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15 May

Top 10 Best & Worst Protein Sources (vegetarians take note)

steakYesterday, I discussed protein a little bit, and it’s such an important topic that I think it deserves its own Tuesday 10 (Read all Tuesday 10 columns here).

In all the debates this year about sugar (carbohydrates) and hydrogenated oil (fat), we forget that protein warrants consideration as well. The wrong proteins in the diet will quickly sabotage optimal health.

It helps to understand that protein is a macronutrient. What we call “protein” is, in fact, a family of amino acid molecules. When grouped together in various combinations we get proteins. There’s no protein molecule hanging out in that hamburger; rather, the animal tissue is made of many different amino acid building blocks. Protein is just a catch-all term we use. This is why vegetarians won’t keel over as people once feared. However, that doesn’t validate the popular myth that plant protein is equivalent or even superior to animal protein. Plant protein and animal protein is not equivalent, for several reasons:

  • Animal protein is more complete and contains more essential amino acids – the amino acids we can’t synthesize in our bodies and thus require in our diets for optimal health – than plant protein.
  • Contrary to popular belief, dietary animal protein is consistently associated with greater bone mineral density and fewer bone fractures (PDF), while dietary plant protein is associated with lower bone mineral density. Animal protein may increase calcium excretion, but it increases calcium absorption to a greater degree, resulting in a net positive effect on bone health.
  • Plant proteins often come with plant toxins, while animal protein is generally harmless. That’s probably why plant protein consumption has been linked to increased disease risk and animal protein consumption has little to no effect. Heck, the plant proteins often are toxins themselves, as with the case of wheat gluten.
  • It takes more calories to get adequate amounts of protein on a vegetarian diet. Living on beans and tofu increases the amount of carbohydrates in one’s diet significantly (and unnecessarily).

I hope no one believes that anymore.

Here are my ten ideal sources of protein, and their popular but inferior counterparts.

1. Winner: Grass-Fed Beef

Loser: Grain-Fed Beef

The average cow is raised on cheap grain that will kill it after about six months (they’re conveniently slaughtered before this happens – but not always). Hardly something I want to put in my body. Grass-fed, organic beef won’t make the vegetarians happy, but this beef is rich in beneficial fatty acids that are missing from the factory-raised cattle. It’s cleaner, healthier, more flavorful, and richer in nutrients. And grass-fed beef is typically raised in humane conditions. If you eat beef and can get your hands on it, grass-fed is a must. It’s getting quite easy to find these days, but you can order online from many outlets as well.

2. Winner: Pastured Chicken

Loser: Regular frozen chicken

No comparison. Did you know chicken has flavor? Yeah, bizarre, I know. Chicken raised properly on pasture and allowed to eat bugs and grasses (not shoved by the cluckload into dirty factories) is rich in EFAs and is one of the best sources of protein available. Also, if you cover a whole one in salt, pepper, and garlic, stuff it full of herbs, rub it down with grass-fed butter or olive oil, and place it in a preheated oven, you’ve got one of the greatest dinners in the history of the world.

3. Winner: Wild Salmon

Salmon 4Loser: farmed salmon

Fish is healthy, right? Don’t even bother patting yourself on the back for eating salmon if it’s from a farm. Farmed salmon is produced in a way that’s the seaside equivalent of a chicken factory. As a result, the fish are often sick and infected. They’re fed cheap feed that does not yield the desirable omega-3-rich flesh. They’re miserable and full of inflammatory omega-6 fatty acids.

Stick with wild only. Most restaurants use farmed salmon, so you have to get a little aggressive about this.

Notice a trend here with my emphasis on good fats in protein foods? Source makes a huge difference in the quality of protein you get. Meat is – or was – a very valuable food because it’s so dense in nutritious fat and protein. What an efficient, rich source of energy! Helpfully, our modern factories have eliminated the nutritional value and left us with weak, flabby, carcinogenic, diseased patties and drumsticks. Hey, thanks, guys. (Although we consumers don’t get off easy: maybe if we ate less…)

4. Winner: Tuna

Loser: fish sticks and popcorn shrimp

I don’t think I need to go into this one.

5. Winner: Pastured Eggs

Loser: egg substitute and/or regular eggs

If eggs were meant to be eaten as mechanically-separated, low-fat, chemically-altered whites in a carton, the chickens would have done it by now. But an egg is a chick in the making. It’s rich in antioxidants, good fats, vitamins, and – for the calories – a lot of protein. Doubly so if your eggs come from pastured hens. Things like Egg Beaters are the result of food manufacturers exploiting fears based on grossly inaccurate health information. There’s nothing healthy about such unnatural products.

6. Winner: Greek Yogurt

Loser: Low-fat, sugar-sweetened yogurt

No comparison. The Greek stuff is richer, fattier, more nutritious and lower in sugar. Again, when choosing an animal protein source, choose one that also provides valuable fats to maximize nutrition. Don’t go for the conventional animal products that are high in chemicals, hormones, bad fats, and sugars. Yogurt isn’t a staple of my diet, but if I eat it it’s certainly not a plastic cup of sugar-infused strawberry dessert.

7. Winner: Shellfish

oysters2Loser: Deep-fried and breaded clams and oysters

When anthropologists search ancient human coastal settlements, they invariably find piles and piles of discarded shells. Our ancestors weren’t gathering shellfish to make jewelry. They weren’t hoarding pearls. They were gathering them because shellfish, including clams, oysters, mussels, and snails, are sources of animal protein that also happen to be full of iron, zinc, selenium, iodine, omega-3s, and other marine nutrients that we need to thrive. And, since farmed shellfish are raised just like wild shellfish – in the ocean feeding off microscopic lifeforms – without any junk food input from humans, farmed shellfish are just as good as wild. Limit or avoid shellfish farmed in China, however, as the waters there run a little more polluted than other waters.

8. Winner: Whey Protein Isolate

Loser: Whey Protein Concentrate

I know, I know – I just got done saying how important it is to eat whole food protein that comes with other nutrients. So what the heck is whey protein isolate, a processed protein powder that’s anything but “real, whole food,” doing on this list? Ultimately, I’m about results. I’m about food with proven health benefits as shown through science, and the body of literature supporting whey protein isolate as a worthy source of protein is impossible to ignore:

Since whey protein isolate is higher in protein (the stuff that’s giving all the health benefits) than whey protein concentrate, eat the former if you can get it.

9. Winner: Liver (from grass-fed or pastured animals)

Loser: Tofu

Though it’s known primarily as nature’s multivitamin because it contains ample amounts of vitamin A (important for bone health and testosterone production), copper (important for heart health), choline (important for liver health), folate (important for brain and fetal health), and B-vitamins (important for almost everything), people tend to forget that liver is a rich source of protein, too. It might look weird to compare it to tofu, but since nothing else really compares to liver – and tofu is really easy and really fun to pick on – I went with the soy-based meat alternative.

10. What’s your favorite protein source?

Give me a shout, Apples. What protein do you favor? What have I left out? (To comment, simply click on Comments below to log in to the blog forum, or proceed directly to the forum.)

