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11 Sep

Weekend Link Love – Edition 159

weekend link loveOn taking antibiotics, Martin Blaser of New York University’s Langone Medical Center says, “Early evidence from my lab and others hints that, sometimes, our friendly flora never fully recover.” (emphasis mine) Read the rest over at Wired.

Turns out humans interbred with more than just Neanderthals.

Science Daily reports on the advantages of heavy chocolate consumption and high-intensity exercise. Though they didn’t specify what would happen if you tried to do both at the same time.

And, the trouble with tribbles.

Synthetic sausages, anyone? Anyone?

How do you get people to eat bugs? That’s what a European Commission is asking, and they’re offering millions of dollars for the best answer.

Find out what an expert over at CNN has to say about the Paleo fad diet and let me know what you think in the comment board.

To all those that have experienced power outages in the Southwest, look on the bright side.

Ummm… (Hat tip to my man Eric for this link and numerous others.)

Finally, yet another reason to eat real food.

Recipe Corner

Time Capsule

Two year ago (Sep 6 – Sept 12)

Comment of the Week

Just started PB lifestyle a week ago!!! Excited to join the fun.

- islandwahine gearing up for this year’s Primal Blueprint 30-Day Challenge.

You want comments? We got comments:

Imagine you’re George Clooney. Take a moment to admire your grooming and wit. Okay, now imagine someone walks up to you and asks, “What’s your name?” You say, “I’m George Clooney.” Or maybe you say, “I’m the Clooninator!” You don’t say “I’m George of George Clooney Sells Movies Blog” and you certainly don’t say, “I’m Clooney Weight Loss Plan”. So while spam is technically meat, it ain’t anywhere near Primal. Please nickname yourself something your friends would call you.

  1. Thank you for adding a link to the anti-biotics article!

    I took anti-biotics for many many years as a teenager and in my early twenties. I am convinced that they destroyed my gut permanently because I have never been able to get back to “normal.” I have to eat an all meat diet and avoid fiber, fruit, and starch completely, despite having been paleo for 6 years.

    My gut is quite well as long as I eat a totally carnivorous diet, but I’ve always wondered exactly why. This research may lend some insight. I can’t wait to look into it further.

    Peggy The Primal Parent wrote on September 11th, 2011
    • So all you eat is meat? Confused!

      Meagan wrote on September 11th, 2011
      • Meagan, you should go check out Peggy’s blog…it’s really enlightening!

        Tara wrote on September 11th, 2011
  2. “2. The diet eliminates all grains, including whole grains, which are a good source of vitamins, minerals, antioxidants and heart healthy fiber, and foods such as beans, peanuts and sweet potatoes, all of which have numerous health-promoting qualities.”

    Whole grains a good source of vitamins, minterals, anti-oxidants and fiber? And this is supposed to be an expert talking? This is why I don’t listen to governmental nutritional advice anymore :)

    Mauricio wrote on September 11th, 2011
  3. PS LOL at the comments on the CNN column – the ‘expert’ got absolutely destroyed by almost everybody.

    Mauricio wrote on September 11th, 2011
    • I know! I never read CNN comments anymore because they tend to be dominated by trolls, but I peeked at these and the ones I saw were really coherent and intelligent. Way to go, ancestral nutrition community!

      Melantha wrote on September 12th, 2011
  4. re: CNN article

    A while ago I subscribed to a Google news alert for “paleo diet” – so now I hear about every news article Google finds on the topic. After a month or so of reading the articles Google has found for me, I’m about to unsubscribe from that alert. Why? Because *all the articles are stupid*. It’s just amazing.

    If you ever want to be depressed about the absurd advice government agencies and dietitians give, if you want to be depressed at how journalists (working for a salary, yet!) can get the facts SO wrong, this is the way to do it. Yup, just read what they say about paleo and you’ll be ready to give up on the mainstream press forever.

    Mar wrote on September 11th, 2011
    • Any time I read something in the press about a topic I know a little about it is shocking to see just how badly the “journalists” get most all the facts wrong. I make sure to keep that in mind when I’m reading articles on topics I’m not familiar with so I remember that I’m being fed BS.

      Starshine wrote on September 11th, 2011
      • This has been my experience exactly. And having worked as a copy editor, I know that putting scare quotes around the word “journalists” is quite appropriate.

