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26 Aug

Weekend Link Love – Edition 204

weekend link loveResearch of the Week

Early usage of antibiotics appears to predispose kids to obesity later on in life.

Does a low-carb diet simulate the beneficial effects of exercise? Michael Eades weighs in on a new study.

Interesting Blog Posts

Eating healthy, even organic stuff from Whole Foods, doesn’t have to be expensive. It just takes a little effort.

Beth over at Weight Maven has a nice roundup of AHS-related posts and pics.

Andrew Badenoch of Evolvify talks about building an intentional paleo community. What do you think? Would you join?

Media, Schmedia

Look who’s decided to start promoting the use of lard!

Sauerkraut is dangerous stuff.

Everything Else

Should you be icing your injured tissues? First, hear what K-Starr has to say, then head over to 70’s Big for Justin Lascek’s take on it. Oh, and be sure to seriously, seriously consider pre-ordering the upcoming MWOD book, Becoming a Supple Leopard, for a chance to win some sweet raffle prizes.

Are you a budding “watermelon student”? I know I am. Learn how to eat a watermelon in this video tutorial by Tom Willett.

Recipe Corner

  • Here’s my blatant attempt to attract followers of Ray Peat: sour gummy stars. Reduce the honey if you’re Primal, sub orange juice and powdered aspirin if Peat-inspired.
  • Gazpacho with gusto. To be honest, though, the gusto is optional.

Time Capsule

One year ago (Aug 26 – September 1)

Comment of the Week

I’ve been discussing the “dumbocity” of the egg study with our hens this week to reassure them that they are doing a good job. They were getting a little paranoid there for a while, but once I explained to them that their brains were bigger than the brains of the scientists, they relaxed and went back to chasing bugs.

Decaf Debi, I’d love to try their eggs.

You want comments? We got comments:

Imagine you’re George Clooney. Take a moment to admire your grooming and wit. Okay, now imagine someone walks up to you and asks, “What’s your name?” You say, “I’m George Clooney.” Or maybe you say, “I’m the Clooninator!” You don’t say “I’m George of George Clooney Sells Movies Blog” and you certainly don’t say, “I’m Clooney Weight Loss Plan”. So while spam is technically meat, it ain’t anywhere near Primal. Please nickname yourself something your friends would call you.

  1. The sauerkraut link is the same link for the sour gummy stars…

    Thomas Rudmin wrote on August 26th, 2012
    • Ah, not just me then. I am working on liking sauerkraut and was hoping for some inspiration (or justification :-))

      Alison Golden wrote on August 26th, 2012
      • sauerkraut, sour stars — which to put on my pastured pork chop???

        Diane wrote on August 26th, 2012
      • I am from the culture where sauerkraut is a staple, I always have at least i/2 of gallon of it in mine fridge. Reading advises about making own fermented cabbage here, I keep thinking I wouldn’t like to eat it as well. First of all it is normally advised to ferment it for too long , like 10 days on a counter-top, which is ridiculous. I keep it on a counter-top often no longer than 3 days(however I use a starter, so it speeds-up the start of fermenting) until it tastes pleasantly sour, remove in a fridge and start eating only after 4 weeks the cabbage sitting in a fridge. Taste depends on right type of bacteria, and it depends on a temperature.The colder and longer the better.
        Second, the fermented to the right degree of sourness sauerkraut is not the thing ready to eat, we usually add sliced sweet or green onion, olive oil, if the sauerkraut was fermented for too long, even shredded apple to offset excessive sourness. It is not a bad idea to add a little bit of shredded carrots.

        Galina L. wrote on August 26th, 2012
    • If you do a google search for “woman’s homemade sauerkraut highlights” you can find the intended article.

      It is in a website named “foodsafetynews”, with appropriate pre- and post- letters.

      Well worth reading for paleo folks, most of whom do a lot of cooking by necessity.

