Marks Daily Apple
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8 May

Weekend Link Love

weekend link loveDr. Briffa presents the case for vitamin D as an athletic performance enhancer, calling it “solar power.” Clever.

Stick-wielding Swedish male backs down an angry moose, albeit a baby one. Man the hunter, indeed (although I’d like to see him up against a full-grown moose).

Statins certainly lower LDL, if you’re into that sorta thing, but they may also lower your ability to put on lean mass. A new study shows that middle-aged men who gained the most muscle mass also had the highest LDL. Interesting (also interesting that muscle pain is a common complaint of statin-takers…) correlation.

Paleo Baby gnaws bones, poops solid, sleeps deep, cries little, shows muscle, and makes parents of other babies sullen, jealous, and despondent. Read how the Hawaiian Libertarian made it happen.

Medieval recipes for all things meat.

Here’s a comprehensive review of the new Inov-8 Bare-Grip 200 minimalist shoes. Whadya say, MDA readers? Do Inov-8s sound like a good barefoot alternative?

Reader Aaron Rentfrew’s experience with PB fitness gets coverage in the Miami NewTimes. Then the next day, they covered his buddy’s experience with the diet.

Recipe Corner

  • Getting medieval with pourcelet farci: suckling pig stuffed with pork, pork liver, egg yolks, brie, and chestnuts. I told you old timey stuff was the best.
  • Chili powder? Check. Ground espresso? Check? Pork ribs? Check. Dry-rubbed espresso chili slow cooker ribs from Feasting on Fitness.

Time Capsule

One year ago (May 2 – May 9)

Comment of the Week

“Insect legs in baked goods really aren’t a big deal. At least they’re cooked thoroughly.”

- Commenter Uncephalized.

You want comments? We got comments:

Imagine you’re George Clooney. Take a moment to admire your grooming and wit. Okay, now imagine someone walks up to you and asks, “What’s your name?” You say, “I’m George Clooney.” Or maybe you say, “I’m the Clooninator!” You don’t say “I’m George of George Clooney Sells Movies Blog” and you certainly don’t say, “I’m Clooney Weight Loss Plan”. So while spam is technically meat, it ain’t anywhere near Primal. Please nickname yourself something your friends would call you.

  1. That moose’s mind must be going insane. What the hell is that dude trying to do?!

    Awesome medieval times meat recipe list! I bookmarked that one.

    I prefer being barefoot over anything else. Vibrams allow me to be close to that experience. I prefer sandals when I am out so I can easily slip them off and be truly barefoot. When I can afford it I will be buying some luna sandals or will just make my own.

    Primal Toad wrote on May 8th, 2011
  2. I think the moose seems to be vacillating between the thought: “What ARE you doing?” and: “Fuck this shit, I’m going home”

    Re: medieval recipes. As a historian I’m compelled to point out that meat & similar luxury foods were a privilege of the nobility & royalty. For the avarage medieval man the most common food item was bread, the poor bastards.

    Malin wrote on May 8th, 2011
  3. My favorite link this week was probably “Paleo Baby.” Someone having the balls to do all of that is pretty amazing, and I’m really happy that it’s going well.

    Brett K wrote on May 8th, 2011
    • I agree completely!

      Primal Palate wrote on May 8th, 2011
      • Ditto. In a land where women have had their babies taken away for breastfeeding too long, this probably looks like infanticide.

        Nina wrote on May 8th, 2011
        • But that Hawaiian Libertarian guy is kind of a jerk. Have you read the rest of his posts about never really apologizing if you treated your girlfriend badly? Apparently that makes you “beta” and that’s no good. I guess there’s no possibility of equality in his world.

          shannon wrote on May 8th, 2011
        • @ Shannon -

          You’re misconstruing his advice re: girlfriends/wives. I won’t get into the nitty gritty on MDA, but he definitely respects/cares for his wife, of that I can guarantee.

          Evan wrote on May 9th, 2011
  4. It does take balls I’ll attest to that!

    I did all the same things from before conception, through pregnancy, and into childhood with my daughter. You do feel really alone and it’s scary at first because you’re wondering if all this isn’t just bullshit, but then the results are so obvious and so quick that it gets easier to keep the courage going.