        Shebeeste wrote on September 11th, 2011
      • I’m glad you said this. It helps me be a little less depressed and/or alarmed by what I just read before turning to MDA for my daily dose of sanity:

        http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2011/sep/11/obesity-food-appetite-suppressant

        One doesn’t know whether to blame Big Pharma, scare-quoted “journalists” or a combination of the two. Ah well.

        Karen F wrote on September 11th, 2011
        • I wouldn’t take an appetite-suppresion drug. Sometimes I’ll drink a bunch of coffee for energy and appetite suppression if food is scarce and I want to more comfortably make it through a forced fast but I can barely maintain, let alone gain weight unless I regularly stuff myself or be less active than I prefer.. thus I basically rely on occasionally lazing around with a strong case of the munchies to take care of my body composition.

          Animanarchy wrote on September 13th, 2011
      • “Any time I read something in the press about a topic I know a little about it is shocking to see just how badly the ‘journalists’ get most all the facts wrong.”

        That is because journalists do not do any independent research. They consult “experts”, get the “experts’” opinions, and then just trust what they say and repeat it in print. They don’t do what Gary Taubes does.

        Richie wrote on September 11th, 2011
        • Pssst… Taubes IS a “journalist”.

          Perhaps the worst of them all.

          chima_p wrote on September 12th, 2011
    • I did the same with the news alert, and I couldn’t have said it better myself… amen

      Burn wrote on September 11th, 2011
  5. LOL. I love the advice given to the poster in the “fad” diet. She didn’t ask whether it was a fad diet, but the “expert” congratulated her on avoiding the fad diet.
    Of course we need more milk, and grains… we couldn’t live without them processed whole grains see… you know the ones – roundup ready soybeans, GMO wheat, and all the byproducts therin. Indeed, where would we be today without the “advances?”

    Jason Sandeman wrote on September 11th, 2011
  6. Thank you for the interesting links!
    I think that nutritionist – she probably doesn’t have much option than to follow the government guidelines. I mean, for instance, many doctors & medical professionals know something is better than the other, but are not really allowed to express their opinion in public, right?
    Anyways, I’m reading “Deep Nutrition – why your genes need traditional food” and it looks like the book’s gonna change my life!

    Stephanie @ Aspiring wrote on September 11th, 2011
  7. Excellent links. But really, who expected a CNN advice column to be anywhere in the same realm as correct?

    Whiskey wrote on September 11th, 2011
  8. I think the Paleo commenters on CNN have done a fabulous job of staying calm and being very precise with their responses. They have included both personal accounts of blood work and methodical rebuttals to her individual arguments against the “diet” overall. Thanks for all the resources, Mark. They give everyone solid ammunition to keep up the good fight!

    Neil wrote on September 11th, 2011
    • I couldn’t agree more! When I went to the link I read through it…quickly…since I’ve already heard all of the faulty arguments that she had to offer. Then I went to the comments and about four paragraphs down was a comment from someone thanking everyone for the informative and calm comments, and (s)he is going to look into the diet. That right there is a WIN for our community. It proves that we are educated, willing to take on a spirited debate (often among ourselves) and rather than snubbing those who follow CW, we want to educate them! I am proud of us, and, as I’ve said many times before, incredibly thankful for everyone who is part of this great step forward!

      Sara wrote on September 11th, 2011
  9. I never expected a link to Icanhascheezburger here but thanks for it. LOL

    Harry wrote on September 11th, 2011
  10. I am frustrated with the “expert” on the CNN article but very very happy with the comments in the article. The saddest part is that most people who read this will only read the “expert opinion” and not bother with the comments. *shakes head*

    Dawn wrote on September 11th, 2011
  11. The article on the blackout echoes what I and everyone I know felt–it was a great, relaxing, experience. Wish we could schedule one every week–you could actually see stars in the night sky, and people got together and talked to each other.

    Catalina wrote on September 11th, 2011
    • That’s actually a really good idea, scheduling a blackout every week! It couldn’t be for too long as peoples meat would thaw, but maybe for a couple of hours so we can all see what it is like to be “unplugged” :) I love it! I might just pretend to have a blackout on my own, but I wouldn’t be able to see the stars :(

      Robin wrote on September 12th, 2011
  12. Talk about floundering journalism (re: CNN).. I just don’t understand why we can build an atomic bomb, explore the depths of our universe, and transport ourselves across the world in less than a day but can’t freakin agree on what “healthy eating” encompasses ?! And yes, ditto on the kudos to the calm & respectful comments from the paleo community .. It speaks for itself when the paleo folks are keeping their cool but “others” are getting themselves tied up in a knot..

