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15 Jul

Weekend Link Love – Edition 198

Because ninjas never sat down to type WordPress blogs.

Speaking of ninjas, let Al Kavadlo show you how to do a kip up.

Should we kill animals that kill humans?

A recent study suggests that “dense acellular carbohydrates” (in other words, grains) were found to promote inflammatory intestinal microbiota, as opposed to carbohydrates from “cellular tubers, leaves, and fruits.” Sound familiar to anyone else?

The Human Food Project quizzed a group of 37 microbiologists about their thoughts on diet and gut flora, including what a diet that promotes a healthy microbiome would look like. The results are pleasantly unsurprising.

New research shows that traditionally-shod runners who go barefoot for the first time immediately improve their running economy and adopt a shorter stride length.

All the more reason to support pastured (or at least organic) poultry: antibiotic use in chickens has been linked to bladder infections in humans.

Did you know that the Paleo diet is uncivilized, unhealthy, and untrue? That we’re just all a bunch of savage bloodthirsty heathens? Yeah, apparently it’s true. Seriously, though: a $50 gift certificate to to the person who comes up with the best comeback or rebuttal in today’s comment section. The Worker Bees and I will judge. Contest ends at midnight PDT, July 17 – two days from now.

Co-evolution, schmo-evolution; pit bulls are natural born killers. Right?

Recipe Corner

Time Capsule

One year ago (July 15 – July 21)

Comment of the Week

Oh boy, you’re putting your foot in it again, Mark! ;o) *says the grandma who is younger than you and who is also interested in the science of it*

– Yup, I shoulda known, Janet and Estelle. My apologies to all the grandmas out there.

You want comments? We got comments:

Imagine you’re George Clooney. Take a moment to admire your grooming and wit. Okay, now imagine someone walks up to you and asks, “What’s your name?” You say, “I’m George Clooney.” Or maybe you say, “I’m the Clooninator!” You don’t say “I’m George of George Clooney Sells Movies Blog” and you certainly don’t say, “I’m Clooney Weight Loss Plan”. So while spam is technically meat, it ain’t anywhere near Primal. Please nickname yourself something your friends would call you.

  1. Proud to say I’m starting to remember the time capsule links!

    Alex wrote on July 15th, 2012
  2. The article about pitbulls “nanny dog” made me sad. Because we recently moved to Australia, and the American Pitbull Terrier was a banned breed for import here (dangerous dog). So I had to leave my beloved pitbulls to loving new homes in the United States before coming over here. I’m still heartbroken, 4 months later. I have a 16 month old baby and they were amazing with her. My youngest one used to lay her head in her lap and kiss her feet and would do it all day is allowed to.

    On a different note: I actually enjoyed reading the anti-paleo article. It’s always good to read the reverse side of the story too.

    Carly wrote on July 15th, 2012
  3. The comeback to this article is right there in it: “If You Repeat a Lie Often Enough, It becomes the Truth”

    I feel sorry for the people who will read that, believe it, and miss out on optimal health because of it.

    Casey wrote on July 15th, 2012
  4. Its crazy to me that people get so defensive and stressed out over their food choices. So much that its a constant attack and defend cycle of nonsense. Who the hell cares if people only want to eat leaves, sticks, and berries or ten pounds of bacon. Far as I know Vegans and Paleo folks are not necessarily dropping like flies. So annoying is the Cult of Primal/Paleo versus the Cult of Vegetarian/Veganism vs the Medical Community vs the person that just wants to be free to eat what the hell they want. I dabbled in veganism but it was short lived because I like to eat animal flesh and I was tired of the moralistic preachy snobbishness. Primal/Paleo is a good idea and all, dabbled with it to try and keep my husband well fed and help him lose weight and I was in contest prep and needed meal ideas that weren’t carb heavy, but the cult like swarm of bees mentality is a turn off. That and I like oatmeal and pancakes too much. Relax. If you think the US or the world is going to adopt a primal diet and we will live happily ever after your living on the same rainbow militant vegans do. Be secure in your diet if it works for you, don’t get so riled up by what other people say.

    Kia wrote on July 15th, 2012
    • I agree. I have a deep appreciation for fresh, warm bread as a vehicle for really good butter, and if I want to eat it next to my steak and veggies on a night out, I’m gonna.