Note: “Cows’ milk is for baby cows,” the saying goes. You’ll notice I left cheese and milk out of this list. While I like a good aged gouda, I wanted to make this list as all-inclusive as possible – and potentially allergenic dairy proteins are not suitable for everyone. Raw dairy is healthy and enjoyable for many people who can tolerate it, but generally, I think quality meat works better for more people than quality milk. Cheese, the fermentation of which denatures some of the problematic components while increasing beneficial nutrients, is generally better tolerated than milk, especially aged cheeses like gouda. Cream and butter are fine in cooking (or coffee), because I don’t fear saturated fat, but I am concerned about folks who substitute nutritious meat with highly-processed cheese.

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Imagine you’re George Clooney. Take a moment to admire your grooming and wit. Okay, now imagine someone walks up to you and asks, “What’s your name?” You say, “I’m George Clooney.” Or maybe you say, “I’m the Clooninator!” You don’t say “I’m George of George Clooney Sells Movies Blog” and you certainly don’t say, “I’m Clooney Weight Loss Plan”. So while spam is technically meat, it ain’t anywhere near Primal. Please nickname yourself something your friends would call you.

  1. Kidney beans don’t deserve the bad rap you give them. Like their colorful cousins, red, black, and pinto beans, kidney beans are high in flavonoids. The flavonoid mix differs among the varieties, so it’s good to include all of them in your diet. Kidney beans are larger and thus starchier than black or pinto, but the differences in carbs, protein, and fiber are not significant.

    Beans are appropriate in small quantities as a side dish along with generous servings of produce. Heme iron enhances the absorption of non-heme iron, so I try to include a little animal protein with my beans. As a non-menopausal woman, I’m not likely to suffer from iron overload, especially with my relatively low protein consumption.

    Sonagi wrote on July 21st, 2007
    • I like beans

      Utah wrote on February 23rd, 2011
      • Beans, beans, the magical fruit will make your pants go rooty toot toot. The more you eat the more you toot, the more you toot the better you feel. So let’s have beans for every meal.

        running bare wrote on July 16th, 2011
        • Yeah ok, but if I eat beans and the other guy in the elevator eats steak, I fart, he drops from a heart attack…who’s the winner?

          redmond wrote on October 3rd, 2011
        • you totally butchered that rhyme

          Australia wrote on December 31st, 2011
        • You’re dumb

          Eddy wrote on May 23rd, 2012
        • Excuse me…but, I think the original
          version was: “prunes, prunes the musical fruit, the more you eat the more you toot”. Just sayin’!!

          Helen wrote on June 27th, 2012
        • i think it was
          ” beans, beans, good for the heart. the more you eat, the more you fart”.
          just saying

          dill wrote on September 2nd, 2012
        • Beans, beans, good for your heart, the more you eat the more you fart.

          Keith wrote on October 5th, 2012
        • Beans cooked properly will not cause intestinal gas….
          Soak for 24 -48 hours (if they start to sprout..even better!)
          Rinse THROUGHLY
          Add fresh water to beans, bring to a rapid boil for 10 minutes
          While they are boiling skim off the foam that rises to the top
          Finally finishing cooking on low heat until done (should take several hours)
          The finished product is beans anyone can enjoy with out all the discomfort.

          Diana wrote on January 4th, 2014
        • Another version is:

          Beans, Beans, The magical fruit,
          The more you eat, The more you toot,
          The more you toot, The better you feel,
          So eat your beans with every meal!

          Beanie8303 wrote on January 9th, 2014
        • that is so funny

          poop wrote on April 16th, 2014
        • To take the “gas” out of beans, do rinse well and whle they are cooking…add a pinch of baking soda. My grandmother said so and I’m 72, so that trick has been around a longggg time.

          Mary wrote on June 19th, 2014
      • I think the author of this article knocks to many good foods. Such as, but not limited too, beans and lentils. I understand this article is geared towards protein but some of the other foods you list as bad have other required nutrients we need. I did not see soy products mentioned at all even though they are a very good source of protein. In fact soy products, such as tofu, have almost the same quality of protein as lean meats. Also peanut butter with bread combined make a complete protein. If I where you I would rename this article “best and what I believe is worst protein sources”. Also you should be afraid of saturated fatty acids because, besides trans fatty acids, it’s one of the leading causes of heart disease and obesity. It lowers “good” (HDL) and raises “bad” (LDL)

        ruthie wrote on July 25th, 2011
        • Have you read all the negative research on soy lately? It acts in the body as estrogen which is not a good thing when you eat it regularly.

          RHG wrote on August 3rd, 2011
        • have you just not read much of this website? actually, i’m not sure you even read this article… tempeh is soy! if you wanna gobble down aflatoxins and gluten to satisfy your protein needs, go for it. but if you wanna comment here, you might consider looking closer at what this site is about.

          bonita wrote on August 8th, 2011
        • Soy is on the list. It’s #4.

          nate wrote on September 22nd, 2011
        • @bonita

          Tempeh, although commonly prepared with a presscake that is prone to aflatoxin growth, is a poor substrate for aflatoxin production. Any aflatoxins transfered die off rather quickly. its like pulling a plant out of the soil and setting it back down on baren rock.

          Jregal wrote on September 24th, 2011
        • Actually, I thought it was more complete than lists such as: eat meat, seafood, dairy…, naming the obvious. There are differences between mackerel and seawolf, just to name something. And though the fats may be good, I don’t lose a gram of excess weight. Then it’s packed with cholesterol, fats, starch, sodium; things I watch out for.

          I’ll try tempeh though, I remember it to be awful but who knows with a nice recipe after so many years.

          Shaktiva wrote on September 26th, 2011
        • This soy and its phyto-estrogens is why women in non-western countries don’t suffer menopause. (probably reduces cancer too)
          Indeed, a truly horrible effect.

          I mean, if we don’t have menopause or get sick once in while, what do we have to complain about and/or our caretakers will walk away to someone that does needs them.

          Shaktiva wrote on September 26th, 2011
        • the person before me is saying phyto-estrogens are good because women have later metopause… what about men? I’m a bodybuilder who’s interested in the vegetarian lifestyle “for animal rights, more so than health”, but this persons reasoning is dumb. If you’re a man stay away from soy. I’m 225 lbs at 6’0, a guy I know who gets all his protein from soy but does everything else basically the same as me is around 145 lbs.
          vegetarians men have lots of options besides soy..