    Liv wrote on September 11th, 2011
    • The answer to that question is simple: too many people with too much money at stake. And all those people are lobbying the government daily to have their food labelled as healthy. Sadly this also infects the academic side of nutrition, where CW is the company line and goddamit, you’d better toe it if you want to make it in this business…

      Peter wrote on September 11th, 2011
  13. Does anybody have any sources for McKenna’s assertion that “children routinely receive up to 20 courses of antibiotics before they reach adulthood”? I looked for a while without finding anything. If this is true…

    Dan wrote on September 11th, 2011
    • Oops, forgot to click the reply button, Yes, just google ‘children routinely receive up to 20 courses of antibiotics before they reach adulthood’, I got several hits including this one: “Evidence now indicates that antibiotic use leads to permanent…”

      “In a provocative editorial published this week in Nature, Martin Blaser of New York Universitys Langone Medical Center argues that antibiotics impact on gut bacteria is permanent and so serious in its long-term consequences that medicine should consider whether to restrict antibiotic prescribing to pregnant women and young children.”

      And in the next graph: “Blaser points out that the organism is vulnerable to the same antibiotics that are prescribed to children for ear infections and colds and that children routinely receive up to 20 courses of antibiotics before they reach adulthood.”

      cancerclasses wrote on September 11th, 2011
      • That’s the source the quote is from in the first place. I was wondering what the basis for that quote itself was because of how staggered I was when I read the claim.

        Dan wrote on September 11th, 2011
        • Ahh, ok. The basis would be current clinical practice and the medical system’s recent and modern affinity for vaccination in general. If you google search ‘over vaccination’ or ‘vaccination’ or ‘innoculation rates’ I’m sure you can find a plethora of research and articles on the subject.

          Generally kids these days are subjected to WAY more pharmaceuticals than I or people of my generation ever were (although I’ve had a few rounds myself in my 54 years) perpetrated on the basis of “public health and safety”, and particularly as part of the U.S. public school system requirements. When there are movements to administer vaccines for Human Papilloma Virus to 10 year old boys and girls AT SCHOOL it’s easy to see that the whole vaccination imperative of the public “officials” has gotten WAY out of hand.

          cancerclasses wrote on September 11th, 2011
        • Don’t confuse vaccination and antibiotics. They do different things in different ways. Vaccinations work against viruses and antibiotics are for bacteria. One reason we are “over-antibiotic-ed” is that people demand antibiotics for viral infections… which is a total waste.

          kt wrote on September 12th, 2011
    • No source, but my own n=1 would have me easily hitting that mark, probably before puberty, with just ear infections and occasional strep throat.

      Stacey wrote on September 11th, 2011
    • Well, it certainly sounds about right in my case. I had maybe a dozen ear infections, some tooth extractions, other bacterial illnesses, etc. that I was routinely prescribed antibiotics for. I would think I have certainly had 20 or more courses over my lifetime, and I’m 23.

      I’ve also had chronic digestive issues (constipation, IBS), my entire life, which eating paleo and taking probiotics every day seem to have been slowly healing over the past year.

      Uncephalized wrote on September 11th, 2011
      • Don’t know if the people here know it or not, but Mark Sisson is good buddies with Doug Kaufmann and often appears on Doug’s Know The Cause TV show as a regular guest talking about diet, nutrition and health.

        Doug says that anyone that has taken ANY antibiotics ever in their life would be wise to supplement their diet with a round or tw, (or however many it takes to restore your gut health) of a good probiotic, kefir and other fermented foods to help repopulate the gut with the intestinal flora that are crucial for proper digestion and absorption of vitamin and mineral nutrient content of foods.

        Doug runs ads for and recommends Dr. Ohira’s probiotics as among the best in terms of quality, purity and effectiveness, but there are others that may be as good. I’ve used the Dr. Ohira’s and have no complaints.

        cancerclasses wrote on September 11th, 2011
  14. Read a recent comment on Mercola recently that I am stealing, and going to use when people try to argue the grains vs fat point with me, i.e. grains being “healthy” and low-fat, while fats are unhealthy and cause obesity.