      Kristina wrote on July 15th, 2012
  5. Just as an aside, did anyone listen to Dr. Barry Groves’ presentation on the Real Food Summit last week?
    re: “artery clogging saturated fats”- Dr. Groves analyzes the diet of several mammals, including gorillas, cows, sheep and wolves. Turns out that the hind gut fermentation of gorillas and the fore gut fermentation of cows and sheep turn the herbivorous diet into : short chain fatty acids, which are by definition all saturated! That’s right- the nutrient profiles of all the herbivores look remarkably like the paleo diet profile: about 25-30% protein, 10% carbs and 55-65% fat, mostly the saturated variety. The human digestive tract most closely resembles that of obligate carnivores like wolves. We don’t have several fore stomachs or a huge hind gut to ferment plant materials into saturated fats, so we’re stuck with eating them directly! What a shame.
    Since, Dr. M., you are so concerned with artery clogging saturated fats as well as the poor beasties we prey upon, why aren’t you doing something to help all those heart attack prone cows and sheep?
    Oh, wait, it’s because they don’t have heart disease-at least until we start feeding the poor herbivores an omnivorous diet of BT corn and GE soy and hybridized wheat, oh, my!
    Next time you want to bash someone else’s diet, please have a fact checker make sure you get at least one thing right. As for me, I’m sticking with a diet that has helped me feel better than I can ever remember feeling.

    BJML wrote on July 15th, 2012
  6. I left some love for the article at it’s source, but here it is too:

    “Low-carbohydrate (low-carb) diets are fueling the destruction of human health and our planet Earth.”

    I think actually that would have to be the barbaric wars and starvation that plague billions of people worldwide. Did you know that 2 billion people do not have access to a sanitary toilet?

    “In an attempt to remedy the obvious harms to human health caused by very low-carb eating, apologists (including the Atkins Nutritionals) have added fruits and non-starchy vegetables to their programs”.

    Fruits and non-starchy vegetables? Well that’s most of my diet right there. I think low-carb generally refers to not gorging on 300+ grams of the carb macronutrient a day. This is sound advice. “Low” is a relative term to the 300+ grams that will kill anyone off eventually. I do not think “Paleo” is about perpetual ketosis or pure carnivorousness.

    “The Paleo Diet (also referred to as the Paleolithic Diet, the Paleodiet, the Caveman Diet, the Stone Age Diet, and the Hunter-Gatherer Diet) is the most recent and popular approach to weight loss”.

    Like, “Shake-weight” kind of popular?

    “Teachers of Paleo nutrition claim our ancient ancestors were hunter-gathers with an emphasis on hunting…”

    I think the general emphasis is actually on fresh produce. Meat is next in importance.

    “…genetically adapted to eat what the hunter-gathers ate—mostly animal foods…”

    I’m not sure how many people believe that. Switch the word ‘animal’ with ‘plant’ and they are equally true statements to make. One can survive off of a non-animal foods diet perfectly fine. Humans are pretty much adapted to eat ANYTHING and survive. We’re a pretty sweet rigged species. It’s really hard to starve a human. Eat whatever you want people, be happy.

    “The Paleo Diet book (revised 2011) is “the bible” for followers of this approach…”

    Take that zealots of the PALEO DIET BOOK. BWAHAHA! Buy the starch book; it’s better.

    “Research published in the journal Nature (on June 27, 2012) reports that almost the entire diet of our very early human ancestors, dating from 2 million years ago, consisted of leaves, fruits, wood, and bark—a diet similar to modern day chimpanzees.”

    This is… 80% of my diet! INCREDIBLE! No seriously; for the longest time I was eating ONLY yams, spinach, cocoa nibs, annd bacon! (whoops!) my bad. I’ll cut out the bacon (I won’t); otherwise I’m on track! To all you readers out there; this combination is totally legit; you’ll poop great and have tons of energy. That’s: Yams, spinach, and cocoa nibs – only now I would have added in mixed berries. You now have my persistent diet for the last 6 months. Enjoy! It’s like a paleo/starchsolution love baby! Dawwww’ :3 ♥!

    “Bone marrow or brains of animals were both favorites of pre-civilization…”

    And modern day humans! You should see some of the things Anthony Bourdain eats! I heard he ate a cobra’s heart while it was still beating! Gnarly! Let’s not be hasty on what we call disgusting, these are nice people we are considering here.

    “…artery-clogging saturated fats and cholestero…”

    Isn’t this a Katy Perry song? Blah Blah Blah? No wait, that’s a Ke$ha song! Silly me! (I ♥ Katy Perry with all my little artery clogged ♥’s! :3 :3 :3 OMG).