      John wrote on August 26th, 2012
    • Yeap. Was just gonna click on that to see what they say about Sauerkraut. But now I might have to make gummy stars. lol

      Gift Clumsywarrior wrote on August 26th, 2012
  2. Sundays are just the best! The whole routine looks like this: Workout – Breakfast – Weekend Link Love – Everything else that has to be done for the day. I seriously love MDA! Mark, you rock :)

    Emily Mekeel wrote on August 26th, 2012
    • +1… fully agree

      Patrice wrote on August 26th, 2012
  3. Your “Sauerkraut is dangerous stuff” link appears to be incorrect – it leads to the sour gummy stars article.

    Some of the other links are pretty interesting, thanks :D

    Takuan wrote on August 26th, 2012
  4. Our friendly bacteria in our gut has something to do with our bone density?

    Hmmm….

    I need to read that article again…

    Issabeau wrote on August 26th, 2012
    • I found the bone density relationship really interesting. Anecdotal — but I was on penicillin for years after having rheumatic fever — and I have very high bone density. (Of course, I was on birth control pills in the 60s and 70s as well.) Still, an interesting correlation.

      Diane wrote on August 26th, 2012
  5. A big NO to the paleo community. Like the diet and all, but that is just… cultish.

    Primal_Libertarian wrote on August 26th, 2012
    • Yeah, same here. I don’t think that fanaticism of any kind is all that healthy, and I don’t want to live with fanatics.

      LM wrote on August 27th, 2012
  6. Andrew Badenoch is too abrasive a reactionary to have any type of intentional community with. Sociopolitically situated well within SWPL boundaries, his rants aren’t even unique enough to be cringeworthy, but are instead merely dull. With his fist-shaking at the litany of crimes that every hedge-fund sophomore at Barnard equally rails against (e.g. “racism”, “patriarchy”, etc…), he proves himself as immune to evolutionary reality as any of the monotheism crowd he’s so eager to condemn. His outlined principles are merely a wish list of someone who’s been affected by modern ideas more than they realize.

    From Clermont County in Ohio to Ascona, Switzerland to the kibbutzim fringing the Negev, these things fail.
    To think we could create some Shangri-La where we hunt elk with atlatls and pick huckleberries while “outside” our special land the world blissfully strays down its current path, happily letting us live our untaxed, tribal, population-consistent lives is naive.

    Our time could be better spent by taking a year off, reading E.O. Wilson, David Sloan Wilson, Robert Ardrey, Konrad Lorenz, Haim Ofek, Dale Peterson and Richard Wrangham, David Quammen, Anne Moir and David Jessel, Ernst Mayr, Jakob von Uexkull, and a host of others who make clear how the world is and why it is, and with that completed, go from there.

    Perhaps to strain for utopia is the closest we’ll ever get to actual utopia.

    Stacie wrote on August 26th, 2012
    • +1 – couldn’t have said it better myself.

      John wrote on August 26th, 2012
      • His criticism of property rights are tired and inconsistent. Think he’d be cool with me setting up camp and squatting in his yard? I bet his “egalitarian” ideals would fly out the window after a couple nights of some friends and I passing a jug o’ hooch and peace pipe around our drum circle.

        Trav wrote on August 26th, 2012
        • I’ve mostly lived on a sailboat since 2008. You’re welcome to squat in my yard, but bring good rain gear.

          My criticism of property rights is absolutely consistent: hunter-gatherers do not recognize land rights. This is not even disputed in academia. I guess the fact that that’s been true for over a million years could accurately be considered ‘tired’, but it’s likely true that you just don’t like it, or fear the full implications.

          I’d recommend spending some time reading the work of Henry George, or even American revolutionary, Thomas Paine’s, critique in “Agrarian Justice”.

          Andrew wrote on August 26th, 2012
    • +5 – That Andrew dude should just keep quiet and embrace cynicism. We already have the answers, and they are apathy.

      I heard he’s spent two years reading and writing about E.O. Wilson, David Sloan Wilson, and Richard Wrangham. And now he’s actually trying to apply what they’ve written to a real world situation? Pish posh I say. Pish. Posh.

      Andrew wrote on August 26th, 2012
      • Hunter-gatherers didn’t respect land rights because land wasn’t scarce at the time. When the white man came along to these shores and started making it scarce, they respected their own land rights enough to fight for it.
        It’s like saying we today don’t recognize property rights because we don’t cordon off the air we breathe. We don’t because it isn’t scarce. Only things that are affected by scarcity are economic goods and thus derive a property right.