    Point: Grain-fed cows are fed grains for a reason…the cows are twice the weight of grass-fed at slaughter, and much fattier. Hmmmm. If eating FAT causes obesity, and GRAINS keep you lean and healthy…why don’t commercial beef producers feed their cattle FAT instead of GRAINS to fatten them up?

    It’s amazingly clear. Grains fatten up the cattle.

    This simple argument is irrefutable and really tees is up for me, it’s so obvious.

    Peter wrote on September 11th, 2011
    • That’s brilliant. I love it.

      Stacey wrote on September 11th, 2011
      • Peter they actually tried that back inthe 40′s. They fed cattle coconut oil thinking itwould fatten them up. Instead they lost weight!

        Dave, RN wrote on September 11th, 2011
    • Well, sure, except for the whole part where humans are not the same as cows, it makes perfect sense.

      (I don’t think you’re wrong about grain, I just don’t like extrapolating metabolic responses across mammals that are in entirely different orders and don’t share any of the same lifestyle or dietary needs)

      Uncephalized wrote on September 11th, 2011
      • You might not like it, but in the case of mammals it’s accurate and true. The primary metabolic pathway of dietary fat in mammals is beta oxidation. There is NO biological mechanism in the human body for dietary fat and lipids to store as excess body fat. See Brian Peskin dot com, click on “THE SCIENCE, NOT OPINION,
        E-NEWSLETTER” down the left column.

        cancerclasses wrote on September 11th, 2011
      • Cows are vegetarians, we are omnivores, I get that. So let’s not compare humans to cows. Let’s compare cows to cows.

        The grass-fed half angus I just bought came from a whole cow that weighted 750 pounds. Commercially produced grain-fed angus weigh 1400 lbs. Hmmmm.

        Sorry, but I can’t help but to extrapolate and translate that to my experience as a human.

        I prefer to be the lean, grass-fed cow, not the fat grain-fed cow. Mooooooo!!!!

        Peter wrote on September 11th, 2011
    • And Mercola stole that from fungal mycologist Doug Kaufmann at Knowthecause dot com who has been saying that on his TV show for years.

      And it’s not just the grains that case obesity, as Doug says “What makes bread rise? YEAST!” And research done by Dr. A.V. Costatini, former director of the World Health Organization and also mycologist Ruth A. Etzel, MD, PhD., the world’s grain supply, mostly the corn but also wheat, is commonly contaminated with fungal mycotoxins that survive temperatures as high as 400 or 500 degrees Fahrenheit in the “industrial” food manufacturing process and then enter the human food supply.

      So commercially raised cattle have a DOUBLE exposure to mycotoxins, first by being fed contaminated grains that ALSO are treated with antibiotics which are themselves fungal mycotoxins! It’s no wonder they blow up & get fat, is it any wonder then that a high grain based carb diet in combination with overuse of antibiotics has the same fattening effect on humans??

      cancerclasses wrote on September 11th, 2011
      • Aha! Its long been known that prophylactic, low-level antibiotic use in cattle and pigs causes them to gain more weight than animals not given antibiotics. Antibiotics aren’t given to supress disease as much as to create more meat.

        So surely the best way for people to lose weight is take antibiotics for every sniffle and eat lots of whole grains…..its all starting to make sense…..

        fitmom wrote on September 11th, 2011
    • Not so fast…

      Grains do indeed fatten up cattle & they do indeed fatten them up quicker.

      HOWEVER, as a grass-fed cattle producer, I can say this with 100% certainty… grain-fed cattle ARE NOT twice the size of grass-fed cattle primarily because of their diet. The “twice the size” difference (which is not always the case) is due mostly to the animals genetics, not because of their diets. Typically, smaller framed cattle are used for grass finishing, although not always, because they will typically fatten easier on grass alone when compared to larger framed cattle that were bred to be fattened on grain.

      I raise Lowline Angus & I have some full sized cattle too. I can tell you that the biggest 100% Lowline Angus steer would probably never finish any heavier than 900 lbs. & it would not matter whether it was fed grass or if it was pigging out on grain. However, a typical full sized Angus would have to be taken to a weight well over 1,200+ lbs. to truly be considered finished on either grass or grain.

      FWIW, I just sold 2 grassfed animals… One weighed 645 lbs. The other weighed 1165 lbs. The diet was exactly the same, as they were raised at the same location. What was the difference? The smaller animal had more smaller framed genetics (more Lowline) in here pedigree than the the bigger animal.