    “addition of non-starchy fruits and vegetables, and nuts and seeds…”

    Are incredible for your health and attitude; and your stool! Ever try eating a one-pound bag of mixed berries topped with some chia seeds? Wonders! I could never eat ANYTHING ELSE and survive off of that combination happily.

    “are filthy with disease-causing microbes (including mad cow prions, and E. coli and salmonella bacteria), and contain the highest levels of poisonous environmental chemicals found in the food chain”.

    Read “The Jungle” (Sinclair); watch a few documentaries on how ANY food product is mass-produced in the United States; edible animals (and also humans) are mostly filled with microbes and stuff; by nature all animal life is not filthy as described. By design, the mass-food industry makes them so. People, edible animals, plants alike are all ridden with disease causing microbes and deadly chemicals, because big companies make it so and nobody tries to enforce quality control or reasonable health standards.

    “For most people the dietary ceiling for protein is 200 to 300 grams a day… ”

    I dare anyone to eat that much of any SINGLE macro-nutrient in one day and enjoy it afterwards. You’ll poop your brains out by eating too much of anything. We all know that from experience.

    “A recent report from U.S. Geological Survey estimates that it takes 4,000 to 18,000 gallons of water to produce the beef used to make one juicy hamburger”.

    I still think bottled water makes this statement pretty unconvincing. Also flushing toilets, showers, lawn sprinklers, ALL of modern agriculture as it stands – meat or produce, are all pretty wasteful. I don’t think beef is the evilest. I’m not necessarily and McDonald’s fan either. It’s that whole industrial food thing again. Get a composting toilet anyways, even if we are doomed to the cows! That’s what you can do for America! Be patriotic.

    “Men and women following diets based on grains, legumes, and starchy vegetables have accomplished most of the great feats in history. The ancient conquerors of Europe and Asia”…

    Butchered and raped their neighbors for hundreds of years! Sounds familiar to the last few centuries. I dare anyone to argue neolithic man is more ‘civilized’ than paleolithic man. I DARE YOU. GOOD LUCK.

    “In other words, if people had remained on a diet of mostly animal foods (assuming our ancestors actually did), we would still be living in the Stone Age”.

    And, so? Paleolithic humans were smart, spiritual, and artistic people.

    They had feelings, played instruments, and painted.

    I don’t care what ancient humans ate.

    Everyone should strive to be as soulful and rich as our ancient ancestors.

    Anything less would be a foolish disregard of our humanity.

    “Which nine should die so that the Paleo people can have their uncivilized way?”

    Well… better start lifting weights and practicing your spear-play and we’ll find out eh? I guarantee I’ll be lifting 500 pounds and sprinting 100 miles faster than most if we start now; on ANY diet! I’ve got the conviction to survive. The ignorant and weak spirited will die; the strong and smart will endure – if that’s what it comes to in the ‘end’.

    Will Cook wrote on July 15th, 2012
    • “Which nine should die so that the Paleo people can have their uncivilized way?”

      “Well… better start lifting weights and practicing your spear-play and we’ll find out eh?”

      love it– big +1 !

      ravi wrote on July 16th, 2012
  7. It does not take two sentences to tell the bit from Forks over Knives is dishonest. And that’s about it.

    Txomin wrote on July 15th, 2012
  8. FoK: Basic biology would like to have a serious talk with you.
    Can’t we just eat them?

    Nionvox wrote on July 15th, 2012
  9. “This diet works by starving the human body of carbohydrates in order to induce a state of illness (ketosis), which can result in weight loss. People become too sick to eat too much.”

    I would really like to see one of our so-called sick people kick their sugar-burning asses at, well, pretty much everything.

    Rachel wrote on July 15th, 2012
  10. I’ve chosen my 9 people.

    LW wrote on July 15th, 2012
    • …. grilled with lotsa butter…

      ravi wrote on July 16th, 2012
  11. Here’s the rebuttal: Michael Duncan Clarke is a vegetarian.

