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2 Sep

Weekend Link Love – Edition 205

Research of the Week

Caloric restriction has been shown to increase longevity in worms, fruit flies, and certain strains of mice, but new research shows that this is not the case for rhesus monkeys. Here’s the link to the study.

Everyone’s always known that babies are incredibly nutritious, but they take too long to grow (plus, it’s illegal). A recent study shows that microgreens – young tender week-old baby greens from spinach, pea, beet, and purple mustard (just to name the specific greens in the study) – contain more vitamins and phytonutrients than their adult versions. Plus, they’re easy and quick to grow at home.

People who engaged in moderate aerobic exercise – walking and slow jogging (at a 10 or 11 minute mile pace) – lived longer than people who engaged in intense endurance exercise and people who engaged in none at all.

Interesting Blog Posts

Frank Forencich wrote a highly opinionated opinion piece about the sometimes bitterly opposed opinions we hold on health and nutrition. What do you think?

Nom Nom Paleo just finished a 5-part series on packing healthy lunches for kids that kids will actually eat. If you want your kids to hold a strong bartering chip (that’s not actually a chip) in the lunchtime economy, check out the series, starting with part 1.

Media, Schmedia

This is the beginning of the end: CrossFit got mentioned on TMZ.

Jimmy Moore reveals that his reader poll reveals that, for whatever reason, his readership considers me to be a pretty trustworthy source of information. Thanks, Jimmy and readers!

Everything Else

Our story in two minutes.

Recipe Corner

  • Since stone fruit season is winding down and I’m a sucker for a good nectarine, I’ve been incorporating them into my Big Ass Salads as of late. Here’s a good example.
  • A few years ago, I told you of the wonders of the mackerel. Here’s a nice way to cook it (plus, how to pickle jalapeño peppers).

Time Capsule

One year ago (September 2 – September 8)

Comment of the Week

Two of us, the two I think were most enthusiastic about climbing the tree up to a platform someone had built, discussed as we were climbing how we felt like the tree was helping us climb and that we felt connected to its spirit and through it, the living earth below. We ended up hugging the tree on the platform. Climbing down I did some *slightly* risky maneuvers that probably required a lot of energy but it felt practically effortless and very smooth like the tree was controlling me and all I had to do was go with its flow. And I was bare foot for all this, which added to the experience. It definitely made me feel more grounded.

– Now that’s how you cultivate intermittent euphoria, Animanarchy.

You want comments? We got comments:

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  1. So no eating babies, roger that. What about placenta? Does placenta fall under offal?

    Paleo Bon Rurgundy wrote on September 2nd, 2012
    • Well I watched an episode of Bizarre Foods America, and he(forgot the state he was in) went to this one self-sufficient farm and one of the guys cows was giving birth, and after the cow gave birth, with some help and all, the guy reached down with a knife and cut off some placenta and gave it to Andrew, he was so shocked but later said it tasted like a really good piece of tongue or liver.

      Peacemaker wrote on September 2nd, 2012
    • Placenta does fall under the category of offal. I have, however, made a personal discovery that sensitivity is called for when you follow an expectant mother around at the farmer’s market.

      Joy Beer wrote on September 2nd, 2012
    • I ate my baby’s placenta after I gave birth. Well, I had it dried and consumed it in capsule form. It really helps moderate “baby blues” :)

      Karen C. wrote on September 2nd, 2012
      • My baby’s placenta is in our deep freezer, and when we get low on food, I’ve often thought it was the most nutritious thing in there! (we are planning to plant it under a tree, but who knows, maybe i’ll try it. It’s supposed to be good for new moms.)

        kathy wrote on September 2nd, 2012
    • A nurse told me that some nurses rub the fresh placenta over their faces. It’s supposed to rejuvenate the skin.

      Martin_B wrote on September 4th, 2012
    • I imagine spleen would be good. Probably loaded with iron.

      Animanarchy wrote on September 25th, 2012
  2. So hard for me to be moderate with exercise! I used to TORTURE myself!

    Got to scale back, got to scale back, got to scale back……

    Bob Crason wrote on September 2nd, 2012
    • I used to torture myself too, then scaled back too much. Now I have to torture myself again or I plateau. I think the proper middle ground for exercise – what’s “moderate” – is semi-torturous, or very torturous intermittently.

      Animanarchy wrote on September 2nd, 2012
      • so we’ve had IF and IEuphoria, now look for a blogpost on ITorture

        Tom B-D wrote on September 3rd, 2012
  3. I feel bad for Kim’s backside. It’s not going to know what’s hit it.

    Kristina wrote on September 2nd, 2012
  4. Well of course calory restriction didn’t help rhesus monkeys. They die without a steady intake of peanut butter and chocolate.