          Yitzchak wrote on October 12th, 2011
        • Ruthie, I used to think the exact same way as you before I began researching deeper (both sides of all these arguments) and experimenting with my own health. It seems you may have taken this info out of context, as well as other info you’ve read (i.e. peanut butter + bread= complete protein?!) out of context or just developed your own “opinion” towards what you think is best for your health. I’m certainly not trying to knock you or your opinions, but as a health and fitness professional who prides myself on knowing the entire big picture before forming an opinion, I have found that Mark’s Daily Apple (and similar others) are right on track when it comes to our genetic make-up and how we, as human beings are truly made to thrive and survive at the most optimal health possible.
          Also, if you took just a few minutes to research the specifics on HDL and LDL (actually particle size, structure, which type of each is actually bad or good) you would find that it’s not specifically saturated fat=bad; it’s the source of the saturated fat…which is exactly what was discussed in the article (and in many other articles here.)
          Try experimenting on yourself first before completely knocking the info here. Just an idea tho…

          Claire wrote on October 27th, 2011
        • I don’t understand why everyone is making such a big deal about soy products and their phytoestrogen content and the effect it has on our body. ALL PLANTS HAVE ESTROGEN HORMONES. Without these hormones plants would not be able to grow. Phytoestrogen is tremendously weaker than that of the human estrogen hormone and its effects on the male/female body have more positive effects than bad. SOY products are considered to have one of the highest amounts of phytoestrogens…. as well as LEGUMES, WHOLE GRAINS, GRAPES AND OTHER FRUITS, PEPPERS AND GREEN LEAFY VEGETABLES. Soy and other legumes, and whole grains leading this list of foods highest in phytoestrogen content leave anyones negative opinion on phytoestrogen null and void. For example, the Asian culture has had tofu and soy based foods as a main source of protein for their diet for thousands of years. Opposing any belief of negative effects phytoestrogens may have on fertility. Some opinions on this subject suggest that over the many years their culture has in a way “evolved” to accomodate a high soy diet. But here in America we eat a good amount of soy ourselves.

          HOPS.. in beer containing higher amounts than others. Infants are fed soy based formula… 12% of infant formula sales go to the soy based variety… that having decreased by 50% since 1999. So in the 90s 25% of all children on a formula were fed soy. There have been studies that show that phytoestrogens actually decrease the risk of cancer (breast, prostate, liver..) and are VERY commonly consumed. Tests done on lab rats show very high amounts of phytoestrogen cause fertility issues amongst other problems but this is a very very high amount… an amount of phytoestrogen that realistically could not be ingested in the daily life of a human being.

          Soy is good if not great for our health. It shouldn’t be feared.

          Joshua wrote on January 18th, 2012
        • Not sure where you are getting your info but some things are not accurate. Tofu is not a good protein source. It is so highly processed and creates deficiency in the body over time. I see this in my clients all the time when they come to me on a diet high in soy protein. Saturated fat is required by the body to balance hormones and absorb nutrients. Avocado and coconuts contain very healthy forms of saturated fats. They should not be group into “bad” fats or trans-fats. Very different in the way they affect the body.

          Sarah wrote on February 2nd, 2012
        • unfortunately soy is almost one of the worst foods to eat now, besides corn. Over 90% of the available corn and soy is now GMO which is NOT healthy. If your finding organic soy, that is great, but other than that, you should not eat it.

          crissy wrote on February 19th, 2012
        • Soy is not healthy at all, most of the soy that is being produced now is GMO and even organic soy can get contaminated with GMO soy. Make some research about GMO and you will see why is so dangerous and unhealthy for you.

          Gabby wrote on June 19th, 2012
        • STOP EATING CONVENTIONAL SOY!!! As has been stated… 90% of soy and corn in this country is GMO! You are killing yourself! If you are devoted to soy, ALWAYS buy organic. No exceptions.

          I don’t believe in the whole soy craze, even organic soy. Primarily, the phytic acid in soy leeches nutrients from the body. The vegetarians of the 70’s all seemed to understand about phytic acid… now most people don’t.

          Fermenting soy removes (or at least reduces) the phytic acid. I’m tired of hearing that Asians consume mass quantities of soy and have good health. To my understanding, that is FALSE! It’s not that Asians consume a LOT of soy, it’s that they consume the right kind… fermented. There are other reasons why they have low cancer rates… iodine/iodide.

          Learn about GMO dangers. Go to: http://www.responsibletechnology.org

          Mary Ellen wrote on June 19th, 2012
        • “Good” and “Bad” cholesterol are a myth, haven’t you heard???

          Nick wrote on June 20th, 2012
        • The rhyme goes “beans, beans good for the heart, the more you eat, the more you fart”

          Beverly wrote on August 6th, 2012
        • You are urgently in need of education.
          A) You speak with certitude and authority, although you have surely not ever examined any respectable documents or publications. Peanut butter? It is not a nut, it is a group of fungi more than anything.

          Bread? What lunacy propels you? Humans get damaged from eating whole grains, we are assuredly not designed for whole grains, or meat, with such a complicated digestive system, 19x the transit time needed to safely expel bacteria-laden, rotting meat.

          Soy? Oh, your pardon is begged for insisting that you have fallen into the depths of idiocy. Soy, also Fungus City, only fermented soy is beneficial, and, no, you don’t fry, cook, or in any way raise its temperature above 108 degrees.

          Oh, thank goodness we’ll be rid of people like you sooner, rather than later. Remember, 80% of all Americans die unnaturally. That proves that 80% are either unknowing of simple health truths, or blatantly moronic. No gray shades when you drink a single soday (water with eight to twelve spoonfuls of sugar), etc.

          Had to step in for fear that people might, in some drug- or fantasmagorical-experience-induced haze think you have more than a fiftieth of a brain. How DARE you speak with authority when nearly everything you said was wrong and/or stupid? Shut up and listen to those who look and feel better than you at twice and triple your age, Doughnut Brain!

          P.S. There is no such thing as bad cholesterol. Both high- and low-density lipoproteins are critically needed to have energy. There is only unbalanced cholesterol in people who do not work for a living in a physical sense, contrary to what most people claim about themselves, of course. Bad cholesterol? You must be related to an M.D.

          Elle wrote on August 16th, 2012
        • Processed soy puts your body into fat storing mode. Not such a good protein source if you want to loose weight.

          M J Myers wrote on September 13th, 2012
        • Quinoa is not a grain…..Just sayin

          Dajeremy wrote on October 2nd, 2012
        • That’s not true. Do some research. That’s one of the governments lies about nutrition. And peanut butter is rancid and full of mycotoxins.

          shadow wrote on March 7th, 2013
        • You have totally missed the point of primal lifestyle

          Rositsa wrote on April 12th, 2013
        • Beans beans the finest fruit the more you eat the more you toot the more you toot the better you feel so eat beans at every meal

          dan wrote on June 16th, 2013
        • Beans and lentils are not complete proteins however. They need to be mixed with a grain in order to make a complete protein. Soy, unless fermented is toxic to humans and will cause problems for most unless their genetics are adapted to them. For most westerners eating soy will typically depress Thyroid function which along with other toxins will eventually lead to Hypothyroidism if not worse, auto-immune thyroid disease. Peanut butter is a prime cause of inflammation in the body as are grains due to their high lectin contents. Unless the grains are sprouted this lectin is carried over into the finished grain product where it will at some point cause inflammation in the body, Ever wondered by so many ppl as they age get heavier? It is due to fluid retained in the body due to inflammation from consumption of grain products. It has been stated that the overall incidence of Gluten sensitivity is much much higher than was previously though, and getting worse every year. Another thing to look at is the recent studies that have been released showing that all saturated fats are not created equal. Those fats from coconut butter (from pasture fed cows) are not deleterious to health but health enhancing. The lastest heart studies expound upon this.

