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18 Mar

Weekend Link Love – Edition 182

This past Wednesday was National Potato Chip Day. How did you celebrate?

Gary Taubes tackles the latest red meat scare study, and discusses the problems with epidemiology in general.

As if exercise wasn’t already hard enough for heart disease patients, a recent study now suggests that taking statins increases cellular oxidative stress in muscles during exercise, thus reducing their efficiency.

Hey, did someone finally listen to me? Saratoga High P.E. class just got a whole lot better.

Next time you’re in Copenhagen, be sure to swing by Palæo, the soon-to-open “Primal gastronomy” fast food joint founded by Michelin starred chef Thomas Rode Andersen.

Are veggies cheap?

Our buddy Robb Wolf recently gave a great talk about Paleo at SUNY, and now it’s available to watch.

Is storage a possible Neolithic Agent of Disease? Interesting thoughts by Melissa McEwen.

The disappearing pig.

Recipe Corner

Time Capsule

One year ago (March 12 – March 18)

Comment of the Week

I have a friend who did the Super Colon Blow, he made the mistake of taking it before he went kite surfing on Lake Erie and he wound up getting blown clear over to the opposite side of the lake.

– I’ve been friends with enough raw vegans to know that rob wasn’t totally kidding.

You want comments? We got comments:

Imagine you’re George Clooney. Take a moment to admire your grooming and wit. Okay, now imagine someone walks up to you and asks, “What’s your name?” You say, “I’m George Clooney.” Or maybe you say, “I’m the Clooninator!” You don’t say “I’m George of George Clooney Sells Movies Blog” and you certainly don’t say, “I’m Clooney Weight Loss Plan”. So while spam is technically meat, it ain’t anywhere near Primal. Please nickname yourself something your friends would call you.

  1. what i would do to have access to a paleo fast food restaurant ….

    Jake wrote on March 18th, 2012
    • Never cook again. 😉

      Chris wrote on March 18th, 2012
    • Probably frequent this restaurant more than anyone should be legally entitled to do – sigh——

      PrimalGrandma wrote on March 18th, 2012
    • Actually live in copenhagen so should go and support it! Its pricy though and i has no job :-(

      Pandadude wrote on March 20th, 2012
  2. The veggie cost study is useful, but still no excuse for continued subsidies for corn, etc.

    Dan wrote on March 18th, 2012
    • In my opinion corn and wheat are subsidized becuase of their natural abilities to ward off pests via natural toxins. Those toxins of course have dire consequences for our intestines, but they do make for a crop that should be more resistant to pests. So if, by chance, one lucky strain of pests evolved a resistance to our most prominent pesiticide(s) we wouldn’t lose much crop to them, because corn and wheat have natural pesticides.

      Maybe, if we could wipe out all the pests, the government would stop subsizing “food” meant for birds… Anyone got a flyswatter?

      Matthew Caton wrote on March 18th, 2012
      • If we confuse “healthy” with “long storage,” we should just all eat Twinkies only.

        Dan wrote on March 21st, 2012
  3. Man, I hated PE class. The football players loved tagging everyone’s butt with wet towels. If one stood up to the offender, one had to face the entire team. (I really had fun stomping one of them in a bar fight after I got out of the military.)

    I am not a team player, never have been, and volleyball, basketball, etc., were hell. The only activity I really enjoyed was dodgeball. Soccer was fun because I avoided the crowd around the ball and just ran up and down the field.

    Phocion Timon wrote on March 18th, 2012
  4. Loved “The Disappearing Pig”. I was fortunate enough to attend last year’s Pig Stock 2011 at Mosefund Farms, and slaughtered and butchered a pig there (and am still enjoying the meat).

    The techniques taught in the class were quite a bit different than in the video, but both produce – bacon! (and lots of other great pork cuts).

    John wrote on March 18th, 2012
  5. Thanks for the link love Mark! I celebrated National Potato Chip Day by talking to my daughter about standing up for her beliefs!

    Peggy The Primal Parent wrote on March 18th, 2012
  6. I too am skeptical of the recent research on red meat — above all because, even if we take it at face value, the effect is minuscule. Moving from the lowest quintile to the highest quintile increases your chance of dying of heart disease from 0.8% to 0.9%. Meh…

    However, I’m not sure that the critiques — by Minger, Harcombe, and Taubes — really nail it.

    It’s never possible to control for every possible confound. But the researchers do seem to have controlled for most of the obvious ones. And, more to the point, adding lots of other factors wouldn’t necessarily make much difference. A generally “health conscious” person might do lots of things that improve their health, but all these things are likely to be correlated with each other (ie health conscious people walk more, and smoke less, and buy more organic food, and watch less TV and so on). And because they correlate, adding them to the statistical model doesn’t add any extra information. (For the geeks out there, this is the problem of multicollinearity.)