    Alex Good wrote on September 2nd, 2012
    • heh heh +1

      mars wrote on September 2nd, 2012
  5. Maybe I’m mean but I like telling vegetarians that organic is murder because they grew in blood (meal). Then tell them to read The Vegetarian Myth. At least it might make them think.

    T-Mag wrote on September 2nd, 2012
    • maybe vegetarians think heavily about their food choices too. Maybe they have more science going for them as well. Maybe your friend will have you read this

      Michael wrote on September 3rd, 2012
    • I don’t think “it’s impossible to be a PURE vegetarian because …” is a good argument against vegetarianism. It seems kind of like the argument I keep hearing against Paleo, that “you’re not living EXACTLY like paleolithic man because …”

      I think vegetarianism is a bad health choice, and veganism is a worse one, but I get the moral reasoning behind them. I try to get meat and animal products that are from the “less-cruel” end of the animal treatment spectrum, and it’s not JUST because they’re healthier foods – it’s also because I don’t like the thought of animals suffering more just to save me $.75/lb off their flesh. And I can see how others put that line somewhere different.

      A lot of people complain about preachy vegetarians, and yeah, I’ve run into a couple, and yeah, they’re awful, just like preachy s are awful. But what I’ve run into a LOT more of is people who feel perfectly comfortable taunting vegetarians without provocation (and no, “a vegetarian was huffy with me once” doesn’t count as provocation for all time…).

      (And hey, at least we can ALL agree that raw-food vegans are whack-jobs, right?) :-)

      BobG wrote on September 4th, 2012
      • Ya, its bad on both ends. I know preachy vegans, vegetarians, paleo people, crossfitters, republicans, democrats, etc….

        Preachy anything is bad. I think paleo is a bad health choice. I think its awesome if it works for some people, but it didn’t work for me. Vegetarianisn works for some people but not for everyone. I think when people think that there is an ultimate answer beyond “real food” for what we should all eat, they find themselves in the wrong.

        Michael wrote on September 4th, 2012
  6. Thank God! I am such a slow runner, and now I know it is extending my life. I will feel less inept when out doing the 5K runs for charity…

    My great aunt and uncle practiced calorie restriction to the letter. She lived to be almost 107 and he lived to be over 100. They were also some of the original hippies, with yoga/country living/alternative medicine and a daily shot of Ouzo, so who knows what benefit it all had combined. Pretty sure my uncle smoked. They were amazing people. I miss their scrawny selves.

    Pam wrote on September 2nd, 2012
  7. Don’t forget Robb Wolf’s piece on farm to table and the legal defense fund.

    Groktimus Primal wrote on September 2nd, 2012
  8. Nice links Mark, on another note I was looking at this site where the company makes fake chicken that has the same texture as real chicken. Made with soy protein.

    What are your thoughts?

    Madhu wrote on September 2nd, 2012
  9. That study on CR is/was contradicted by a better designed study that was published in 2009. Here is the abstract.

    Caloric restriction (CR), without malnutrition, delays aging and extends life span in diverse species; however, its effect on resistance to illness and mortality in primates has not been clearly established. We report findings of a 20-year longitudinal adult-onset CR study in rhesus monkeys aimed at filling this critical gap in aging research. In a population of rhesus macaques maintained at the Wisconsin National Primate Research Center, moderate CR lowered the incidence of aging-related deaths. At the time point reported, 50% of control fed animals survived as compared with 80% of the CR animals. Furthermore, CR delayed the onset of age-associated pathologies. Specifically, CR reduced the incidence of diabetes, cancer, cardiovascular disease, and brain atrophy. These data demonstrate that CR slows aging in a primate species.

    link for those who have a subscription…

    The NIA study was not as well designed in that they limited the amount of food the control group could eat. I believe they also did not keep the types of primates consistent…whereas the Science study did both.

    Pierre wrote on September 2nd, 2012
  10. That two mintue video of the entire history of Earth is pretty much saying we are the worst species to walk this planet and may we end now. Now if you’ll excuse me I have a BOB bag to prepare, if we do fail to live this year, I’ll still have a fighting chance. How much would it cost if I bought like 8 packs of Steve’s Orginal Paleokits, maybe some grainless granola, and tons of dried fruit?

    Peacemaker wrote on September 2nd, 2012
    • I respectfully disagree. Did you see the image of Einstein? Martin Luther king jr? Of the transition to us becoming a human being? Or what about the video game images, CDs, cell phones?

      Or the fact that since 911 nothing terribly extreme has happened? No single event? Only now our health is going down the drain but this community is changing that.

