not all. “Most” in parentheses but probably “many.” In the forums, when someone asks about vegetarianism or veganism, I always mention Mark’s tolerant viewpoint. I personally think it is impossible to have long term health as a vegan, but certainly one can be a Primal vegetarian, like Mark’s son.

        Harry Mossman wrote on May 19th, 2013
    • It’s THEIR way or the highway, and I’ll take the highway for $200, Alex. They don’t even realize that they’re in direct competition with animals for forage.

      Wenchypoo wrote on May 20th, 2013
  7. Yes, cauliflower will not work at all, lol. Thanks for sharing my recipe :) It’s one of our favorite things to drink around here.

    Kelly wrote on May 19th, 2013
  8. I had expected this story in this weeks Weekend Link Lover on Wired.

    “Briefly: The US Food and Drug Administration has decided to bring the semi-outlaw — but very safe and very effective — procedure called “fecal transplant” under its auspices, ruling that to perform it, physicians must have applied for an “investigational new drug application,” or IND. This requires a lot of advance paperwork, 30 days of consideration, and does not return not a guaranteed yes. For the transplants, which have been performed informally but carefully by a growing number of physicians as a treatment (and often cure) for devastating C. difficile infection, it may improve safety, but it can’t help but impose obstacles and delay.”

    Victor Venema wrote on May 19th, 2013
    • Thanks for sharing this link. I also expected the huge and amazingly amazing article in the NYT magazine about the microbiome by Michael Pollan. No matter how you feel about his particular brand of omnivorism (and grains), there’s no arguing that what we put into our guts affects our immune system. And that it’s time to rethink what we mean by “immune system,” as well.
      Best read I’ve had in a long time, that.

      Gydle wrote on May 21st, 2013
  9. I have been waiting for a shakshuka rescipe to show up here! Glad this crazy yum dish is getting the spotlight.

    Katie wrote on May 19th, 2013
    • We have been talking about this for weeks since a friend posted a photo on Facebook. Why? Because it’s really fun to say “Shakshuka”! But now I think we are going to have to make it.

      Juli wrote on May 20th, 2013
      • I love shakshuka! It’s very popular breakfast food here in Israel. It’s also traditionally made with spicy sausage instead of the feta cheese in that recipe… even more paleo. :) You can also make it with just eggs and the spicy tomato sauce. Here’s a simpler recipe for comparison (though I agree with the addition of some carraway, as per the recipe at the link here): http://www.myjewishlearning.com/culture/2/Food/Ashkenazic_Cuisine/Israel/Shakshuka.shtml It’s great with a side of Israeli salad (also a traditional breakfast food here!)

        Maya wrote on May 20th, 2013
  10. The Paleo versus Vegan article was of particular interest to me. I try to follow a Paleo diet except I’m a vegetarian (NOT vegan). I eat a lot of free range eggs and drink whey protein shakes and get some brown rice protein from a couple of sources. Otherwise, I eat like you guys. I’m 5’8″ tall and 149 pounds, play racquet sports, lift weights, walk, do HIIT, do functional fitness training. I’m in darn good shape. I also started the Leangains eating schedule. I get irritated at the “vegetarians are soft weenies” posts I see on here sometimes. You guys get irritated with the “you are flesh eating killers” admonitions from the fringe vegan types. Let’s focus on our common ground, turning around the obesity epidemic in the industrialized nations and the hunger in the third world nations, and treat each other with respect. Mark is one of my primary sources of intelligent, holistic health information, he is a very gifted individual IMO.

    George wrote on May 19th, 2013
    • +1 Whenever I see “vegetarians are soft weenies” posts, I vigorously point out Mark’s reasonable attitude toward vegetarianism.

      Harry Mossman wrote on May 19th, 2013
    • I’ll grant you the overlap in concerns between vegans and Paleos. That’s great.

      But…there’s no escaping the Grand Canyon between the two points of view. It’s just wishful thinking to ignore it. It’s like pointing out there are the same kind of trees on both sides of the Grand Canyon and can’t we build a bridge across this mind boggling huge hole in the ground? (Don’t forget to sing kumba ya.)

      I deeply respect the right of people to make diet choices for themselves and their children. To do other wise is to wander into totalitarianism.

      But…the vegetarian community lied to me. Protein is important. It does matter how I get my vitamins. Plant based foods are *not* the height of human nutrition. They are not more “moral” or better for the environment. For the sake of those lies, I gain weight, nearly lost the chance to birth my daughter in the setting of my choosing, and nearly lost my mind. (No kidding.)

      And I’m not going to gloss over lies for the sake of the vegans/vegetarians feeling better about themselves or a false sense of community.