      The biggest difference between a grass fed animal & a grain fed animal is this… Grass fed animals take around 6-12 months longer to reach their finished weight than do grain fed animals, as they grow & fatten slower. Grass fed’s are typically finished around 20-28 months & grain feds are typically finished around 14-18 months.

      So, yes, grains do fatten cattle & they do accelerate that process. However, grains absolutely DO NOT double the size of cattle!!!!

      TJ wrote on September 12th, 2011
  15. Yes, just google ‘children routinely receive up to 20 courses of antibiotics before they reach adulthood’, I got several hits including this one: “Evidence now indicates that antibiotic use leads to permanent…”

    “In a provocative editorial published this week in Nature, Martin Blaser of New York Universitys Langone Medical Center argues that antibiotics impact on gut bacteria is permanent and so serious in its long-term consequences that medicine should consider whether to restrict antibiotic prescribing to pregnant women and young children.”

    And in the next graph: “Blaser points out that the organism is vulnerable to the same antibiotics that are prescribed to children for ear infections and colds and that children routinely receive up to 20 courses of antibiotics before they reach adulthood.”

    cancerclasses wrote on September 11th, 2011
  16. I would gladly eat bugs for free. You would have to pay me, however, to eat lab-grown mystery meat.

    Cam wrote on September 11th, 2011
    • We are so arrogant to think we can replicate the nutritional profile of naturally-grown animal foods in a lab. I would never rely on lab-grown meat as a dietary staple unless it was tested on other people in large numbers for 50 years or so first.

      In other words, not happening in my lifetime.

      Uncephalized wrote on September 11th, 2011
    • I’d rather eat the fresh eggs of the chickens that eat the bugs and lizards. Bugs & bacon? Not so much. EGGS & BACON, YES! But I bet bacon wrapped bugs wouldn’t be too bad, if you use enough bacon ANYTHING tastes good.

      cancerclasses wrote on September 11th, 2011
      • Speaking of which, that’ll be their next marketing ploy, bacon wrapped mystery meat, just watch!

        cancerclasses wrote on September 11th, 2011
  17. Oh, no! I follow a fad diet! It’s okay, CNN. I didn’t care what you thought anyway :)

    Anne wrote on September 11th, 2011
  18. Ugh…”expert advice”. It seriously makes me ill to read her answer. It’s that sort of advice that got most of us sick and fat in the first place.

    I fear it’s going to take a long time before paleo is considered the way to eat. Or at least a “normal” option!

    Anna wrote on September 11th, 2011
    • How long did it take for vegetarianism to become an acceptable, non-fad diet? Didn’t it show up in the mid-late 1800′s in Western Culture a la Harvey Kellogg and his sanitariums? IIRC it was the 1990′s when you restaurants started offering vegetarian meal options.

      With technology the way it is nowadays, I predict it will take about half the time. If you count the starting point as Cordain’s book in 1994 (?), then maybe sometime in the middle of this century — depends on how hard the corporate interests push back, though.

      chipin wrote on September 12th, 2011
  19. Strict paleo is to primal as vegan is to vegetarian. Paleo is eminently doable (I’ve done “the whole 30″ which was instructive) but not necessary.

    I don’t particularly consider either to be a “diet” at all in the sense of do this for a period of time and then stop doing it. As for fad, it’s probably not quite at that stage yet, I’d call it a curiosity. Better yet a snowball at the top of a hill. As more people have positive results, long term, for any variety of issues I think eventually it will become the standard of care. I give 25-30 years for it to happen.

    IvyBlue wrote on September 11th, 2011
    • “Paleo is eminently doable (I’ve done “the whole 30″ which was instructive) but not necessary.”

      …for you. Some people have more issues with occasional cheats, dairy, etc. and need to comply closer to 100% paleo to really optimize health and get lean. I am discovering that I am one of these people, and that I really need to keep my consumption of dairy close to zero and my cheats almost nonexistent to see the results I want.

      Uncephalized wrote on September 11th, 2011
      • I drink 2 gallons of RAW goats milk each week since starting Primal.
        Here is what I’ve noticed. Milk (raw) does NOT go well together with vegetables or any other plant.