    You can read about my pregnancy and child here.

    http://theprimalparent.com/2011/03/31/paleo-from-pregnancy/

    Peggy wrote on May 8th, 2011
    • Peggy – thanks for the link. I will definitely be checking out your blog as well. I’m new to the paleo or primal diet and I’m also trying to become pregnant for the first time. All of this is just even more compelling evidence for this lifestyle. But I know it will be hard, especially after the child starts going to school and you have less control over what they are really eating. Not to mention my relatives, who think what I’m doing is crazy and will probably try to sneak the child candy!

      Daria wrote on May 9th, 2011
  5. I really like those medieval recipes. They definitely have a primal feel to them. I wonder if people really ate that much meat during the medieval era. An interesting research project for sure.

    Jeremy Priestner wrote on May 8th, 2011
    • Note that the full website has recipes for veg, including sallat (salad).

      The topic of how much meat they ate is almost as controversial as how much Grok ate. The rich probably ate lots of meat, but perhaps not as much as some people think (and they did eat veggies too). The poor ate less meat, more veggies, rye bread, cheese, butter. But they ate animals we normally don’t, e.g. pigeons, and fish if they lived near water.

      Vegetarians and lipid hypothesis types like to gloat that peasants ate better than kings because they didn’t eat much meat. (Of course, they also ate tons of butter and cheese.)

      Harry wrote on May 8th, 2011
  6. Thanks for the medieval links. I have played around some with medieval dishes for ren faire groups.

    For those who avoid milk, medieval cooks rarely used fresh milk since it spoiled rapidly. Rather they used almond (or other nut) milk. The milk was made into cheese or butter (raw, of course.) I used to make rys (rice) with almond milk.

    The website has lots of interesting veg recipes too. Keep in mind that some have been adapted by modern rennies an SCA folks.

    Note that many original recipes say to ‘season’ with sugar, not overwhelm the dish with it.

    Harry wrote on May 8th, 2011
  7. While I don’t doubt that a paleo type of diet is best for pregnancy, breastfeeding and growing babies/children, hawaiian exhibits classic first-time parent naïvete :) I think moms and dads of two or more would agree.

    misterworms wrote on May 8th, 2011
    • Really? What do you mean by that?

      I have a five year old which followed the Paleo diet since before conception, through pregnancy, till now. All of what the author said is true and more!

      Peggy wrote on May 8th, 2011
      • I don’t understand the first comment either but thanks to that post and your blog I’m raising my kids primal along with me when that time comes!

        Nutritionator wrote on May 8th, 2011
    • Based on what? Conventional Wisdom? Look where that’s gotten us.

      Guess what: paleolithic families fed their children nothing but a “paleo” diet–because, well, that’s all that existed. Do you doubt they produced healthy, vibrant children? Babies that couldn’t have thrived on diet such as this simply would have been selected out of the gene pool.

      This guy’s simply provided a report of what he’s done and an honest summation of the results. What’s naive about that?

      And your statement about naivete, frankly makes you sound like you exhibit classic “multiple-child parent smugness.” I think most mom and dads who have raised children paleo would agree.

      fritzy wrote on May 8th, 2011
      • I didn’t think the “multiples” comment was particularly smug, but I do have to say that there’s a lot of smugness going around in a lot of the paleo pregnancy anecdotes. I went primal shortly after my son was born, and it’s been a humbling experience. There is so much in child-rearing that is out of our control.

        labbygail wrote on May 9th, 2011
  8. LOVE Paleobaby. Good for you, Dad.

    Samantha Moore wrote on May 8th, 2011
  9. Paleobaby rocks. I am raising my 6 month old this way – she’s been exclusively breastfed until now, and we are just starting solids for her. Her first food: chicken thighs and apple, cooked until soft and well mashed with butter. She is still getting used to the texture of solids in her mouth but no worries; soon enough I know she will want more than just milk.

    I had my own problems with will power while pregnant but ate mostly primal during pregnancy and up until now. I had low resistance when it came to crusty sourdough bread and the occasional dish of pasta (especially when it was accompanied by a spicy red sauce and a mound of shellfish). I’ve recently re-committed to being pure paleo and have been without dairy, grains, or legumes for two weeks now.