        Joshua wrote on August 27th, 2012
        • Cute narrative, but shallow — to the point of being factually incorrect. Exclusive enclosure (whether of land, or breathable air) induces synthetic scarcity. Until petroleum agriculture artificially inflated human population, there was always “frontier” available to humans. Legal enclosure of all landed areas on the planet is a novel development of the 20th century.

          Your North American example relies on a circular argument, as the problem for the indigenous peoples was that the colonizers demanded exclusive enclosure to their own benefit. The notion that the continent was already at carrying capacity is simply wrong.

          References are provided in the post linked. The work of James C. Scott is particularly relevant to your recycled status quo narrative.

          Andrew wrote on August 27th, 2012
        • Then your problem is with the governments that considered it their manifest destiny to commandeer all land that their guns could enforce. As you saw in your trek north, there is still plenty of frontier available. Overpopulation is a myth and regardless, who are you to determine that population is inflated?
          Every natural resource, land included, must be subject to property rights. When scarce resources are communally held, they are quickly spoiled as each member takes as much as he can as quickly as he can before someone else beats him to the punch. Thus, fauna is defoliated, animals are extinguished, rivers are depopulated. No one derives an economic benefit from leaving it for someone else. Only when resources are owned, either by homesteading or by non-aggressive purchasing from ultimate or proximate homesteaders, does ecology flourish.

          Joshua wrote on August 27th, 2012
        • “Only when resources are owned, either by homesteading or by non-aggressive purchasing from ultimate or proximate homesteaders, does ecology flourish.”

          am i the only one who finds this level of arrogance and inanity repulsive? (re:joshua comments) i guess the only reason people come to MDA to comment is so they feel good stuffing a fat tbone in their face, but never consider the horrific ramifications that agriculture has perpetrated on our species (nay, on all species) and the planet.

          i look forward to seeing the comments here when Nestle succeeds in ongoing aggressive privatizing all the water on the planet and the subsequent mandatory rationing of air to only those qualified or paid up on their breathing subscription.

          ravi wrote on August 29th, 2012
      • You’re not applying what these men say to any real world situation but to a very specific place in your head, where the members of the diverse sub-species of homo sapiens, whether viewed prosographically or individually, are all – amazingly – exactly equal in sensorial and spatial cognition, reproductive rates and strategies, testosterone levels, evolutionary strategies, access to technology, amygdala volume, and a host of other metrics that out here in the false world ensure eternal conflict over finite resources.

        Exciting as it might be to play the role of far-seeing savior to the myopic non-believers, simply because others view your principles as not only untenable but juvenile does not make those others automatically “apathetic”. Some of us, having children, may even be more concerned than you are about the current state of things, being enmeshed in the realities of the future encroaching rapidly on our offspring here in the present, and lacking the ability to cut the net and sail or stroll off north because of, ahem, the duty to care for the next generation of “tribe”.

        This glorification of hunter-gatherers and their lifestyle has a long pedigree among the too-recently and too-rapidly civilized and industrialized people of Europe and their descendants. Rousseau blends into Karl May blends into the crying litter Indian. I am, believe it or not, on their – and even your – side. We share the same concerns, the same disgust, and most likely the same desires. But your weltanschauung encompasses and enshrines too many tropes that have been put forth by desecrators of certain things you profess to hold dear, leading me to believe that no matter your bluster, you march side-by-side with the majority population in your essential socio-political outlook. To view hunter-gatherers as something like leprechauns, immune to the pressures and motivations of all lifeforms which want to survive, is no longer merely comical, but also intellectually lazy.

        A key tenet of evolution, roughly put, is that you can’t go back. Yes, tis linear, but it’s still good for the basic understanding that systems become more complex over time. Anyway, when that [heroic] Andrew dude, whom the world is demanding keep quiet and embrace cynicism, manages to get rid of ants growing fungus and grooming aphids, he should drop a line on to MDA and let us know. I, for one, will have a small family, admittedly patriarchal, ready to sign up to his society of equals, roaming from place to place and thriving like the Oglala down on Pine Ridge.