    Alter Eigo wrote on July 15th, 2012
    • Obviously this man hasn’t eaten enough meat, because his brain cells are starving. Reminds me of when I used to be vegan and I would start crying for no reason because I was in a perma-brain fog. Saying that a suggestion that Dr. Cordain made to eat alligator meat is a requirement of paleo is absurd and dishonest. Saying that Dr. Cordain’s statement that the world population would be smaller means we should basically pick out, to murder 10 of our family members so we can have our paleo world is so absurd, and so illogical, I am utterly beyond words. He is mistaking a by product of what could have been as a requirement for the paleo diet. You would have to be an outright moron to do that. I cannot imagine how this person graduated from a four year college, let alone medical school. The future attorney in me would love to eviscerate this article piece by piece but why bother… I have meat to cook, vigorous, healthy little celiac children who are thriving on a paleo diet to take care of, sunshine to soak in, and a life steeped in natural order to LOVE. If you want to kill your brain and your muscles by starving them, go for it. Not me though, and not my babies:)

      Christina208 wrote on July 16th, 2012
  12. in the forks over knives, article, did anyone notice that the link for “heart disease and other forms of atherosclerosis” links to the comment section (!?) for a study showing that high carbohydrate diets lead to atherosclerosis? ( )

    andy wrote on July 16th, 2012
    • Nicely spotted. I didn’t click all the links and I missed that one. Interesting!

      Kristina wrote on July 18th, 2012
  13. Simple biochemistry.

    Essential Amino Acids are required for the human body to survive. All of these can be obtained simply from proteins derived from animal meat. You would need to eat a lot more plant food to get the required nutrients than you would need to eat animal based products.

    Essential Fatty Acids are also required. Again, you can obtain these from animal based foods. It would be difficult to find all the required acids through plant food.

    What the body does not require is carbohydrates or sugar. Any of these can be created on an ad hoc basis when the body requires it.

    YOU DO NOT NEED VEGETABLES OR FRUIT. All of your nutritional requirements can be derived from a meat based diet. You cannot however, derive all of your nutrition from a plant based diet. If you tried you will succumb to disease and die.

    Non-Vegan wrote on July 16th, 2012
  14. The proof is in the puddin’.

    JtC wrote on July 16th, 2012
  15. Many dog breeds are “baby sitters.” They protect family members from other people.

    When raised from puppyhood, the problem with Pit Bulls isn’t the danger to your children, it’s the danger to every other child who comes into your home.

    Dan wrote on July 16th, 2012
  16. After all the Geiko commercials, you’d think people’d stop underestimating cavemen.

    Dan wrote on July 16th, 2012
  17. McDougall leans on unjustified claims like ‘ketosis (state of illness)’, ‘artery clogging saturated fats and cholesterol’ and ‘disease causing meats’. He also comes to the ridiculous conclusion that we can’t really practice paleo without cannibalism.

    If this is the output of one of the vegan movement’s finest minds, there should be no lingering doubt as to which diet is better for the brain.

    With people like Art De Vany and Nassim Taleb on our side, there’s no need to argue against the likes of John McDougall and T Colin Campbell. The argument is long over and we won.

    GB wrote on July 16th, 2012
  18. For a guy who probably has tubors growing out of his ears, he’s sure full of a lot of bull.

    Lizard wrote on July 16th, 2012
  19. If the paleo diet is such a repulsive nutritional nightmare, why are the results so damm attractive?

    BrokenFang wrote on July 16th, 2012
  20. A wide variety of plants and animals for our ancestors: $0

    Optimal health and weight: $0

    plenty of play and sunshine: $0

    A vibrant primal life: priceless

    There are some thing a primal life can’t improve (doctor salaries), for everything else, there’s the starch diet.

    I’m so ashamed of my unhealthy, savage ancestors for living in their dirty tribes, telling stories instead of tweeting, and respecting a lush, vibrant earth. If only they had known back then how planting a few grains and potatoes would lead to overpopulation, global pollution and a pharmaceutical industry…we all might not have been born and had to suffer through that idiotic article.

    primalrob wrote on July 16th, 2012
  21. And, Mark…
    seriously, thank you for posting that pit bull article. My best friend would give you a high five if you were here with us. (yeah, my dog gives high fives.)

    primalrob wrote on July 16th, 2012
  22. Me fail paleo? That’s unpossible!

    PrimalJosh wrote on July 16th, 2012
  23. I now have the proof I need – low carb diets will cause you to eat your children.

    Ben Dau wrote on July 16th, 2012
  24. This is the usual fanatical response when beliefs are challenged, an emotional response with specially selected information to bolster their arguments.

    The difference is we (the MDA community) like to experiment and try new things, if they work great, if they don’t, change it.

    I think the way we need to settle this is not via argument but by an experiment.

    How about this:

    10 ForksOverKnives readers and 10 MDA readers get their cholesterol, fat and various other levels tested. They then follow the others recommended diet (getting a veggie to eat meat would be difficult but they want to prove they are right don’t they?) for 6 weeks then get re-tested.