    My little one was born same as Paleobaby and continues to thrive – long limbs, low weight, excellent muscle tone, good sleep, and supremely pleasant temperment. Her older sister (2.5 yo) is similar since I’ve cut most of the sugar out of her diet (she still gets dried fruit and/or bananas every day and occasionally some rice).

    Anyone who doubts this can’t be good for kids doesn’t really know what “normal” is for kids/adults. Which puts me onto a philosophical tangent: what is normal? have we lived with dysfunctional mental and physical behaviors and body chemistry for so long that what is supposed to be “normal” is subverted by neolithic diets? (Jared Diamond and others would say “yes,” I think.)

    Madbiker wrote on May 8th, 2011
    • *when I say “low weight” I don’t mean she is underweight – rather, she is the appropriate weight for her age/length and shows no sign of becoming inappropriately fat*

      Lest anyone think I am depriving my child of proper nutrition, etc. etc.

      Madbiker wrote on May 8th, 2011
      • “…doesn’t really know what “normal” is…”

        You’re right on. Besides eating Primal myself, my dogs are also on a primal diet and get raw meat, bones, marrow, organs etc.
        People do not know what to feed a dog when there is no kibble. When I tell them I don’t feed any type of kibble to my dogs, I get that stupid question :” Well what do you feed it then?”

        Doh!?

        Primal Palate wrote on May 8th, 2011
    • That’s child abuse to deprive your baby like that to be what you deem “normal”, shame on you!! Calling social services!!!

      Jamie wrote on May 9th, 2011
  10. I’ve always wondered what would be a good minimalist shoe to play basketball in. One time I played in some old school sauconies and wrecked my ankle due to lack of any lateral support and my foot literally sliding out of the shoe to the side. Chuck’s are decent but very heavy. Anyone have any thoughts. I’ve been sticking to some new balance I have. I would rather not destroy my vibrams.

    Michal Palczewski wrote on May 8th, 2011
    • Wrestling shoes. Just don’t lace up the tops. Your foot stays tight, there’s no heel drop, and your ankle is free and mobile.

      Worker Bee 2 wrote on May 8th, 2011
  11. Paleo Baby rocks! :-)

    Primal Palate wrote on May 8th, 2011
  12. Thanks for the linkage Mark. I’m glad I found this blog and all the other great ones out there in the “paleo-sphere” long before we decided to finally go ahead and have a kid.

    While I don’t doubt that a paleo type of diet is best for pregnancy, breastfeeding and growing babies/children, hawaiian exhibits classic first-time parent naïvete :) I think moms and dads of two or more would agree.

    Naivete? lol

    I’m well aware of first time parents penchant for idealizing their baby and proclaiming to all who will listen that there child is somehow “special” or “different.”

    That’s what I tried to avoid sounding like in writing that post…

    …but what can I say? I DO have friends and family that continuously comment on babies demeanor, body, behavior and for a lack of a better word “alertness.”

    I’m not trying to make a case that my child is “special.” I think this is the way most children are SUPPOSED to be, if we didn’t live in a world full of lies, propaganda and misinformation designed to profit off of the ill health caused by mass-produced, processed feed for the masses.

    Keoni Galt wrote on May 8th, 2011
    • Mr Galt–you and your baby ROCK!!

      fritzy wrote on May 8th, 2011
  13. BTW – whenever anyone ever asks me about anything related to “paleo,” I tell them “Mark’s Daily Apple.”

    IMO, this blog is the best place to introduce people to the concepts of paleolithic-guided health and nutrition.

    Keoni Galt wrote on May 8th, 2011
  14. the paleo baby article was amazing! it’s so good to see people go against cw to do what’s best for themselves and their children. when my time comes to “produce offspring” you can bet i’ll be sticking to paleo!

    meret wrote on May 8th, 2011
  15. Thank you to all the mothers (and Mark and team for posting the paleo baby article) for commenting on the paleo baby article! I just started primal/paleo in January and as someone who would like to have children one day I am eager for as much paleo/primal information on child rearing and pregnancy that I can get!

    How do your children cope in a social setting with their ‘different’ diet around other children/parents etc?