          Zsaire Gable wrote on February 5th, 2014
        • Actually, I think the value if soy has recently been reassessed. Many women, my mother included, have found that increasing soy in their diet makes them feel worse. Additionally, in Chinese medicine peanuts are considered “damp causing,” and peanut butter is frowned upon. I’ve found that as I get older (I’m 36), peanuts and cashews don’t give me a boost after I eat them, the way almonds do. It’s almost like I have a “sugar crash” afterwards. I’d recommend almond butter over peanut butter for protein.

          Phoebe wrote on June 23rd, 2014
      • just watch out when eating too many dried beens they are high in Uric Acid.

        Westerman wrote on October 15th, 2011
        • Gees Elle … got much of a problem with people who do not agree with you?

          “Oh, thank goodness we’ll be rid of people like you sooner, rather than later.”

          “How DARE you speak with authority when nearly everything you said was wrong and/or stupid? Shut up and listen to those who look and feel better than you at twice and triple your age, Doughnut Brain!”

          Does “eating healthy” make everyone turn into such rude B*&^% ???

          You do nothing to educate anyone when you are so rude and arrogant. Come on here and cite facts rather than crap on others.

          I came on here to show my son what is meant by a healthy protein as he is living with friends and seem to subsist on trashy carbs and processed proteins. Rather than see insightful comments, I see people attacking others rather than state facts. Calling people names does not make you right and certainly does nothing to prove your credibility — just sayin’

          Not cool; not the attitude I expected to see here at all.

          Marie wrote on August 23rd, 2012
      • me too

        tim wrote on March 1st, 2013
    • kidney beans is not for everyone….have you ever heard of eating right for your blood type….i’m type “0” and kidney beans is a no-no for me…..

      AARON wrote on July 1st, 2011
      • Ou cantThe bottomYes, I’ve heard of the blood type diet. Sadly, this is a work by a self-deluded pseudo-scientist who used questionable practices to support his pet theory that blood type dictates what we should eat. His research is not reproducable and he uses a great deal of rationalization to support his crazy conclusions. In the end regardless of blood type he would have you eat a starvation style diet of one sort or another. The bottom line is that his theory doesn’t work, and like Ornish,

        Steve wrote on November 25th, 2012
    • actually kidney beans should be eaten by “b” blood type only……

      AARON wrote on July 1st, 2011
    • actually kidney beans should be eaten only by individuals with “B” blood type…

      check out this site: http://intraspec.ca/blood.php

      AARON wrote on July 1st, 2011
      • There is absolutely no evidence that blood type has any effect on what is and is not healthy for you. The book “eat right for your type” has been highly criticicized for being filled with faulty research and pseudoscience.

        Jason wrote on April 16th, 2012
        • Amen!

          Steve wrote on November 25th, 2012
    • The #1 protein is blue-green algae and of those, spirulina is best at 70% protein. Beef is less than 15%! Spirulina is a whole food and a complete protein. it also has all the esential amino acids, tons of vitamins, high amounts of DHA (healthy brain fats), as well as the second highest choliphyl contect (chrorella is first). i get pills that are 50% spirulina and 50% chlorella and i take 1/4 pound daily, 2oz of each.

      danny beauchamp wrote on September 2nd, 2011
      • Blue-green algea would be a good source of protein but the problem is our bodies can’t process it. It’s a false source of Protein for humans. Don’t waste your time with it.

        Arianna wrote on December 12th, 2011
        • Nonsense! Spirulina and Chlorella are two of the most nutrient dense foods on the planet. The protein is complete and bioavailable. Some where along the line you were mis-informed.

          Joe wrote on January 14th, 2012
        • blue green algae is a good protein source,,, it’s the vit B12 analogues that are not bioavailable (our bodies cant convert it to a usable form…. ergo vegan? supplement B12

          Ailish wrote on June 14th, 2012
    • SO, I have read all of the comments below and still need to find a good combination for myself. I cannot eat dried beans, tomatoes, potatoes (any kind) or any other high potasium foods. My husband, after seeing “Knives over Forks” wants to go on a vegan diet. Well, that’s just fine but without the above foods in my diet to help with protein there’s little left. Any thoughts on how to get protein without meat or beans etc. Can’t eat quinoa and tofu all the time.

      Helga wrote on October 4th, 2011
      • I get protein without meat or beans. Most comes from raw grass-fed milk, and a small amount comes from grains (rice, millet, buckwheat). Fat comes from milk and grass-fed butter or ghee. As long as you can eat dairy, there is no need to eat meat or beans.

        Ryan wrote on November 25th, 2011
        • Ryan, Read the post you were replying to and think about it. Helga wants a vegan approach and that automatically says NO milk. Ovo-lacto vegetarians drink milk (and eat eggs) but vegans do not. To Helga, proteins are all around, fruits, veggies and grains all contain protein to some extent. Also remember that we overeat proteins in many Western societies. Unless you are a training athlete, you are likely consuming too much protein on a standard Western diet.

          Colin wrote on December 30th, 2011
        • will does your dairy come from grain fed cows or range, I heard that it makes a difference, I absolutely love greek yogurt and have it every morning with blueberries or one of my favorite fruits, I am also very skeptical of eating fruit that is sprayed, do as much washing as I can, are we becoming paranoid or do we need to be this visigliant

          Helen wrote on January 25th, 2012
      • Knives over Forks is a problematic movie, as it skews data, blatantly changing the truth to fit the propaganda.

        http://slowburnfitness.com/forks-over-knives/

        http://foodfreedom.wordpress.com/2011/07/07/forks-over-knives-or-how-to-pretend-to-be-an-expose-documentary/

        http://www.fathead-movie.com/index.php/no-bologna-facts/

        There is a lot of science that is left out of “Forks over Knives”. It’s a movie, mostly fiction, and made by Hollywood…

        need we say more?

        Annie Sires wrote on January 19th, 2012
        • “Forks over Knives” and the book “The China Study”, are examples of the most comprehensive scientific research ever done on food and nutrition. Definitely the most reliable source of information on optimal nutrition ever written or documented. If you actually read the study and watched the movie, you would realize this.

          So many people have been so misinformed for so many years that it is difficult to admit how very wrong we have been, even when the facts prove otherwise.

          In three months of dietary changes, after watching this documentary (not fiction) and actually reading the “China Study”, my family has experienced dramatic changes. My adult daughter with a history of 20 years of high Cholesterol, has dropped her Cholesterol an unheard of 50 points and is now in the normal range and off medication. I had been diagnosed pre-diabetic (family history of diabetes)in 2010 & 2011. Two younger siblings are full-blown diabetics. My Cholesterol was elevated enough to need medication as well. After going on a vegan diet for the last 3 months, my fasting glucose level is normal, I’ve dropped 15 pounds, Cholesterol is normal, feel great, no longer depressed, and have lots of energy to exercise. Those who are skeptical, like I was, try it and prove it to yourself.