    Jon wrote on July 16th, 2012
    • That’s too small a sample size to get a good statistical analysis. We’ve got enough on both sides to get at least a couple hundred people from each camp in on it. That would be enough to account for variables like vegans vs vegetarians, dairy vs nondairy, activity levels, et cetera without totally skewing the results.

      Kristina wrote on July 18th, 2012
      • I agree, but my point is that they approach vegetablism (as I like to call it) as a religious cult, whereas paleo /primal comes from scientific research into cause and effect.

        Jon wrote on July 19th, 2012
  25. Such a poorly researched, uncited article is hardly even worthy of response, IMHO.
    Results show more than any internet arguing ever will. People that are looking for long-lasting answers, and that are willing to follow the results, will find us. We don’t need to run around trying to prove ourselves to people who make broad assertions without citing sources, mostly likely in the attempt to sell their books on low fat eating.

    Mariah wrote on July 16th, 2012
  26. I think what the Forks Over Knives people are missing is that Paleo doesn’t force me to eat organs, skip veggies etc… But holy hell do I *want* to eat organ meat, it’s delicious! And I don’t skip veggies, I eat my greens like its going out of style, I have a garden full of kale, broccoli, leaf lettuce etc…

    It would be unreasonable for anyone to follow any diet 100% of the time, and the assertions that the author makes are wild, for instance I have never experienced:
    “Furthermore, according to Dr. Cordain, a diet very high in animal protein foods would cause a person to become seriously ill with nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, and eventually death from protein toxicity”

    Any person – well any rational person – who experienced that would quit the diet in a heartbeat. But none of us have quit the diet because none of us have had that experience. Fat is delicious, protein is delicious, I actually eat less now than I ever did!

    Finally I went Paleo because I’m a Celiac – actually my full diagnosis is non-responsive celiac with IBD and since going Paleo, for the first time in my entire life, I’m actually losing weight (60 lbs so far) and putting on muscle.

    I’m also a lot less cranky, my joints aren’t always on fire, the bathroom isn’t a dreaded cauldron of hatred and I’m generally better.

    I think the author of Forks over knives needs to try Paleo for at least 6 months before passing that kind of judgement.

    Christian wrote on July 16th, 2012
  27. BTW – Rabbit Starvation is caused by eating lean meat – which is generally tasteless – not fatty meat – which tastes like heaven.

    Christian wrote on July 16th, 2012
  28. I would bash the primal diet too if my book was called ‘The Starch Solution’.

    Besides he went to Michigan State.

    jmbrunson wrote on July 16th, 2012
  29. “For most of us the thought of eating bone marrow and brains is repulsive.”

    Stopped reading here, clearly the author has never had goat marrow.

    ZenBowman wrote on July 16th, 2012
    • Yeah.. that argument boils down to: “Ewww.. icky poo!”


      Tim wrote on July 16th, 2012
  30. McDougall, is that the name of a comic-book character? I cannot believe he is a real person (let alone doctor).

    Dan wrote on July 16th, 2012
  31. rebuttal:
    Let them eat cake.

    Rhonda wrote on July 16th, 2012
  32. McDougall went boasting,
    in an internet posting,
    and said paleo’s uncivilized.

    To the heart it is brutal,
    and contesting it’s futile,
    when meat is so grotesquely prized.

    But just like some ramen,
    his comments were straw men,
    with little nutritional clout

    When we peel back the curtain,
    see his vegan friends lurkin’,
    we understand what he’s truly about.


    Tim wrote on July 16th, 2012
    • <3

      Kristina wrote on July 18th, 2012
  33. Contrary to popular thought, the high infant mortality rate of the Paleolithic period was not due to stress or environmental factors, rather, it was due to the anthropological truth that children are, in fact, tasty.

    Ben Dau wrote on July 16th, 2012
  34. The first thing that went through my mind reading McDougall’s article (besides laughter) was recalling Survivor season 1 … didn’t they end up eating rat? Because they were hungry and to be honest, anyone that’s dropped on a deserted island is going to first search out food sources and at some point are going to make spears to hunt things.

    Emily wrote on July 16th, 2012
  35. His (John McDougall) knowledge of agriculture is just as bad.

    Industrial livestock methods use grain as the main feedstock. The modern production of grain is dependant on modern fertilisers. Modern fertilisers are derived from methane. In the process of making fertilizer large quantities of CO2 is produced. Modern fertiliser run off into the water systems creates quite unpleasant results (toxic algae blooms for one)

    The raising of grass feed beef (or any other naturally raised animals) does not require the need of external fertilizers and therefore is carbon neutral.