        Stacie wrote on August 27th, 2012
        • +1

          Sondra Rose wrote on August 28th, 2012
        • Excellent comment. Dense, deep and thoughtful but also mellifluous.

          Tim wrote on August 28th, 2012
        • don’t lean quite so hard on “evolution” Stacie – t’aint a given as there have been no definitive fossils found proving one species ever “evolving” into another. in fact, genetic diversity events after massive die-offs of record defy darwins comfy little box. natural selection may well have made us paleolithic eaters, but no provable “linear” character of evolution is to be nailed down – no matter how easy it would make your criticism of Andrew’s innovative idealism–

          ravi wrote on August 29th, 2012
    • “…a host of others who make clear how the world is and why it is, and with that completed, go from there.”

      And?

      BillP wrote on August 26th, 2012
    • yet another committed agriculturalist in hunter-gatherer disguise. Stacie – your rant belies a closed mind and even more closed heart – sad to say. Although Andrew can be intellectually polarizing (maybe why you can’t “grok” him), he has the courage and imagination to dream and offer something new.

      “evolutionary reality” is a poor catchphrase for overpopulation-due-to-insane-oppressive-hierarchical agricultural society.

      you want your cake and to eat it too – this is not rocket science and for all his intellectual ramblings, i would rather be caught on a continent with Andrew than any of your other eggheads smoking their cigars and trying to reason the natural world rather than regain our communion with it.

      ravi wrote on August 29th, 2012
      • let’s edit that last claim – in retrospect, i would rather Andrew be on the other end of said continent than i, however, i do still support a different paradigm and and HG world view is a good start–

        ravi wrote on August 29th, 2012
  7. This is the definitive guide on How to Eat a Watermelon.

    youtube.com/watch?v=2-eitsutpOc&feature=related

    ChocoTaco369 wrote on August 26th, 2012
    • Another strange watermelon video. But I have to say, one of the funniest clips out there!

      Robert wrote on August 26th, 2012
  8. I particularly enjoyed “Eating Healthy Doesn’t Have To Be Expensive So Stop Whining About It” on Paleo Lifestyle. Thanks for the links.

    DSG
    zenpresence.com

    Zen Presence wrote on August 26th, 2012
  9. The watermelon video was probably one of the weirdest things I have seen on Youtube!

    Robert wrote on August 26th, 2012
    • I couldn’t stop watching. The man speaks from experience.

      Joseph S. wrote on August 26th, 2012
  10. OK, I definitely like the Petey Greene watermelon method. Was Tom Willett joking or not? Kept wondering if he was going to say, “Ah, the hell with it!” and just smash his face into the watermelon.

    BillP wrote on August 26th, 2012
  11. thanks again for a great set of links – eades article is more bias-confirmation (my bias that is) and evolvify’s new discussion is very interesting (if a big hard to imagine as possible) –

    as for lardy-weil, he’s hard to stomach so to speak – a mixed bag of advice over the course of his ramblings-

    ravi wrote on August 26th, 2012
  12. Comment is about the link about healthy eating not being expensive.

    The first point is completely mute for some of us. Not all of us are paying loads every month for health care, or ever were. For the time being I still have the NHS. If I were to move to scotland or wales then I wouldn’t even have prescription costs.

    Rant over. Sorry, but I needed to say that. I do pay more now for my food than I used to. From a couple of slices of homemade bread plus butter to coconut fried eggs for breakfast. From cheese sandwich to big ass salad for lunch. From pasta, beans and sauce to meat and veg for dinner. I’m sorry but I am paying more than I used to. No getting around it. But as far as I’m concerned it is worth it.

    treborix wrote on August 26th, 2012
    • I buy more expensive food now, but less of it,because I eat twice a day, no snacks, first meal is eggs and butter. I can even afford more often organic veggies because I eat less of it, also organ meat is cheep ,even grass-fed.

      Galina L. wrote on August 26th, 2012
  13. For the sauerkraut story try here
    http://tinyurl.com/blbm8vy

    Bob Baxter wrote on August 26th, 2012
  14. Wahooo! Thanks for linking over to my gummy stars!