        I was stuck at a certain weight, thought it was the raw milk, gave it up and for some odd reason my overall carb consumption now went up through vegetables (lots of stews) and fruit (snacks). I started to GAIN even more weight ditching the milk.
        My poo also got hard again and slow moving…giving me a bloated belly and discomfort.
        I then switched the 2 around, NO plant matter but drink 2 gallons of RAW milk again…TADA! Thin, flat belly, no gases, no discomfort, the final last 5 lbs of weight loss achieved.

        I am 100% with Peggy the Primal Parent.
        A carnivorous diet is the best way to eat, adding only tiny amounts of plant matter like onions, chives or cilantro, etc.
        Vegetables’ indigestible fibers linger around in your gut getting fermented and building gases the entire time. Also, the entire time, even when passed the stomach, it keeps triggering insulin production, because indigestible fibers CAN’T and WON’T be digested, EVER.

        Arty wrote on September 12th, 2011
        • That’s interesting… I’ve really started seeing better results since I’ve been eating more meat and less vegetables and dairy (pasteurized) I will have to find a good source of raw goats milk (I’ve been meaning to do this for years)and try your approach. It might just be what I need to get me the rest of the way to my goals! Thanks Arty!

          Robin wrote on September 12th, 2011
  20. Thanks for the recipe link love on my beef shanks! That one is SUPER easy… so easy you can make it in your sleep :)

    Diane wrote on September 11th, 2011
  21. That CNN ‘Expert’ didn’t answer the question at all.
    She says it’s a fad diet but then admits we all need to eat real, fresh, not processed foods.
    She contradicts herself over and over, explains what Paleo is, which wasn’t the question…and then states the Cons to make sure she won’t be killed next week by some black SUV at an intersection…/hint.

    She left the person asking the question in the dark and scared her away by calling this a FAD DIET.

    Our ancestors (up to about 10k years ago) must’ve been absolutely exhausted dieting day in day out for millions of years. Finally, we evolved and gotten smart enough to harvest grains so we can be healthy. Oh the irony.

    Arty wrote on September 11th, 2011
    • LOL. Seriously, our poor ancestors were on fad diets for dozens of years ..

      ChrisNunz wrote on September 11th, 2011
  22. Right on! I love the support for paleo/primal shown on the CNN website. Hopefully Courtney will read the comments section and see the truth behind this misguided advice.

    This definitely shows that Paleo is mainstream and not a fad :)

    Jeff wrote on September 11th, 2011
  23. I WENT TO THE CNN PAGE AND SIGNED UP…AND NEVER SAW A PLACE TO COMMENT ANYWHERE…..ITS PROBABLY BETTER I DIDNT FIND IT..OR IT DIDNT WORK …I SAW NO PLACE THAT SAID LEAVE A COMMENT..THE SOUND OFF ICON WAS A BLANK..
    BUT WE ALL KNOW THAT ANYONE WITH A WESTERN DEGREE IN ANYTHING MEDICAL IS BRAINWASHED BY WHAT IT TAKES TO PASS THE “TEST” TO GET T
    WE GROK!!!..AND WE KNOW WHAT WE DO WORKS!!! THEY DONT KNOW ANYTHING EXCEPT THE SAME OLE JUNK THEY GET FED YEAR AFTER YEAR AFTER YEAR>>>

    Daveman wrote on September 11th, 2011
    • Dave you need to send her your story and photos and show her how the unsustainable “fad” worked for you!

      Peter wrote on September 11th, 2011
  24. I believe the major misconception of paleo is that its only function is as a weight loss tool. Most of the public seems to be unaware of the health problems that this 3,000,000 year old fad diet is solving for so many people.

    Rinn wrote on September 11th, 2011
  25. Most of the public seems to be unaware of the health problems that this 50 year old high carb industrial “food” fad diet is creating for so many people by eating TRANS fats and avoiding the good natural saturated fats and cholesterols in animal proteins that are CRUCIAL for cellular structure, hormone production and regulation and immune system health and disease resistance.

    But that’s because most people get their nutritional advice from the human parrots in the media and their primary “care” physicians that had only 1 week, or 2 if they were REALLY well trained, of nutrition education 20 to 40 years ago that was given by a fat, sick and heart diseased professor that was parroting the conventional wisdom instead of teaching established physiological and biochemical scientific fact.

    And so here we are now living in a time where the masses consider adherence to scientific truths to be a “fad”. Sad.

    cancerclasses wrote on September 11th, 2011
  26. The CNN “expert” contradicts her entire argument in her closing!