          Bonnie Kaake wrote on April 9th, 2012
        • My husband dropped his cholesterol from 240 somewhere down to 170 or 160 just by increasing his exercise (started a work at home program six days a week), cutting out fast food and soda, and fish oil supplements and watching the excess salt he added to his plate. As far as “facts” go, they change every decade or so. For the longest time egg yolks were “bad” for you, but now they say that they are good. Wait a decade, see what changes

          Alex wrote on May 19th, 2012
      • basically you should eat a lot of whole grains, and because of the potassium restriction eat small amounts of legumes for the whole protein diet. as for the type of legume – some have less potassium than other (chickpeas for example)

        yair wrote on March 9th, 2012
        • Too bad then that grains are bad for you. They are highly inflammatory which may be why Eastern Indians have 400% higher incidence of heart disease than the typical American.

          Steve wrote on November 25th, 2012
      • Helgo, There are many options for getting sufficient protein, even omitting the items you cannot eat. Try smoothies made with fruits,vegetables, and add spirulina, rice protein, whey protein, or any of the other great protein powders available at health food stores. Be sure to purchase only non-GMO (non-genetically modified). These protein powders are wonderful and can be added to many other foods as well. We add protein powders to our daily oatmeal breakfast and to our homemade vegan breads from our bread machine. Best recipe book from our experience has been “The Happy Herbivore”.

        Bonnie Kaake wrote on April 9th, 2012
        • Just remember that whey protein is not vegan.

          Petra wrote on November 25th, 2012
      • Helga,

        Look for a Dorian that specializes in vegan and vegetarian diets. Go to vrg.org.

        Ross RD wrote on August 10th, 2012
    • You might as well have made an article comprised of one sentence, “eat organic”.

      The post is fairly accurate other than tempeh or any kind of soy product is not a good source of protein for men due to its effects on estrogen production.

      Quinoa beans are amazin but kideny beans are a staple and always will be, because more than anything else its a digestive enzyme.

      You also left out kidney as a meat choice, its one of those miracle foods like that has everything you need with a high dosage of protein.

      Dan wrote on January 5th, 2012
      • Quinoa is not a grain!(or a bean as someone noted) and for the great bennefits of soy watch Food Inc and see what they are doing to it before we get it, our naturalpath reccommended never consuming it especially growing children.

        Val wrote on January 19th, 2012
        • For the record, quinoa is not a grain, nor a bean, but a seed, and yes, a complete protein (includes all 9 amino acids), and has many other essential nutrients.

          Shelene wrote on March 9th, 2012
        • Quinoa is a seed.

          Laura wrote on April 9th, 2012
      • Quinoa is not a bean!

        Val wrote on January 19th, 2012
      • Except that temph miso and soy sauce are all fermented products and the estrogen has been broken down(not exactly sure how that works but that’s what everything I’ve read says)

        Josh wrote on January 21st, 2012
    • The human body actually does not benefit from “a bit of flesh.” When your body metabolizes any animal product…meat or dairy it creates an acidic environment. Your body attempts to compensate and as a result it leeches the calcium out of your bones. An acidic environment helps cancer cells to grow.

      Also while I agree quinoa is a winner…it is not a grain. It is a seed. There is nothing wrong with eating grains. They hold amazing health benefits.

      Laura wrote on April 9th, 2012
      • I’m afraid that is an unproven theory with no evidence to support it. Human blood does not become alkaline or acidic based on what food is consumed. Your urine can become alkaline or acidic based on what foods you eat but that will have no effect on your health at all. Also the only way for your blood to become acidic is if you stop breathing for some reason like if you’re choking. Your blood can become alkaline if you’re hyperventilating. other then that not much will affect how alkaline your blood becomes.

        Jason wrote on April 16th, 2012
    • BUCKWHEAT – soba noodles 16g protein!

      HEMP SEEDS – 1 tablespoon is almost 3 times daily required amount of omegas 3 & 6! 3 tblspns = 10g protein!

      kyle wrote on May 19th, 2012
    • I don’t agree with your opinions about kidney beans. Red kidney beans yield one the highest levels of antioxidants out of any food. To suggest that one should stay away from such healthy foods is very irresponsible on your part.

      anthony wrote on May 1st, 2013
  2. No grains, even quinoa have all the essential amino acids so cannot be considered a complete protein. However these ingredients are often mixed with others that contain incomplete amino acids to form complete ones. This is called “mutual supplemaentation” You just mix two items with incomplete amino acids so that one makes up for the loss of the other. Hummus and pita is a good example and a tasty one at that!

    I love tempeh, but even that can come mass produced. There are some places that still hand craft tofu, and it is excellent! even to a meat eater like me!

    My favorite protein is a toss up between three; malpeque oysters, lentil and quinoa salad, or grass fed beef from Georgia, Texas, or Florida. Since I live in Canada I guess I’ll go with the oysters for the rare treat. But as for daily protein I’ll go with the lentil and quinoa salad.

    Michael wrote on September 12th, 2007
    • Would you happen to have a recipe for your lentil and quinoa salad? It sounds good.

      Ashley wrote on January 22nd, 2011
      • Boiled Quinoa
        2 TB olive oil
        1 squeezed lemon
        1 shredded carrot
        2 handfuls of chopped uncooked spinach
        1 handful of chopped cilantro
        Salt – Pepper to taste

        Suzanne wrote on January 17th, 2012
        • Oh and diced cherry tomatoes

          Suzanne wrote on January 17th, 2012
        • nice!

          joan wrote on March 10th, 2012
    • Actually Quinoa is not a grain, and it does actually have all the essential amino acids. I have to agree with you on the Canadian oysters, though!

      Daniel wrote on February 28th, 2011
      • Darn, you beat me to it!

        Amaranth is another of the mock grains that’s a good source — I’m not sure it contains all amino acids, but it contains one or two that are really difficult to get if you don’t eat meat.

        Kaye wrote on June 18th, 2011
    • Quinoa is not a grain, it is a seed. It is related to the spinach family, and DOES have all 9 amino acids making it a complete protein. FYI.

      spartan wrote on April 10th, 2011
      • ALL GRAINS ARE SEEDS. I never understood that description. How is Quinoa different? I think it just grows differently. ..maybe its a perennial plant?

        kev wrote on May 13th, 2012
        • Grains are seeds from plants in the grass family, specifically. Quinoa, amaranth and buckwheat are seeds from plants that aren’t in the grass family, so they’re not considered grains any more than sunflower seeds or cactus seeds would be. However, since they have small seeds and are often used like grains, they get the ‘pseudo-grain’ label a lot of the time.

          shaunamom wrote on May 31st, 2012
    • Hemp Protein is a complete concentrated protein.
      Low in Carbs, has a fat content that is derived from absolute important amino acids.
      And it is natural. Not chemically changed, altered or processed. It is not expensive either.. How does it get any better than that?

      The unfortunate thing with foods like the ‘beans’ and many others these days is they are not as organically natural as they once were when growing in their pods in the garden etc.
      They are mass manufactured, put in tins sodium added etc.
      Leaving alot rancid. So the toxicity level is higher. Sad shame really.