    Also, it’s not really fair to ay that the study was the equivalent to comparing “Berkeley vegetarians” and “redneck truck drivers”. After all, the participants in the study were all doctors and nurses. I’m sure they varied in their degree of compliance, but not as much as Taubes implied.

    This is not to say that I agree with the study’s findings, just to say that by dismissing it on weak grounds unnecessarily weakens the primal case.

    I’m not sure what an ideal critique would look like… they would certainly include the unreliability (and social desirability effects) of the food questionnaires that were used). But my main objection is that these studies are not putting primal claims to the test. After all, what distinguishes the primal / paleo diet is not its reliance on meat. Rather the primal diet is about replacing bad quality meat with good quality meat, and replacing grains with vegetables and fat. These studies don’t tell us anything about whether this diet is better (or not). So, who cares what they say?! (We are not in the business of defending the consumption of factory-farmed meat!) But as Gary Taubes and the others do point, there are plenty of other studies that have tested versions of these claims, with good results. That’s what you should be citing next time a SADsack upbraids you for ordering the steak.

    Scott wrote on March 18th, 2012
    • RED!!! SCARY!! DON’T EAT!!!

      This organized quackery is insidious.

      I eat pounds upon pounds of ribeye, and on that authority, I hereby challenge anyone of these researchers to outlive me, or even look at me and tell me that I am not one of the healthiest people on the planet.

      You know what would be a great idea for a study? An independent study done on how many studies are designed to intentionally to mislead the public.

      Matthew Caton wrote on March 18th, 2012
    • “Also, it’s not really fair to ay that the study was the equivalent to comparing “Berkeley vegetarians” and “redneck truck drivers”. After all, the participants in the study were all doctors and nurses. I’m sure they varied in their degree of compliance, but not as much as Taubes implied.”

      Speaking of weak logic: the condition of being a nurse doesn’t imply anything about compliance to FFQs. Do we have some evidence that all nurses tend to fill in FFQs with equal veracity? Oh wait, we do: studies on the NHS data have shown that what nurses put on their FFQ and what they were really eating – especially when it came to meat – were very different things. The FFQs were able to predict less than 20% of consumption. Think about that for a moment. Should we infer that the vast majority of nurses are dishonest about filling in FFQs?

      Boom wrote on March 19th, 2012
  7. Go European paleo/primal restaurants!

    Mark: any chance of a restaurant directory?!

    Sian wrote on March 18th, 2012
    • I’m opening a Paleo/Primal fast-casual (eat in or take away) restaurant in London in late Autumn (October/November-ish). Won’t be a huge menu, 5 main dishes, 2 or 3 sides, 2 desserts. Focus will be on quality over quantity. Any Londoners out there – keep an eye out! It’s coming!

      A retaurant directory sounds like a great idea although there’s probably less than 5 purely Primal restaurants in the world right now. I do expect that to increase a lot over the next few years though as more and more people discover this way of living.

      Patrick wrote on March 19th, 2012
      • Cool! Whereabouts in London? Do you have a website / mailing list?

        Scott wrote on March 19th, 2012
        • Most likely will be somewhere in East Central or North London – Shoreditch, Old Street, Angel or maybe a little further north like Camden. But that general vicinity. Couple premises in mind but trying to research where the best locations would be and strike a balance between somewhere half decent but still reasonable rent wise.

          I have the website domain and whatnot but there’s nothing there right now. Too early for that yet. It’ll be up closer to opening.

          With Mark’s permission i will let people know when it’s ready to go. Lot of work to be done in the next 4-6 months before that to get everything ready but just thought i would mention it as something to look forward to to this autumn. Thanks for the interest :)

          Patrick wrote on March 19th, 2012
        • Patrick,
          I’m in London, and I struggle on a daily basis to find places to eat primal in The City, and would welcome the addition. Keep us posted.

          Chris wrote on March 11th, 2013
      • I would also be interested in updates on your restaurant.

        Boom wrote on March 19th, 2012
      • How exciting! I’ll keep an eye out for news (even though it’s the “wrong” side of London for me.

        Tricia wrote on March 20th, 2012
  8. Time Capsule :) It seems I’ve stumbled upon my Mark’s Daily Apple anniversary without knowing it. The Tale of the Cat and Crickets was among the first articles I read.

    samui_sakana wrote on March 18th, 2012
  9. I can’t watch the Robb Wolf video. It says I need to install some stupid Microsoft thing.

    I’m not running Microsoft of course. Who in their right mind would run Microsoft??