      Primal Toad wrote on September 2nd, 2012
      • Heh, I guess I didn’t really look at the main perspective of the video and overshot it and overthought about it. Humanity has come up with marvelous things but with those marvelous things comes horrible things.

        Peacemaker wrote on September 2nd, 2012
      • I interpreted it as showing how far we’ve come from nothing and yet we’re still murdering each other on a massive scale and that’s got to stop. The Republicans and Democrats are both batting a thousand on the war front, so I suggest we look elsewhere for our future leaders…

        TokyoJay wrote on September 3rd, 2012
      • What planet do you live on that you can say nothing “terribly extreme has happened?” I just want to know so that I can get off there instead of taking the train all the way to la-la land.

        huntergirlhayden wrote on September 3rd, 2012
  11. ugh… so my normal 11-min mile is considered “slow jogging”? sigh. at least i’ll theoretically live longer than the people running past me lol

    mars wrote on September 2nd, 2012
    • I had to comment on this too… 11 minute mile is not a slow jog, it’s a vigorous jog, slow to moderate running pace…

      lsaur wrote on September 2nd, 2012
  12. That video about our story in 2 minutes is really kick ass. So much so that I just watched it 3 times and will be showing thousands.

    It’s just so cool, crazy, shocking and mesmorizing.

    Primal Toad wrote on September 2nd, 2012
  13. I read the baby-thing three times just to make sure i had it right lol.

    Also the history of the planet in 2 minutes was awesome, if a bit yankee-centric.

    Alexander wrote on September 2nd, 2012
    • Three times for me, too! Three times exactly–lol!

      Joy Beer wrote on September 2nd, 2012
  14. Also regarding the moral implications of the video i really dont think there are any. Human history is neither good nor bad. It simply is.

    Alexander wrote on September 2nd, 2012
  15. The pickled jalapeño recipe sounded like something I wanted to do — alas, only three photos and no recipe.

    Diane wrote on September 2nd, 2012
    • 1. Place pickles in jar
      2. Add salt, water, and a starter if you got it.
      3. Wait a week.

      Marisa wrote on September 2nd, 2012
      • Thanks!

        Diane wrote on September 2nd, 2012
    • Sorry, that should be, place jalepenos in a jar.

      Marisa wrote on September 2nd, 2012
  16. I do love urban hiking but it doesn’t give me the same peace hiking in the wilderness does. until my peace comes solely from within, i probably will continue to prefer hiking in the wilderness. >__<

    Gift Clumsywarrior wrote on September 2nd, 2012
  17. Frank Forencich has a general valid point when he says, basically, to chill, re the diet wars. But isn’t that the problem in any public venue these days? Especially the internet comment areas (like Yahoo comments, a sad combination of infantile, tribal, and anonymous), where you could blog “the sky is blue” and you would get 500 comments about what an a&&hole you are. We are all tribal (i.e., we all want to ‘affiliate’ with a group), and this is cool, but for some it becomes a license to attack all others.

    As for dissing vegetarians, what kind? A mild health-type who eats eggs and fish, or a militant vegan who physically attacks you? Bad to lump all these together. As it is, too many people are lumping paleo types together, as raw-meat-eating caveman emulators with bizarre philosophies and nasty attitudes.

    But that’s the way it is: 5% of the group gets 95% of the publicity, and it’s usually bad.

    BillP wrote on September 2nd, 2012
  18. The baby greens part of this post reminds me of something I found yesterday afternoon. Herbs in a forest to be specific. There were probably close to a hundred of them and most were budding. A small percentage of them were a bit farther along with some small but very nice crown buds. I did a lot of meticulous picking and now my crop is drying in the sun.
    Exploratory hikes are great.

    Animanarchy wrote on September 2nd, 2012
    • I just keep finding them and going back to the original crop. This area is like hillbilly heaven. I share a lot with other people staying in the same shelter and it helps them bond and get along well.

      Animanarchy wrote on September 25th, 2012
  19. Moderate exercise makes in my opinion perfect sense, since it was probably the way of our ancestors to make distance in gathering and hunting. Running fast and for longer distances in a way seems to be more connected to fleeing from dangers and thus provoking stress hormones. There may be a simple duality here – stress makes you run faster and running fast (without an apparent danger) produces higher levels of stress (hormones).

    Easy does it!

    Mike wrote on September 2nd, 2012
    • We’ll probably never know how often Grog ran long distances, if ever. (As far as I know, the earliest recorded marathon was that guy coming from the battle of Marathon :-))

      But running fast over long distances COULD have been a hugely valuable hunting strategy for early humans, in spite of the huge energy costs – there’s tons of animals that can beat a human in a sprint, but few if any that can outrun us over serious distance, especially in hot weather. (Even in very non-tropical Wales, for instance, a human runner has beaten a racehorse on a 22-mile course:

      Since I don’t need to run down a fleeing antelope, I’ll pass on the marathon training :-)

      BobG wrote on September 4th, 2012
  20. Since my vegetables from seed have typically lived short, desolate little lives, I guess can just eat them up as they start to die and feel good about it now.