      Bexie wrote on July 5th, 2011
    • quinoa DOES contain all 9 essential amino acids ALL BY ITSELF and is, in fact, a complete protein.

      mila wrote on May 5th, 2012
  3. Mark,

    In regards to number 2, what do you think of this product? It is a favorite of mine and I would love to get your opinion.

    http://www.powerbutter.com

    Mike Carlson wrote on September 19th, 2007
  4. Mike, I read their material and I think they have made a good compromise. Added egg albumin to quadruple the protein, added flax and flax seed to boost O3s. I might try some…but you still need bread to make a PB sandwich…

    Mark Sisson wrote on September 19th, 2007
  5. “but you still need bread to make a PB sandwich”

    Not if you eat it on a Fuji apple!

    Thanks for the response, Mark. Great site.

    Mike Carlson wrote on September 19th, 2007
  6. NP, Mike. And yes, it’s always great on fruit/vegetables. In fact our editor and a few of our readers like to top vegetables and eggs with various nut butters.

    Mark Sisson wrote on September 19th, 2007
  7. ok i like almonds can eat them all day somtimes in place of regular foods,what about walnuts?

    cindy wrote on February 19th, 2008
    • eating too many almonds can give you an upset stomach, so no, you really shouldn’t eat them all day or in place of regular foods. ideally, you should have a /balanced/ diet.

      remember, there’s such a thing as too much of a good thing.

      lala wrote on June 11th, 2009
      • Too much garlic?! How do you figure?

        iuvenesco wrote on May 4th, 2011
  8. I’m not understanding why “Cows milk is for baby cows”. We can eat cow but not cow milk?

    Angelica wrote on July 2nd, 2008
    • My father was a farmer and he used to say, “We are the only animals that want to continue to drink milk as adults. Then we drink the milk of an animal that is 250 pounds and we wonder why we have health problems.”

      Creative4aReason wrote on November 24th, 2009
      • I think the best sort of dietary suggestions are ones based on data. Evidence that cow or goat’s milk is harmful for human consumption is negligible- in fact, much to the contrary. For many people, it is their largest source of calcium.
        Similarly, there is little evidence that organic vegetables are healthier. If you can afford it, and think that it is in your best interest to eat organic, go ahead. However, it would be extremely difficult to feed most of the world’s population if mass-produced foods were eliminated entirely.
        People seem to think that foods are all or nothing- it isn’t healthier to eliminate grains entirely from your diet. At a certain point, proteins are converted into the same fat cells as grains. The fact remains that most of the food you eat is converted into energy, not muscle, and it doesn’t particularly matter whether you get it from pasta or chicken, as long as you consume a decent amount of protein.
        A balanced, varied diet is the best diet.

        Keith wrote on December 28th, 2009
        • “However, it would be extremely difficult to feed most of the world’s population if mass-produced foods were eliminated entirely.”

          That is probably very true, but then how did the world become so populated in the first place? Healthy people in more isolated, primitive groups tend to have fewer children by choice (it’s not simply a result of disease killing off most of them… see Weston A. Price’s “Nutrition and Physical Degeneration”). Also it’s not the job of those in the West to try desperately to save every starving human being in the rest of the world, even if we’ve been browbeaten into believing that it is.

          “The fact remains that most of the food you eat is converted into energy, not muscle, and it doesn’t particularly matter whether you get it from pasta or chicken, as long as you consume a decent amount of protein.”

          Again, I suggest reading “Nutrition and Physical Degeneration”. It’s a fantastic book and will absolutely amaze you. Very old though and it’s difficult to find a copy, but the whole thing is available online: http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks02/0200251h.html

          Candace wrote on December 28th, 2009
        • Dude, you’re so wrong!!! Cow milk is definitely bad for you. It contains unnecessary saturated fats and hormones for the cow to produce milk faster, as well as blood, YUMMY!! Organic anything is better, NO EFFING DOUBT. And it does matter whether or not you get it from pasta or chicken; those are two totally different food items. One being from an animal and the other, a grain. One is a complete protein, and the other isn’t. You’re right on the balanced and varied diet though. Fad diets are dumb, ’cause all you need is moderate exercise and knowledge of the food guide pyramid.

          taylor wrote on May 2nd, 2010
        • “However, it would be extremely difficult to feed most of the world’s population if mass-produced foods were eliminated entirely.” – Keith

          If people were smart they’d shirk their brainwashing and empty monetary conditioning so families could grow all of their own food – this is entirely possible to do in any climate. Scarcity is a myth propagated by the Captains of Industry to further their own profit of worthless created-out-of-debt, backed-by-nothing cotton-linen paper and empty digital data.

          Anon wrote on July 26th, 2010
        • There is a plethera of reliable information that indicates that dairy (especially milk) products are indeed very harmful for human consumption. A good place to start reading is well researched book called The China Study.

          Sprucetop wrote on December 28th, 2010
        • check out the China Study that looked at the population of rural China and the occurance of cancer. It concluded that the consumation of dairy and meet,as a primary part of the diet has a direct connection to higher rates of all types of cancer and illness. After all if we were ment to eat meet why do we have to cook it and why do most mammals ween their young off milk at around 6 months and we continue to drink it our whole lives. Not to mention that we are the only mammals that drink the milk of another mammal.

          joe wrote on April 4th, 2011
        • Actually, drinking pasteurized milk is very bad for you. It’s because it is all homogenized now. That means the fat is broken down throughout the milk. Then that microscopic fat inflames a human’s arteries. Then cholesterol comes to put out the fire, so to speak. That’s how arteries get clogged up.

          Raw milk, not homogenized is fine.

          Kari wrote on August 9th, 2011
        • I know of somebody that got a paralyzing condition from drinking raw milk in the south. Stick to pasteurized milk.

          Chris wrote on September 6th, 2011
      • I drink half a gallon of milk a day and I don’t have any health problems….

        Jordan wrote on October 29th, 2010
        • You will!

          amy wrote on December 10th, 2010
        • I hope it is organic milk from grass fed, clean cattle. The factory milk is so bad for you, although I am living proof that you can survive on it (used to drink tons of factory milk growing up, 2-3 gallons a week).

          Todd wrote on December 12th, 2010
        • Just wait….

          spartan wrote on April 10th, 2011
        • there’s nothing wrong with milk, its a source of protein and a great source of calcium

          Jeff wrote on May 18th, 2011
        • And if he never gets sick from the milk, please don’t be disappointed, Amy and Jordan.
          In the end, we will all die of something.

          Let’s not be so smug about being healthy. For everyone, it’s just a question of time.
          Health conscious people sometimes sound like :
          “I am eating sooo right and they are eating sooo wrong… aren’t I good and aren’t they gonna get sooo sick!”

          Sonia wrote on July 4th, 2011
        • Yet. My husband has done that for years & he’s “healthy” from a conventional standpoint. I found a whole health Dr. who I just started seeing for myself & can’t wait to get my husband through the door. His body & mind are so out of balance. Milk isn’t the only red flag but it is a great sign that there are probably some major deficiencies & imbalances.

          NLP wrote on September 13th, 2011
        • How is that salient. Anecdotal blathering is nothing more than an unsupported opinion bolstered by isolated experience and without a whole picture. I haven’t had a glass of milk in 10 years and I don’t have any health problems….. My statement means as little as yours does.