    Thanks again!! :D

    Adrienne wrote on May 8th, 2011
    • Its not easy!! Our culture is very misguided as to what children need. And forget about taking your little one to pot luck’s or birthdays without feeding them first:)

      primal woman wrote on August 6th, 2012
  16. Wow, those Inov-8 Bare-Grip 200 minimalist shoes look fantastic, thanks for pointing those out! I have been looking for a pair of barefoot “shoes” for a long time now as a replacement for cleats on grass. These might just be the trick…

    Ben wrote on May 8th, 2011
  17. Gotta love that Paleobaby! Dady knows what he is doing and that’s a good thing. Lots of fat and protein with carbs from veggie and fruit. We should all be so lucky to be raised this was, liking the rright things. This baby is on the way to NOT becoming a little sugar adict.

    primal tree top wrote on May 8th, 2011
  18. Can’t wait to try that rib recipe, not to mention the medieval fare. Yum!

    Peter Ross wrote on May 8th, 2011
  19. Awesome job with the Paleobaby! Though you can’t say it’s only the grains that make babies fat. My babies have all been at the top of percentile charts for weight, and that’s while they are 100% breastfed. Or maybe that’s because all that yummy fat I eat ends up making super good milk. Of course they loose all that fat as soon as they start walking and end up being lean, super strong wild children who are currently running around naked outside fighting monsters with their swords.

    Marie wrote on May 8th, 2011
  20. So impressed with the Paleo baby article. It really answered a lot of questions I have been forming in my mind about my diet choices and the potential repercussions for my (future) offspring.
    I hope that whoever fathers my children is as caring and attentive as Paleo Dad obviously has been.

    One question though, how old was the mother, and how long did it take to conceive?

    Flaura wrote on May 8th, 2011
    • 34.

      A couple of months.

      Keoni Galt wrote on May 9th, 2011
  21. None of the minimalist trail shoes are a substitute for barefoot, nor do they try to be. They’re just, well, more minimalist than heavy, padded, motion-controlled shoes. That said, the Innov8 has a serious sole/tread, so it’s REALLY not a barefoot alternative.

    Doing trails in something like that is a completely different experience than being barefoot or in a pair of “barefoot” sandals like Invisible Shoes.

    Even with the magic “zero drop” (which shoe companies are now using to suggest “hey, we’re just like barefoot!”) that’s still a trail shoe.

    Steven wrote on May 8th, 2011
  22. I agree, the Paleo Baby article is interesting. Too bad the author writes for some less-than-subtly misogynistic blogs. References to “the Western Woman’s [collective?] mind” and translations from “Womanese.”

    Anonymous wrote on May 8th, 2011
    • Agree. That guy is scary. There’s a whiff of his domineering attitude in the paleo baby article about not allowing his wife to eat bread. If you read further, you find out what a control freak he really is.

      shannon wrote on May 8th, 2011
      • Haha, stupid woman, trying to carry his offspring incorrectly.

        Anonymous wrote on May 9th, 2011
      • Yeah, what an evil, bitter, misogynist. Devotes a good portion of his blog on describing how to maintain attraction between him and his wife.

        What. A. Jerk.

        Evan wrote on May 9th, 2011
        • Very true! I found that a turn off to the article. He’s obviously a sexist piece of shit. Mark needs to review such things before posting/promoting such sexist crap on this site.

          Jake wrote on May 9th, 2011
        • You tell ‘em! There’s an obvious link between that type of blog post and how he truly feels about women.

          It’s the REST of this whole wide Western world of women that have the problem. What with all the “hysterical housewives,” and breast cancer awareness campaigns that regrettably tie “into the overall feminization of everything in our mass media culture.”

          Luckily, there’s the-Spearhead.com to help us translate things from “Womanese into English,” and warn us about “The 10 harmful things single mothers do to ruin their sons.”

          Because, as we all know, the best way to fight the anti-egalitarian message of feminism is with more sexism. Just, you know, towards women this time. Original, and helpful!

          Mark B. wrote on May 9th, 2011
      • Agree. That guy is scary.

        MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

        There’s a whiff of his domineering attitude in the paleo baby article about not allowing his wife to eat bread.

        Yes, if I catch her, make her get back into the kitchen barefoot and pregnant!

        If you read further, you find out what a control freak he really is.

        Hilarious.

        I’m as misogynistic in my relationship with women as my arteries are clogged with all that saturated fat I eat.

        SCARY!

        Keoni Galt wrote on May 9th, 2011
        • Hahah, scary.