    Joy Beer wrote on September 2nd, 2012
  21. I love the lunch links. My 12 year old daughter read the book with me (actually beat me reading it.) But my 10 year old is not entirely on board, and my 7 year old who suffers from the highs and lows of sugar/grains, is certainly not on board. (My husband will eat what I fix, no issues there.) Having ideas for the kids is great, I would love to see more so that I can win them over.

    As to the opinionated opinions, the Primal diet and lifestyle makes sense to me. I had noticed that I needed more protein, and had the sugar highs and lows. Also too many people with type II diabetes in my family – I want to spare my kids that future.

    But…this may not work for all other people. This is like people in recovery for addictions – they all think that their way is the only way and best for everyone. Nope. There are many paths, some that involve issues of the spirit, and I will suggest to people to look into this, but not be upset or look down at them if they don’t agree that it would work for them.

    CrazyCatLady wrote on September 2nd, 2012
  22. It should be noted that there was a small reduction in mortality (24% in the control group versus 20% in the CR group in young onset CR initiation). Their results contrasted sharply with life prolonging affects seen in rhesus monkeys at the Wisconsin National Primate Research Center trial, where 37% of monkeys in the control group died compared to 13% in the CR group at the time of publication a few years ago..

    One factor that is mentioned in this NIA study to try to explain why their results contrasted quite significantly from the primate study done at the Wisconsin Primate Research Center is that “diet composition may strongly affect the life prolonging effect of calorie restriction in a long-lived nonhuman primate”. I would have to see exactly what they were feeding the monkeys at each of the centers to ascertain a difference, however, I do know that they were feeding the monkeys approximately a 60% carbohydrate diet at NIH. That may be way too much to ascertain a clear benefit of CR to life extension. Additionally, triglycerides increased throughout life in both the control and calorie restricted groups. This indicates that burning energy from fat was quite limited in both groups.

    I have long maintained that it is not calorie restriction but carbohydrate and protein restriction that mediates effects of longevity, and that typical calorie restriction reduces calories from both proteins and carbohydrates to a very limited extent. I feel one can go much further in showing benefits of CR with a very low carbohydrate, high-fat, and low to moderate protein diet.

    It is now becoming known that the health and life prolonging effects of calorie restriction are not due actually to calorie restriction per se but is mediated through lowering of metabolic pathway signaling, namely insulin, mTOR, and likely leptin in “higher” animals that use fat as a primary fuel. Therefore the macronutrient contents of the diet is extremely important, however this was not well known to the experimenters when these rhesus monkey experiments were initiated over a decade ago.
    … I do know they were feeding the monkeys approximately a 60% carbohydrate diet at the NIH in both groups… that may be way too much to ascertain a clear benefit to life extension.

    Ron Rosedale M.D.

    andre Chimene wrote on September 3rd, 2012
  23. Regarding the study on light exercise, my dad once told me that people who exercise don’t live longer, they just die healthier.

    Greg Williams wrote on September 3rd, 2012
  24. What’s up with all this sensationalism surrounding the present? The video makes it appear as if there was no fighting or conflict prior to the colonization of America.

    Matt McCandless wrote on September 3rd, 2012
    • Probably just that now we can now kill many more people much faster.

      BillP wrote on September 4th, 2012
  25. Hey, that’s my XFit coach and one of the ladies at my box at 00:47 and 00:49 on the TMZ video!

    SentWest wrote on September 3rd, 2012
  26. Running >20 miles a week fast is bad for you because the group that did that had a higher mortality rate? What about other factors about high intensity endurance athletes? I thought correlation doesnt equal causation! Mark, how will you post a study like this but knock the china study and the lipid hypothesis. What about studies about mortality rates and high cholestoral? No, but those are null and void right? hmmmmm

    Michael wrote on September 3rd, 2012
  27. Baby corn is good.

    Animanarchy wrote on September 20th, 2012
  28. My parents are 101 and 99, both still active. Neither have ever been into endurance types of exercise (unless installing irrigation pipe during our Texas summer falls into that category).

    However, they have both always maintained a habit of walking and staying very active. Even now, mom still does all her own housekeeping, laundry and cooking and goes swimming twice a week. Dad still has a miniature horse to take care of and mows the field with his tractor.

    Mari Ann Lisenbe wrote on August 2nd, 2013

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