          The dairy industry promotes milk through convincing people they need calcium, but kelp, collard greens, turnip greens, almonds, kale, parsley, figs, and MANY more food products contain MORE calcium than whole milk. The other thing they don’t want you to know is that the reason there is a trend toward older people needing calcium is that the food we eat causes out bodies to “harvest” the calcium from our bones to neutralize an acidic body. Take out animal products (or at least heavily limit), reduce sugar intake and eat a truly healthy diet, and the decalcification never happens, and you wouldn’t be susceptible to the false claims of a multi-billion dollar industry.

          Colin wrote on December 30th, 2011
        • I grew up drinking raw milk. When I started to drink pasteurized milk, all sorts of digestive issues started for me. 20 years later I discovered it was the milk. Now that I have substituted mostly coconut products, I no longer have acid reflux or other digestive issues. Plus I have also started a special way of combining my foods which has helped even more! So, no peanut butter on my fruit. I eat all my fruit plain and by itself–can’t mix with other foods as it digests more quickly than other foods.

          MP wrote on January 30th, 2012
      • Your father milked cows that were only 250 pounds? What’s he milking – calves? Don’t have much faith in his skills/opinions. And we eat their meat – by that logic shouldn’t that cause the same health problems?
        Anyway, trust me, most (if not all) cows/bulls would continue to drink milk into their old age if someone (mom, the farmer) would let them/feed it to them. Cats drink milk their whole lives too – dogs would too but it’s not a ‘tradition’ to do so, so people don’t feed it to them.
        Some people can’t tolerate milk – they shouldn’t drink it. Doesn’t mean other people can’t or that it isn’t a healthy food. Some people are deathly allergic to nuts – doesn’t mean no one should eat them.

        One thing for sure: No animals besides humans cook their food. Would your dad suggest we shouldn’t either? :)

        jade wrote on October 31st, 2010
        • ummmm… Yes, we eat their meat. But not their feces. Cow feces are bad for you, even though we eat their meat. Interesting the way not everything that comes from an animal is suitable for ingestion.

          Muser wrote on February 24th, 2011
        • how thick are you? because we eat meat milk is fine. then you go on to say ‘trust me’… milk is drank my calves that have four stomachs, we have one…
          and the point about not cooking food which side of the argument are you on? you shouldn’t cook food it reduces the content. you cook food to improve the taste but with veg your cooking away the minerals and vitamins.

          a pine wrote on March 16th, 2011
        • Adult cats are lactose-intolerant…

          BlueRaja wrote on April 4th, 2011
        • Well my dog was raised on milk, eggs and he also loved veggies. He lived longer than most dogs of his breed- he was a pomeranian and died at 17.

          Milk may not be a natural food but neither is meat? Seriously, do you have the canines and the claws to hunt and eat on your own?

          dee wrote on April 24th, 2011
      • What kind of tiny cows are these 250 pounders?

        Rick wrote on February 28th, 2011
        • When he wrote : “we drink the milk of an animal that is 250 pounds”, maybe he meant “we drink the milk destined for an animal that is 250 pounds”, meaning the calf…?

          Sonia wrote on March 31st, 2011
        • Bravo, Sonia. Yes, it’s quite obvious he was talking about the calves, isn’t it? I’m glad someone else kept the brain switched on. His point was twofold: one, we are the only animal who continues to want to drink milk as adults; not only that, but two, we drink the milk of a 250 pound animal, i.e., we drink milk made for a 250-pound animal. It’s their milk, so it’s the milk of that animal, and how much does a calf weigh? About 250 pounds. When you consider that a baby cow is bigger than most adult humans, the father has quite a point, really.

          Howard wrote on May 6th, 2011
        • @ Howard
          ;)

          Sonia wrote on May 7th, 2011
      • WHAT !!!
        If wolves had a way to milk a cow, they would drink her milk and for that matter cows themselves. Try giving an adult dog or a cat milk and see what happens. Guess what, they love it. haha

        And why is not eating meat of a 250 lb animal(actually cows are more like 1000 lb or more) does not make you wonder why we have health problems?

        Jay wrote on March 12th, 2011
        • If I had a way to fly, I would! Dogs also love chocolate and it can kill them. Many people love heroine, cocaine, ect. To simply say, “they love it” is not a valid argument here.

          Mike wrote on February 27th, 2012
        • my cat does not like milk anymore…she OUTGREW drinking it. we are the most obese nation on earth because a sad majority of the “adults” in this country are “adult children” in disguise. no nation on earth comsumes more dairy than americans. ice cream is bizarro as a food if you have actually cleansed your body of sugar’s toxic effects and residues and mucus causing dairy and go back to it, you would see. milk is only for BABIES, whatever the specie!

          grace wrote on September 7th, 2012
      • lots of other animals drink milk after maturation. Visit India sometime and you will find primates(monkey’s) run up and milk cows routinely.

        Just another myth to get over

        Ace wrote on April 17th, 2011
      • That’s too funny! I mean, it makes sense and I love it! I should pass that quote on to those of my clients who always argue “ugh…but what am I gonna do without my 1% milk?!” Lol

        Claire wrote on October 27th, 2011
        • my comment was in response to “creative4areason”

          Claire wrote on October 27th, 2011
      • :)

        ashlie wrote on December 23rd, 2011
      • Growing up on a farm I can tell you cats, dogs, pigs, humans etc. will all drink raw goat and cow milk as adults and relish it! We aren’t the only animals that enjoy milk as adults. It’s just we’re the only ones who have figured out how to drink it as adults. Other animals stop because they need to reproduce more and breastfeeding can inhibit fertility and also breastfeeding can deplete the female animals body of nutrients she needs to survive and reproduce. In addition, it’s not very practical to have adult offspring following you around trying to nurse all the time. If other animals could figure out how to have other animals produce milk for them they would drink it forever too. Just watch my cat go crazy over a bowl of raw cream when I give it to her as a treat.

        Rain wrote on January 15th, 2012
        • Just because we found a way to do it doesnt make it right. I can find a way to drive with my feet. That doesnt make it a good idea.

          Mike wrote on February 27th, 2012
      • actually almost any animal will drink milk if it’s offered it, think about your pet cat of dog if you’ve ever had one our cat always used to drink milk.

        Josh wrote on January 21st, 2012
        • Actually, cow’s (and goat/any other mammal’s) milk is very unhealthy for adult cats and often causes digestive issues, including a pretty good risk of diarrhea. Your cat may not die from drinking milk regularly, but they won’t be feeling too great afterwards. They lack the lacto enzymes required to break down the lactate in milk, aka most mammals, once weaned, become lactose-intolerant

          Nika wrote on March 31st, 2012
      • That’s why you drink fat free milk! Yes, the amount of fat is for a baby cow, but think of the bennefits of breast-fed babies, I think the health bennefits of milk are numerable! My personal opinion.