      If you’re ripped because you rely most on the protein in eggs, trust me, that’s not what most of the vegetarian (let alone vegan) community is pitching as the ideal diet.

      I have friends that are vegans and vegetarians. They are good people. And we don’t argue about their diet. But I’ve never felt the need to compromise who I am for that friendship. It’s not worth it :(

      Amy wrote on May 19th, 2013
      • I eat a paleo diet that includes animal protein because it works best for me. I’m healthier, happier, more energetic, and I just plain feel better. It doesn’t thrill me that animals have to die so I can eat meat, but I don’t stress out over it either. As is frequently the case with politics and religion, I never discuss food or eating habits with my vegetarian and vegan friends. They do their thing and I do mine.

        Shary wrote on May 19th, 2013
      • Phew! Where to start? I’m not a psychologist but you obviously have some deep seated resentments based on a misguided approach to vegetarianism. You were “lied” to??? It’s important that you take control of your own health and research topics in depth. Not an expert on the vegan approach, but you can get PLENTY of quality protein and be a vegetarian and be as healthy as healthy can be. I don’t understand what it is you are “compromising” if you were to be friends with a vegetarian?

        George wrote on May 19th, 2013
        • Vegetarians usually offer themselves up as eating the healthiest, most “progressive” diet (ie smartest) on the planet. It’s right for everyone!! The only way vegetarianism is that, of course, is if you ignore almost everything we know about our bio-chemistry and anthropology. Lacto-vegetarianism can be done reasonably healthy, but it’s certainly not optimal. And the original “vegetarians” (Indians) eat a fair amount of insects.

          So, I deeply resent it because I *was* lied to. I argued over basic nutrition facts with my sweet grandmother in law. Guess who was right?? I thought I was some kind of superior moral and intellectual being. I was so wrong.

          So yeah, I have a chip on my shoulder. I’m working on it. It’s probably no more or less unhealthy than eating a severely restricted vegetarian diet and hanging out on Paleo blog there ready to defend it on most posts. I don’t hang out on vegan blogs, looking for health ideas or trying to convince people what a reasonable, healthful diet Paleo is.*shrug*

          The compromise I spoke of was too strong of wording last night. Sorry about htat (Ah, the wonder of Internet posting .) :)

          My main issue is that even though that vegans/vegetarians and Paleos may share the same concerns, their answers to them are night and day different. It’s just wishful thinking to pretend there’s really common ground. That is not to say that there can’t be common ground on the all sorts of other issues.

          But there’s no compromise when it comes to meal times, especially with vegan and Paleo. Either you eat animal foods or you don’t. As it is, there are very few meals I could share with vegetarian. Even though I don’t push meat,I won’t go hungry in front a vegetarian anymore because they get swicked out by meat, or think it’s wrong or whatever. It’s their hang-up, not mine. I eat as a human eats and I’m proud of that.

          Anyway, you’re welcome to think I’m a disturbed person. You’re probably right. But perhaps it’s no more or less than the “average” poster. :)

          Amy wrote on May 20th, 2013
  11. So, this is off topic, but I was visiting my Chinese/Viet family and thinking about the Asian paradox Mark wrote about a while ago.

    My grandma lives in an Asian neighborhood and haven’t really integrated with American culture in either language or diet. She’s in her late 80s, hasn’t seen a doctor since the 1970′s, and is still going strong. A lot of her diet is carbs (pretty much all from white rice) but she also eats a lot of primal food, like organ meat and tons of vegetables, cooked in lard. She never eats sweets except for fruit and walks two or three miles a day around the city.

    On the other hand, my aunt’s family eats an American diet and the poor kids have turned out really unhealthy. I don’t know if diet is the sole reason, but they seem to get sick every other month, are overweight, and have lots of acne :(

    Heda wrote on May 19th, 2013
    • that is fascinating – and something I was really wondering about lately. Live in a city with a large Asian community and have friends of various age w/i the community. And when I watch how doggedly, devotedly they march around the neighborhood getting a nice walk in, I LOVE it! They take their newborns w/ them and stop to consider the plants along the way and I even catch the middle aged ladies doing ‘energy awakening’ slaps on themselves on their walks.

      Makes me feel less guilt when I enjoy some rice…

      jess wrote on May 20th, 2013
  12. The shakshukah recipe is amazing, and if you’ve been primal/paleo for awhile you probably have all of the ingredients in your pantry. So cool to have a recipe like that pop up and be eating it half an hour later!

    Siobhan wrote on May 19th, 2013
  13. I read somewhere that every culture on Earth throughout history, with a few rare exceptions, has consumed vastly more salt than the human body has been determined to require. Leading one to think that perhaps there are things about salt we still do not understand.

    Diane wrote on May 19th, 2013
  14. Salt – yum!