    Heather wrote on August 26th, 2012
  15. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/26/opinion/sunday/immune-disorders-and-autism.html?_r=1

    Here’s a link I just stumbled upon which should be of interest.

    Spencer wrote on August 26th, 2012
  16. Well, the antibiotic post was interesting. I had near constant ear infections as a kid always treated with antibiotics. As a teen I was hospitalized with one of the very first “antibiotic resistant” strains of strep the doctors had ever seen. That one required IV antibiotics and a loooooong course of steroids. My kids have been spared, except for the one child who had (what they didn’t know was) RSV at two weeks of age, and nearly died from it. She received several rounds of antibiotics before they figured out it was viral.

    Mamachibi wrote on August 26th, 2012
  17. I´m with Andrew.
    We need to take “Paleo” not only into diet and fitness but also -and most esentially- into politics and philosopy. That´s when “paleo” really begins to make sense.
    Please think about it (Mark, have you ever thought about it?)

    Juan wrote on August 26th, 2012
  18. Re: OCPD Watermelon video (:-P:”Maybe I want to make my tunnels two inches wide.” TW:”NOOOO you can’t do that! 15/16s! Fork Cartel!”)

    This video lost me after 5 minutes in. Or are you saying marshmellows are primal now? How about peanut butter, ice cream and chocolate milk? ‘Cause that is what he’s eating with the watermelon.

    Tsk, tsk, somebody didn’t watch the whole video before they posted it on their blog…

    TW:”This will actually be quite tasty when you try it.”

    I don’t think so! :-X

    :-P wrote on August 26th, 2012
  19. Wow, the icing thing is going to take a while to get my head around. Talk about a cherished belief!

    Moshen wrote on August 26th, 2012
  20. The link about antibiotics is interesting, especially when you also read Dr K’s latest blog about gut flora. After being born with a hole in my heart I had antibiotics for every sniffle, enough that is has affected my teeth, it is no surprise that they are another piece in the puzzle. Until I went paleo it was almost as if I just had to mention the word antibiotics and I would get a yeast outbreak.

    TK wrote on August 26th, 2012
  21. Yeah the part about it not being so expensive is true I think. I think my problem is the fact that while trying to cut my addiction to sweets, have managed to replace them with paleo and primal sweets, and all that raw organic honey, coconut butter, almond and coconut flour etc is Expensive! I also have had to buy a bunch of spices since I don’t used that packaged crap anymore, so that all at once was kind of alot.

    But I do find I have to actually force myself to eat less… because I am mentally used to eating more, and I get full faster now that I am eating Primal, so even buying better quality meat should even itself out.

    Still having a hard time with the over eating and some of the stress eating, boredom eating, sweets addictions, and snacking out of habit not cuz I’m hungry. I may try a 21 day sugar detox soon, as well as no snacking and see how that goes… but first I have to finish the carrot cake cupcakes I made, oh and the homemade nutella I’m working on for a cake I want to make. (Oh geez, I need an intervention!)

    Just because I made it out of honey and coconut flour, does not mean I should suck down that entire batch of muffins in less than 12 hours… oy vey! It’s still a treat! Hey I’ve only been Primal for 5 weeks, I’ll figure it out eventually!

    But I will never eat eggs or bacon at a restaurant again. WHAT do they put in that stuff? Pounding headache and nausea again today after family breakfast, 2nd time it’s happened. I thought eggs and bacon would be safe, I don’t even enjoy eggs that much and I was just depressed I couldn’t eat… anything. HA. Love me some breakfast carbs. Bleh, next time somebody invites me out for breakfast I’m staying home and grilling a steak!

    Amy wrote on August 26th, 2012
    • For someone like me who never bought processed food and rarely went out to eat, eating organic and grass-fed this and raw that would triple my food costs. Before seeing the light I ate garbage but it was all garbage I made myself totally from scratch.
      Hopefully eating CAFO meat is not the worst thing in the world. Maybe when the three babies aren’t babies anymore I’ll splurge on that stuff for a month and see what happens.

      Joshua wrote on August 27th, 2012
    • Honey may be better viewed as one of those foods that is only “paleo” if eaten once in a blue moon. It’s just sugar, no matter what the raw foodies say. And how many beehives are/were raided by H-Gs? Not many! And then they probably sat around holding their heads for days from the sugar-hangover, not to mention the overstressed pancreases.