    “Overall, I would steer clear of the Paleo diet, but we can take away something from our ancestors by eating foods closer to their natural state (less processed), which are more nutrient-dense and digested more slowly by the body. In most cases, they lead to better hunger control, more stable blood sugar levels and weight loss if calories are reduced and exercise is increased (as it sounds like they are in your case).”

    jeff wrote on September 11th, 2011
  27. To be fair, she more than likely does have to stick with the ADA and USDA guidelines. I’m a nutrition student now frustrated with all my classes and assignments. I just have to suck it up for 2 more years until I can put “RD” after my name and tell people what I really think!

    Alex wrote on September 11th, 2011
    • Yes, but remember, dentists had their license taken away because they agreed that mercury fillings are poison…and removed them for patients.

      Now, they’re called holistic dentists and have some extra schooling of some sort to deal with toxic materials.

      Arty wrote on September 12th, 2011
  28. Regarding the chocolate study, I came across this response from an expert:

    “Cocoa butter, although a rich source of saturated fatty acids, does not raise cholesterol much because the major saturated fatty acid in it is stearic acid, which neither raises nor lowers cholesterol.”

    This is the first time I have seen some sort of differentiation between types of saturated fat. Maybe some experts are starting to open their minds to sat fat. They’re still wedded to the calorie in/calorie out theory though.

    Source: http://www.nzdoctor.co.nz/un-doctored/2011/august-2011/30/experts-respond-chocolate-consumption-and-heart-health.aspx

    Jo wrote on September 11th, 2011
  29. I’m excited and a little scared to start the 30 day primal challenge today. I have tried to go primal before but couldn’t seem to kick bread. wish me luck…

    tasha wrote on September 11th, 2011
    • good luck! Just keep plenty of good snacks on hand for when you get the cravings.

      for me, when I’m craving carbs, FAT cures the crave – not protein – FAT.

      I can do low levels of dairy, and find that a coffee or a cocoa (just using plain cocoa powder – no sugar) with real whipping cream hits the luxury spot without spinning me into carb land.

      homehandymum wrote on September 12th, 2011
    • Buy nut flours and make your own dough!

      Also, RAW honey, fruit and RAW milk are very good and nutritious foods that will help you get over the craving/headache. Your brain is going to protest like mad, burning fat for fuel is something your body will have to be taught with tough love.

      Don’t give up (or in!). It’ll get better, real better. It took me about 6 months to be able to walk by the bakery and all the bread smells in the store and not give in. Now I walk by and gag…all I smell is the toxins.

      Arty wrote on September 12th, 2011
  30. It’s surprising the extent to which anti-paleo arguments are based on the assumption of consumer incompetence.

    “Paleo is expensive”
    “People can’t figure out how to get cancium without dairy”
    “whole grains have a lot of different nutrients in them, and people aren’t likely to eat enough fruits and vegetables to compensate”

    As a poor college student who easily could have got by fine without eating healthy, I had absolutely no trouble with sticking to this kind of eating style.

    Also, I can’t believe all this fiber/saturated fat/dietary cholesterol BS is still hanging on. Why do I feel like none of these doctors have actually read the research on this?

    Josh Frey wrote on September 11th, 2011
    • Probably because they haven`t! LOL!

      Robin wrote on September 12th, 2011
  31. Charlton Heston was right, Soylent Green… it’s people!!! really where do the stem cells come from for these Synthetic Sausages.

    Dasbutch wrote on September 11th, 2011
  32. As for the CNN expert’s view of the “fad diet” thank god we have choices. As for me, I’m a statistical person, you can’t argue logic. Where’s her Ben Franklin close? She didn’t list any of the pros.

    Dasbutch wrote on September 11th, 2011
  33. “Science Daily reports on the advantages of heavy chocolate consumption and high-intensity exercise. Though they didn’t specify what would happen if you tried to do both at the same time.”

    The Simpsons addressed this:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1d4eLzUD-0I

    Alex wrote on September 11th, 2011
  34. Regarding Real food:

    ….and a better reason to avoid Walmart.

    ….and a better reason still to rethink the cleaners you use in your home.

    chipin wrote on September 11th, 2011
  35. Regarding the CNN article.