    Chris wrote on March 18th, 2012
    • Silverlight is a browser plugin like Flash or Java. A very small one too. You can use it on an Apple computer no worries (just install it) but not on an iPad unfortunately.

      Sam wrote on March 18th, 2012
  10. “Unless you have a spear handy and access to unlimited buffalo, you are going to have a hard time truly eating like a caveman.”

    I’m glad they took the time to make America look like a bunch of idiots.

    Restaurant looks amazing, one more reason I’d rather be living on that side of the pond…

    raney wrote on March 18th, 2012
    • Agreed. I mean, it’s not like there are sources of meat that aren’t CAFO-produced. Moreover, is it not strange to have the physician for the (theoretically) most powerful person in the U.S. speak as though the quality of the meat available is a done deal. As though it were not possible for there to be policy changes etc. that would make better meat available. Ridiculous.

      Boom wrote on March 19th, 2012
    • There is also one in Berlin, Germany. I did not eat there yet, cannot tell how good it is.

      Victor Venema wrote on March 19th, 2012
  11. Excited for that primal restaurant to open. I can see dozens of more opening up over the next 5 years. It’s going to be fun to watch.

    Primal Toad wrote on March 18th, 2012
  12. The oxidative stress is exactly what you would except of statins as they block CoQ10 synthesis.

    Steven wrote on March 18th, 2012
    • I wish more people knew about the benefits intermittent fasting on lipid profiles.

      I hate to see people on statins wasting away, physically and mentally.

      Matthew Caton wrote on March 18th, 2012
  13. Awesome article on storage. Ever since I went primal I’ve made it a point to always have an empty fridge, and walk to the grocery store everyday for what I want to eat. (except for a select few things like eggs and a freezer full of grass-fed beef)

    Rhys wrote on March 18th, 2012
    • Ditto. The past few days have had me rethinking how many gadgets and how much storage space I actually need in my kitchen. The kitchens of newly built houses in the U.S. can be a bit excessive for paleo households.

      Primal Texas wrote on March 18th, 2012
  14. I watched the RW video and found only 1 glaring mistake (aside from some typos). Wolff claims that hunter-gatherers eat lean meat. The archaelogical and anthropological records show exactly the opposite. Hunters hunted most when the animals were likely to be at their fattest and specifically tracked the fattest individual in a herd. I know that Wolff doesn’t want to freak out non-paleo people (he said as much in an interview w/ Jimmy Moore), but he needs to be honest about the findings of research studies.

    jake3_14 wrote on March 18th, 2012
  15. Regarding the frozen vs. fresh veggies, how about considering the taste and texture of each? I can’t eat frozen crucifers, e.g., broccoli brussel sprouts, or cauliflower — they’re mushy and tasteless. Frozen spinach is OK, if dressed up in a curried preparation, but if plain, the differences is obvious.

    jake3_14 wrote on March 18th, 2012
  16. Awesome links. Thanks :)

    Reiko wrote on March 18th, 2012
  17. Living in Copenhagen, I see no reason not to visit Palæo soon 😀
    Although I’m afraid it won’t be cheap.

    Stefan wrote on March 18th, 2012
  18. “‘Bread is the devil,’ says Thomas Rode Andersen, 43, who has created the menu for Palæo and is head chef at the Michelin-starred Kong Hans in Copenhagen.”

    Inspiring and succint passion. If I ever make it to Denmark I will have to find Thomas and shake his hand.

    Matthew Caton wrote on March 18th, 2012
  19. Thanks for the links Mark! That Robb Wolf video was fascinating.

    Rich the Diabetic wrote on March 18th, 2012
  20. It’s open, it’s great, it’s not cheap. But visit anyway!

    Jan Madsen wrote on March 19th, 2012
  21. as a mathematician, I am disappointed at the idea of National Potato Chip Day. We already have 3.14 as Pi Day!

    AlyieCat wrote on March 19th, 2012
  22. I love link love on the weekends!!! That fast food joint sounds like an awesome idea. If only we could open more of these and close down more of mcdonalds!!!

    Sarah @ The Healthy Diva wrote on March 20th, 2012
  23. Patrick, been wanting to get a paleo place going in London for a while now. Let me know if you need help in setting up your restaurant. I have experience from working in restaurants and publishing, so could hopefully attract the right press.

    Best wishes?

    Fabian wrote on December 4th, 2012
  24. I saw someone on a surf-board above the water in a Lake Simcoe Bay. The apparatus they were on was shooting water down toward the lake, giving them lift and torque, and they were balancing on it like a surfer. There was a hose hooked up shooting out the water below. It was amazing. I had to stop and stare for a bit.

    Animanarchy wrote on September 4th, 2013

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