      BillP wrote on August 27th, 2012
      • Well, there are alot of benefits to raw honey, but I’d agree I’m definitely overdoing it. It was alot of work to get honey, that’s for sure. It’s not really healthy to eat cupcakes muffins and cookies everyday, no matter what version they are. :/

        Amy wrote on August 27th, 2012
  22. Dammit Mark…I have spent the last 4 hours going over the “Ice or no Ice” arguement at Kstar and reading all the comments and further studies….Now tonight I have to read over the counter blog you posted. My whole day is shot, educating myself to be a better trainer and help my clients as well as myself. I was so looking forward to watching another episode of TRON on my I Pad…well…back to the “learnin”.

    andre Chimene wrote on August 27th, 2012
    • Go out and pull a muscle today and use ice. Then do the same next week and use no ice and compare the two. Self-experimentation is encouraged here. :-)

      Leah wrote on August 27th, 2012
  23. Beware of spontaneous combustion.

    “If the body’s cells are starved (which can occur during chronic illness and even during a workout at the gym), acetyl-CoA in the liver is converted into acetoacetate, which can decarboxylate into acetone. And acetone is highly flammable. A range of conditions can produce ketosis, in which acetone is formed, including alcoholism, high-fat low-carbohydrate dieting, diabetes and even teething. So we marinaded pork tissue in acetone, rather than ethanol.

    “This was used to make scale models of humans, which we clothed and set alight. They burned to ash within half an hour. The remains – a pile of smoking cinders with protruding limbs – were exactly like the photographs of human victims. The legs remain, we think, because there is too little fat for much acetone to accumulate. For the first time a feasible cause of human combustion has been experimentally demonstrated.”

    http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21528786.500-big-burn-theory-why-humans-spontaneously-combust.html?full=true

    Martin_B wrote on August 27th, 2012
  24. The Evolify article contains very interesting ideas about alternate methods of organizing the politics and structure of human society. I too agree that agricultural systems have brought about problems for mankind which include not only those you mentioned, but also diseases we contracted by living in close quarters with domestic animals and just too dran mnay people!

    However, Andrew Badenoch would not be writing this article and sharing it with thousands, if not millions, if not for property rights, specialization, and patent laws generated and enforced by states / governments. All these structures came about because of agriculture and the need to organize large groups of humans for a common cause. I am not saying we don’t need to move on, or that there is not a lot to learn from the ways of hunter-gatherers and ancient peoples. I am just saying I like indoor plumbing, antibiotics, electricity, and computers, don’t want to go back, and think we need to be aware, and respectfully critical, of how we got here before we can really think about how to move forward.

    Davie Pryor wrote on August 27th, 2012
    • And how to combine the best of the h-g way of life with the best of the modern.

      BillP wrote on August 27th, 2012
  25. It might be slightly more expensive to eat paleo/primal, but a lot of money is wasted buying too much food and throwing it away, too. Especially when you go to the farmer’s market and it’s all so pretty. I think it takes a while to get the hang of how little produce you actually need to buy and eat each day. Also, sharing produce with other people at work lets you get a lot of food for free. I feel like crying uncle at all the free tomatoes we’ve been getting lately.

    Diane wrote on August 27th, 2012
  26. Glad I read this…we just bought a watermelon and have yet to cut it open…I could of ate it all wrong!

    Ed wrote on August 27th, 2012
  27. Regarding intentional communities. I think this article points to another way.
    http://www.ishmael.org/Education/Writings/wealth.cfm

    Diane wrote on August 27th, 2012
  28. I probably spend about $80 per person per week for food for my family at Whole Foods. We recently had to purchase our own health insurance, and I got a good-sized discount — I think because I go to the doctor so little. I’m 51 years old, I take no drugs (not even over-the-counter) and I can’t remember the last time I went to the doctor.

    Pam wrote on August 30th, 2012
  29. I don’t believe in all of the doctrines put forth by Andrew Badenoch; but even if I did, my libertarianism makes me quite unsuitable for such a community.

    Jennie wrote on September 6th, 2012

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