    The comments were better than the article. Even the Vegetarian was for the paleo diet.

    chipin wrote on September 11th, 2011
  36. Re European Commission’s bug eating plan. I happen to be from the EU, so I’m always a bit skeptic when it comes to the venerable EC. So I tried to locate some info about that plan at the EC’s web page, to no avail. Anyone there with a valid link to any solid piece of information about the bugs-will-save-the-EU plan??

    Jan

    Jan Rendek wrote on September 12th, 2011
  37. Hi All,

    I just started the low carb diet two weeks ago. My triglicerides are (are you sitting down?) over 700. Yeah that isn’t a typo. I am type 2, with high blood pressure too. but I have been very successful for two weeks, six pounds loss and not craving sugar at all. I am so full. I tripped over this website today and have to tell you I am even more inspired. My husband is coming on board too.. (I am chief cook and grocery shopper) and my kids will be on board soon also. I have mild ADD and notice it a bit in my five year old daughter.. but I have great hope now with diet changes.

    Amy wrote on September 12th, 2011
    • Amy, Welcome to the best community, EVER!:)

      I was told that I had adult ADD. It turns out that I was just being poisoned by the standard American diet. I’ve been primal for a year which has been the happiest, most productive and most satisfying year of my nearly 40 years.

      C’mon in. Take your shoes off. Stay awhile.

      Chris wrote on September 12th, 2011
    • Good start Amy!
      I am 59, Type 2 Diabetic, High Blood Pressure, taking lots of MEDs for the symptoms. I’ve been Primal for six months now. My Dr is AMAZED at my bloodwork. We are starting to cut back on my MEDs, and watching my bloodwork. Taking it slow per Dr orders, but making MAJOR strides. I’ve lost 30lbs, my energy level is OUTTA SITE, I wear minimalist shoes with comfort, rather than orthotics and CW shoes. My daughter has changed from trying to be Vegan to Primal because she is losing weight and gaining muscle (in a good way). My wife is becoming more Primal each day because she feels so MUCH better, and stopped gaining weight. IT WORKS, it is a Lifestyle that you can definitely LIVE With! Good Luck!

      grokdaddy wrote on September 14th, 2011
  38. Way to go Amy!! Keep it up!!!

    JoAnne Isgro wrote on September 12th, 2011
  39. The Wired article was wise to mention cesarean babies as missing out on colonization from the birth canal, but failed to mention breastmilk substitutes – formula is sterile while colostrum aids in healthy colonization. Infant guts are also “open” and are damaged by artificial “food.” a baby born surgically and who is fed fake food from the start gets a double blow – no healthy bacteria and gut damage to boot. And then consider our culture tendency to introduce solids WAY too soon (my pediatrician recommended rice cereal and apple juice at four months…yikes)…the process starts long before childhood antibiotics.

    Susie wrote on September 12th, 2011
    • This is very true.
      I am the product of severe malnutrition and Ersatz food.
      I was born prematurely, then fed Ersatz food in the hospital until I was ‘alive’ enough to go home with my mother. I was about 2 months old and my mother already had me on boiled carrots and boiled potatoes…told so by doctors.
      I was given pasteurized/homogenized milk. I grew up with a big bloated belly that everybody made fun of. I learned to tuck it in. I had hard stools and constipation my entire life. I felt aweful, as a kid under 10 yrs of age I had year around sinus infections. As a teenager, the sinus infections continued, then suffered from tooth decay (my mother thought pudding and canned fruits makes a good lunch).
      My hair was brittle, my fingernail peeled off backwards, my eyesight went bad, constant headaches, digestive problems got worse. I looked ‘normal’ to everyone but myself.
      My entire life I had the feeling that I was a defective human. Something was missing and I had no clue what. I wasn’t 100%, EVER. Tired, exhausted, bloated, acne, dark circles, + all the other stuff I’ve mentioned continued. Sinus infections, hard stools, etc…

      Good Lord, is this what all adults feel like? Where do people get their energy from? Why isn’t anyone else bitching about this? Am I the only one that feels like this? What is wrong with me!? If this is what humans have to live with and go through I really don’t want to be human.

      Because of this defective feeling I chose not to have children, which is alright because I married a man that felt the way I did and now we just rescue dogs :-) and help out others in need.
      Since going primal, I finally not only eat and move primally, I also feel primal. If that makes any sense…

      Issabeau wrote on September 12th, 2011
  40. I would not trust anything from a person that works for CNN/mainstream media

    Sylvia Jimenez wrote on September 12th, 2011

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