    Further, cows feed on good quality pasture with a mix of different grasses and plants produce significantly less methane than cows feed a modern grain diet. Recent research has found that our friend omega-3 (in grass) inhibits methane production in ruminants.

    Oh, and animal poop is a fantastic fertiliser.

    alan wrote on July 16th, 2012
  36. I’ll take happy, healthy and fit any day over a civilized SAD diet.
    I was a vegetarian for ten plus years in good health and spirits, and definately on the forks over knives bandwagon. I then switched to a paleo diet to support the misses in her weight loss after our 2nd child. Surprise, surprise I became much healhier with in two weeks of stopping eating grains and was shocked at how much better my back/legs /and hips felt after eliminating grains and sugar for only two weeks (I feel like I have found religon, where I am trying to spread the gospel of how much better it is without grains and sugar in your diet).
    Twice a year fast for a week (for about 10 years now) and did not see any difference like this. I have literally rolled back my athletic clock by about 10 years in how my legs/back/hips feel and act in the mornings and thru the day. I will never go back to eating grains and sugar on a regular basis again, because my body just did not like it.
    P.S. I put happy, healthy and fit, with fit last, because happy and healthy come first, but being fit is fun. I droped about 7 pounds after about two months being paleo and look fantastic. If I had known about being paleo when I was young (up thru my mid thirties) and athletically competitive it would have made a big difference in my performance and injuries.

    Looking forward to passing paleo on to my 2 boys, and maybe a little girl and watching them run with it,

    Thank you paleo.

    kip ortiz wrote on July 16th, 2012
  37. A friend of my mom actually forwarded this to me. The part that made the the most mad was about the Eskimos. Two issues with that; the link that was provided doesn’t result in ANY useful info. and I have already seen a video about these two guys who basically proved Eskimos eating a traditional diet were in fact extremely healthy, and that the Eskimos shopping at the market were the ones who have actually started having health problems.

    John (aka Wish I Were Riding) wrote on July 16th, 2012
  38. This was my rebuttal to a friend who posted the article on Facebook, saying “Don’t fall for all these fad diets people”:

    “Consider that the writer is not an unbiased source, however–he, too, has a method to sell–books, 10-day residential program. etc.”

    “And unfortunately, Dr. McDougall doesn’t seem to consider that just because ‘the Agriculture Revolution, with the efficient production of grains, legumes, and potatoes–the very foods forbidden by the Paleo diet–allowed us to become civilized”, it doesn’t automatically counter-indicate that this “revolution” occured because it was the most biologically beneficial way. We shifted our attention elsewhere once we no longer had to make a lifestyle following our food (both plants and animals)… in the same vain of convenience and very closed related to our technological revolution, we now have bags of artificial food that can last on a store shelf for years; simply noting that it has happened doesn’t mean it was optimal!”

    I also sent the friend a link to this website, shared the Primal Blueprint book with him, and recounted how my own experience with Paleo/Primal eating has dramatically changed my health. [I am anemic and have had a lifelong history of extremely bothersome seaonsal allergies, both of which DRASTICALLY changed for the better when I re-tooled my diet and lifestyle.] Additionally, I used supplemental materials regarding carbohydrate intolerance written by Dr. Phil Maffetone to reinforce that our grain-based diet was not constructed on the parameters of having better health and well-being. It is worth noting that he has since visited the website, is in the process of reading the book, AND has even come as far as accepting some help transitioning into minimalist-style footwear for running/exercise and is considering a makeover for his heavy-lifting/too-many-cardio-miles workouts!

    Claire wrote on July 16th, 2012
  39. As an ex-vegan: There’s a little too much in common between the paleo diet and the vegan diet to really start throwing dirt like this.

    Lots of fresh veggies at every meal is not an earth-shattering proposition. It’s also the primary reason the people in Forks Over Knives lost weight. They – like many Primal eaters making the shift – didn’t get enough of the good stuff before. Mudslinging over the differences between two lifestyles that get people to eat their veg is ridiculous! Especially since both camps tend to get defensive about their choices…

    Erica wrote on July 16th, 2012
    • *claps*

      Kia wrote on July 16th, 2012
  40. “Children were not off the menu. And we are supposed to eat the favorite meats of our uncivilized, pre-Agriculture Revolution, hunter-gather, ancestors?” I don’t know about you, but I’ve never thought, “Wow, those kids are starting to look pretty delicious,” after being an uncivilized, hunter-gatherer for the last 2 years. Really?

    Heather wrote on July 16th, 2012

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