    Vanessa wrote on May 19th, 2013
  15. I agree with Nickoley’s take on the paleo/vegan thing: they have nothing to offer us.

    The whole “them,” “us,” “join forces” thing is altogether ridiculous, as well, IMHO. Eat whatever you want. I’m confident in my way of eating and I’m going to keep doing it.

    Graham wrote on May 19th, 2013
  16. I tried to be go vegetarian repeatedly for years, and made myself sick every single time. I stuck to it once for a month, thinking my body would accustom itself to it. I ended up nearly dysfunctional. I had no such problems with PB, beyond some tiredness and mental fuzziness at the beginniin. They can keep their diet, as far as I’m concerned. I’m not interested anymore.

    Idl wrote on May 19th, 2013
    • I’ve been vegetarian since I was born and haven’t had any significant health issues. I rarely get sick more than once a year. I have good body comp as a woman ( 5’0”, 95 lbs, 25% fat) and I can hike, run, and lift. So I wonder if I should still try eating meat, or will it just be trying to fix something that ain’t broke.

      Heda wrote on May 19th, 2013
      • I think my experience was unusual, therefore, I don’t want to generalize to other people. I suppose if I were you, I would try to go primal for a month or two and see what kind of results I got. If I didn’t like it, I could go back to full vegetarian and no harm done.

        A holistic doctor I used to go to said I was allergic to carbs. My experience seems to bear that out, but I’ve never had any tests done.

        Idl wrote on May 20th, 2013
      • If you are 5ft and under 100lbs, I have a hard time thinking you are over 20% BF. You may be selling yourself short :)

        WC wrote on May 20th, 2013
    • Truth be known, I would probably like to be a vegetarian for a number of reasons, not the least of which is that it would be cheaper. It just doesn’t work for me. I once tried it for several weeks, mistakenly thinking it would be a healthier way for me to eat, and I, too, began to develop health issues.

      I’ve since learned that I’m a strong protein nutritional type (yes, there is such a thing as nutritional types). I feel and function much better on a diet that includes at least some meat protein in addition to eggs, nuts, plentiful vegetables and a little fruit. People should eat what works best for them and not worry about what others eat.

      Shary wrote on May 20th, 2013
  17. It’s crazy that you get death threats when you try to leave the mafia, street gangs, or stop being a vegan.

    John wrote on May 20th, 2013
    • To be fair, she was probably getting death threats when she was a vegan as well. Lots of people are crazy, and being famous and controversial makes you the target of that crazy.

      Charles wrote on May 20th, 2013
  18. I have tried eating Paleo, an all vegan diet, vegetarian, and honesty, nothing beats a balanced diet. All three diets have certain strong points. If we can learn to put our differences aside and focus on what each group is doing right, maybe we can help those trying to make the difficult big step to eating healthier and starting an exercise routine a little easier.

    Stephan Stansfield wrote on May 20th, 2013
    • “nothing beats a balanced diet.”

      What is a balanced diet? I hear/read this buzz phrase constantly, but what does that mean? 33.3 percent fat, 33.3 percent protein and 33.3 percent carbohydrates? Balanced by whose definition? So what is balanced for one applies to all? My diet is “balanced” the following way: ~ 62 percent fat, ~23 percent protein and ~ 15 percent carbohydrates. Green vegetables, meat, eggs, quinoa, etc. Is that “balanced”?

      Richie wrote on May 20th, 2013
      • +1

        I heard this phrase for YEARS and it never helped me, because I was going off the conventional SAD diet: whole grains, lean protein, NO fat, etc. I struggled with my weight through college athletics because my coach wanted me to lose weight (and I wanted to too, I realized it would make me a far better athlete), but I couldn’t reconcile a calorie deficit with 2-3 intense daily workouts, on top of being able to function for classes and homework.

        Defining the “balanced diet” is vital–you can’t just throw it out there and expect everyone to have the same thing in mind. Nine times out of ten you’ll get 9 different definitions. Having said that, I’ve never been healthier following the primal way of living, and have felt the best when I’m consuming around 100 g of carbs, all from veggies and fruit. I also think that this varies from person to person. Doesn’t mark always talk about how we are all different, and we have to decide what is right for ourselves? One of my best friends is a vegetarian, and she’s healthy as far as I can tell. She does what works for me, and I do what works for me. We certainly don’t squabble over it.

        Stacie wrote on May 20th, 2013
        • Whoops, she does what works for her.* haha :)

          Stacie wrote on May 20th, 2013
  19. I thought of something for vegans interested in eating ants.
    Three chia seeds = one small ant.
    Add a drop of lemon juice for a scared ant.

    Animanarchy wrote on June 19th, 2013

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