          I’ll tell you what’s scary: “The female of the species is a master at absorbing herself in her own thoughts and neuroses and projecting them onto men,” and the “the deep ignorance of female thought on this subject.”

          Holy crap! All the “living lardballs” (the womenfolk kind) out there need to listen up, or our perfect would-be society of not-misogynists like you will go balls up!

          Anonymous wrote on May 9th, 2011
        • Thanks, Keoni! My house husband is readily willing to admit that I, the breadwinning, car- and house-fixing, hunting and fishing member of our relationship, pretty much wear the pants. Yet he cracked down hard when my appetite skyrocketed during pregnancy and I considered buying conventionally-raised meats in order to stretch our budget; he said that if we really couldn’t afford enough of the good stuff, he would short himself meat to keep me/us full and well fed. That’s not misogyny, girls, it’s instinct, and I for one am glad for it.

          Erin wrote on May 9th, 2011
    • I really didn’t get that at all. I don’t think that being a man and enjoying it translates to misogyny. And he is obviously a very involved father. We all should be so lucky (as Mothers or Children)

      bbuddha wrote on May 10th, 2011
  23. I am so utterly RELIEVED to read the paleo baby post. I had gestational diabetes with my last pregnancy and unknowingly ate a “primal” diet (before I discovered what it was) to address my high blood sugars – just meat and veggies and when I craved sugar I had strawberries. I lost about 5 pounds toward the end of my pregnancy. And while my clinicians were fretting over my failure to meet my daily carb requirement, I had a healthy, thriving baby.

    Now I’d like to have another child, and my endocrinologist insists that I consume 150g of carbs a day. My way of eating has changed so much that I can’t even begin to fathom how I’d cram that many carbs into my diet, or how it can conceivably be advisable for a pregnant Type II to eat that many carbs…so that post helped confirm my doubts about the “SAD” way of eating during pregnancy.

    Shema wrote on May 8th, 2011
    • Yeah, you should see the look on the Pediatrician’s face when she tells us it’s time to start giving baby fluoride supplementation and I tell her no way in hell…

      Keoni Galt wrote on May 9th, 2011
      • Dude; fluoride supps?!?!
        I work with Aboriginal communties in Australia – kids who eat meat cooked over open wood fires have AWESOME teeth…thats where the fluoride is coming from.

        Scientists in Australia and Africa recorded this back in the 1920s – it has something to do with how fluoride is released from burning wood and trapped in the meat

        Chris wrote on May 9th, 2011
  24. Thanks for the thoracic spine links. I’m looking for ways to avoid a repeat of frozen shoulder and creating better posture and I’m going to give it a try.

    Shelli wrote on May 8th, 2011
  25. The medieval recipes look GOOD…

    JD wrote on May 8th, 2011
  26. The INOV-8′s look cool, but I think I still prefer my Merrel Trail Glove’s to them.

    jus wrote on May 8th, 2011
  27. MOOSE: “Hey, you’re supposed to run! Now what do I do?…Awkward…”

    Chipin the Moose Whisperer wrote on May 8th, 2011
  28. Great post on the paleo baby! We don’t have children yet but at some point we will and I know how they are going to be raised!
    Primal Palate I just wanted to let you know that there is a dog food/kibble out there that is primal/paleo.

    http://www.orijen.ca/orijen/about/

    Like I said before… we don’t have children yet but our two dogs are the closest thing right now. They travel with us lots and when we can’t feed them raw meat, bones etc. this is the stuff.

    flatland wrote on May 8th, 2011
  29. love the name solar power from the doc..can you determine the natural foods where we can get the vitamin D more.
    Thanks
    Aimee Sparker

    HGH wrote on May 8th, 2011
  30. The paleo baby article makes me chuckle. Our son is now 1 year old. He’s never had grains, legumes or dairy. He has horrible GERD/Reflux and on meds. He was colicky and still never sleeps through the night. His poop is solid, but not perfect. He loves meat more than fruit and loves all veggies. He begins almond/coconut milk because our PED asked us to give him milk and we are against it so she ok’d coconut milk as long as he was not allergic.

    Daniel Merk wrote on May 9th, 2011
    • A recommendation: have your baby screened for fructose intolerance. Or, go the DIY route: elminate all sugars – and that includes fruits – from baby’s diet for a couple weeks and see if things improve.

      Standard disclaimer: IANAD, but I am a fructose-intolerant adult who was a mysteriously colicky baby many years ago. I was thirty before my dx of fructose intolerance changed my life; it’s now my little mission to spread the word about this condition so that others may be spared the years of gastrointestinal distress I lived with.

      janeray1940 wrote on May 9th, 2011
  31. Daniel, I truly recognize the reality of your point here. There are somethings that cannot be helped. You can feed your pregnant wife or your newborn the best foods in the world, and still have health problems.

    Perhaps your child would have had even more severe health problems if you had fed him the standard american baby diet than what he’s dealing with now?

    HOWEVER, the main point that needs to be made here is that there most certainly is a difference in diet and they will manifest in most babies growth and development based on what you’re feeding them.

    I never claimed “paleo” would create perfect babies free from all ailments.

    I just believe that understanding the principles of paleo nutrition and applying them to feeding your pregnant wife and child will make it FAR less likely to have problems that are all too common to babies raised on SAD.

    Keoni Galt wrote on May 9th, 2011
  32. Big fail on the Paleo baby link, Mark. First of all, my daughter was exactly the same as paleo baby, but it was 29 years ago and I was eating SAD. Sure, a paleo diet is better than the SAD, but Hawaiian Libertarian is simply suffering from proud parent syndrome.

    Second, the guy’s got a real problem with women. What does that have to do with a paleo diet? Nothing, really, lol…I just didn’t appreciate being sent to the blog of an insecure, woman-hating loser.

    Lorraine wrote on May 10th, 2011
    • I’m not insecure, and I do not hate women…but if your definition of a woman hater means I’m not a pussy-whipped doormat who lets my wife wear the pants in the family, than OK, I’ll accept that.

      Epic fail on regurgitating mindless feminist shaming language, Lorraine.

      I hate the conventional wisdom of our society that preaches the lie of “equality” and androgynous gender roles…as much as I hate the conventional wisdom behind SAD.

      But MDA’s is not the place for this debate.

      Keoni Galt wrote on May 10th, 2011
      • Lol…of course you don’t think you hate women. And lol at you thinking that means you’re a “pussy-whipped doormat” etc. And LOL at quotes around equality. I wouldn’t expect any less of someone who thinks “father really does know best.” (Yes, I poked around your blog.)

        In the real world of secure grownups, father knows best as often as mother does. And in the real world men and women are just people who relate to each other with their actual personalities, and don’t try on different ones for different effect.

        As far as MDA not being the place for a debate…you’re right. I directed my comment to Mark, not to you.

        Lorraine wrote on May 10th, 2011
  33. lol Lorraine….sticking to the MDA appropriate topic here:

    First of all, my daughter was exactly the same as paleo baby, but it was 29 years ago and I was eating SAD.

    The SAD of 29 years ago was far different from the SAD today. 29 years ago, most people ate home cooked meals far more than today’s fast food/convenience snack foods and microwaved fare.

    29 years ago, partially hydrogenated oils were not ubiquitous.

    29 years ago, all fried foods were fried in tallow or lard, unlike today’s Omega-6 vegetable oils.

    29 years ago, you did not have the majority of meat produced in CAFO’s.

    29 years ago, you did not have Doctor’s telling parents to avoid eating butter, cream, or whole milk.

    Sure, a paleo diet is better than the SAD, but Hawaiian Libertarian is simply suffering from proud parent syndrome.

    I’m not suffering.

    Keoni Galt wrote on May 11th, 2011
    • I don’t know how old you were in 1981, but things were not as you state. Not only were partially hydrogenated oils in packaged foods back then, but we were encouraged to choose margarine over butter. Polyunsaturated oils were touted as the healthiest for cooking and salad dressings…corn oil was in every kitchen. And doctors and nutritionists were most definitely recommending lowfat dairy.

      Enjoy your healthy baby.

      Lorraine wrote on May 11th, 2011
      • Forgot to add, about the beef…I don’t know the history of CAFOs, but most beef was grain-fed in those days.

        Lorraine wrote on May 12th, 2011
  34. ALways lots of great links. Love it!

    Paleo Josh wrote on May 17th, 2011

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