        Nicole wrote on July 31st, 2012
    • Cows milk is designed for calves the same as human milk is designed for babies…cows milk varies in protein, calcium, essential fatty acids as wel as others – which can have massive consequences on feeding a babies on cows milk.
      As with adults milk is constantly promtoed as a good source of calcium, but what is not mentioned is calcium works along side magnesium. The optimum ratio is 2:1..in milk the ratio of calcium to magnesium is 10:1. So too much milk could cause a deficiency and imbalance.
      But dont get me wrong im a great fan of milk if its from a good source, as long as its not a huge part of someones weekly diet.

      sjordan wrote on February 6th, 2011
    • I was thinking the same thing.

      Nicole wrote on April 3rd, 2011
    • because one day baby will grow up so that we can taste its meal.

      LUTA wrote on August 3rd, 2011
    • exactly!

      its like “real men eat meet”
      but milk is for cookies and kids ja!

      alex wrote on August 20th, 2011
  9. the highest source of protein is….a blue green algea called Spirulina! By precentage of protein it is over 60% which is higher than beef. It also is fabulous in fro yo, yogurt, apple sauce, shakes, healthy baked goods. Plus a power house of minerals omegas and your body easily assimulates it compared to harder to digest proteins..”its not what you eat it’s what you assimulate”…. I like that you can add superior protein to carb foods without altering the taste too much. Have to add Kefir to the list which is better than yogurt. I make my own from raw milk add probiotics and it is perfection.

    Hailey wrote on July 19th, 2008
    • Spirulina is indeed a source of protein, but neither your body, nor the body of any human will be able to break it down and use it for anything. it will simply be expelled from your body as waste. Any blue-green algae also comes with risks of the growth of unhealthy microorganisms. BG Algae is also a false source of B12 as there is no evidence that there is much if any usable B12 and the tests are more likely false positives.

      Colin wrote on December 30th, 2011
      • This is not true, to my knowledge. Spirulina protein is bioavailable. NASA plans on using it in space. It’s a more expensive source of protein than meat though.
        If you really want to look at amino acid ratios of foods, check out nutritiondata.com.

        Merry wrote on January 21st, 2012
      • Not true! The protein in Spirulina is 85-95% digestible, one of the highest available (the protein from eggs being even more bio-available). And Spirulina is a good source of B12. 36% of the total corrinoid vitamin B-12 activity in Spirulina is human active. Check it out for yourself:
        http://www.cyanotech.com/pdfs/spirulina/spbul52.PDF

        Joe B wrote on February 5th, 2012
  10. what about hemp milk???

    Lara wrote on July 23rd, 2008
  11. Garbonzo beans are great as well as they have about 6ish grams of protein per cup and while low calories can keep you going for hours. An egg per day is a good source as well as long as you remove the yolk as that has 100% of the fat in eggs.

    Lemar A wrote on December 9th, 2008
    • It’s good fat :) Eat the yolk!

      Grace wrote on July 31st, 2011
      • If you are on autoimmune paleo like me eat the yolk only. Egg whites contain enzyme lysozyme that breaks down intestinal lining.

        Martin wrote on January 9th, 2013
    • The fat contained in egg yokes are actually a type of fat that is good for you. Plus all the vitamins are in the yoke. Buy eggs from a local farmer who lets their chickens get lots of sun and doesn’t feed them soy, but rather lets them eat a diet mostly of worms and other bugs. Studies show that pastured chickens who get sunshine and aren’t eating a diet consisting mostly of grain and soy will produce eggs containing approximately 3 times as much vitamin D, 1/3 less cholesterol, 1/4 less saturated fat, 2/3 more vitamin A, two times more omega-3 fatty acids, three times more vitamin E and seven times more beta carotene than eggs from the big chains in most grocery stores. So even though those eggs are more expensive you’ll also get more out of them. :) So remember to buy pastured eggs. You’ll be happier, your local farmers will be happier and chickens will be happier.

      Avi wrote on March 22nd, 2012
  12. Quinoa’s not a complete protein?
    So…which essential amino acid is missing?

    Stuff wrote on January 28th, 2009
    • Soy has phytic acid which cuases mineral deficiencies, it contains isoflavones (estrogen mimickers) that do bad bad things to the body, especially women. Chickpeas also contain phytic acid.

      90% of peanuts grown in the US are GMO. Who knows WHAT that will do to us in the future.

      I was vegan and became so much healthier when I went back to eating local, grass fed beef and chicken.

      Annie Sires wrote on September 9th, 2012
  13. Being a strict vegan and nutbutter head, I think it way cool that almond butter made number two on this list.

    But, I balance almond butter, chick peas (via hummous), peanut butter and soy milk, to get most of my protein, with splendid results.

    Thus, I would remove peanut butter from the ‘evil counterparts to good proteins list’ and would remove raw soy as well.
    Both are excellent, assuming a lack of allergies.

    I would also recommend having almonds and peanuts in butter form, since they need to be ground up good to digest. Walnuts and pecans, on the other hand, can be had by the handful.
    Chick peas as hummous? Just a preference here.

    And, if I can ever find a genuinely cruelty free form of dairy, I will revert to lacto-vegetarian form from strict vegan since 1996 (vegetarian since 1987).
    Fresh milk is definitely better than any meat for all nutritional purposes.

    But, other than that.
    Not bad!

    Cheers.

    Paul wrote on January 31st, 2009
  14. What’s the general opinion regarding cottage cheese as a source of protein? Does it fall into the less processed cheese category with ricotta and such, or is it in with the more heavily processed cheddar, colby and jack?

    Thanks, Frieda

    Frieda Harden wrote on February 2nd, 2009
    • Most cottage cheese now has carbon dioxide to retard spoilage.

      iuvenesco wrote on May 4th, 2011
  15. Cashews?

    Aaron wrote on February 7th, 2009
  16. hmmmm. I am still not convinced as to why egg whites in a carton are not a viable/healthy source of protein. Your argument against them seems more based on personal opinion than fact. I could use your same argument and claim that if we were meant to eat cooked beef the cow would produce it that way. Or that cleaning a fish (i.e removing the scale/bones/guts) isn’t the proper way nature intended us to eat it. Just because a food is processed doesn’t mean it is loaded with sodium and preservatives and chemicals. The ONLY ingredient listed on the egg white carton is 100% Egg whites. NO preservatives or anything else. If they are lying let me know and we will alert the FDA.
    What is the difference between mechanically separated egg whites and “humanly” separated egg whites other than speed?
    Am I wrong in saying that all the pasteurization process does is kill off bacteria and restructures the amino acids in the egg whites allowing for their protein to be absorbed during digestion…the same process that would occur when cooking eggs from the shell at home?
    I usually use egg whites from a carton for smoothies for several reasons. 1. I don’t want to risk the possibility that an egg white I separate myself contains harmful bacteria 2. As an egg needs to be heated in order to make its protein absorbent, it would be very hard to imitate the pasteurization process at home while maintaining the egg white’s liquid form. 3. It’s very wasteful and time consuming separating eggs.
    In no way am I saying that overall, an egg white is better for you than an Organic DHA-Enhanced Egg from the shell. I agree that the egg yolk contains has many nutritional benefits, i.e vitamins, minerals, etc etc, but your post is specifically on sources of Protein not anything else… and your argument on egg whites seems more against it’s packaging than its health benefits. When my butcher separates the meat from the cow is he not processing it? When wraps it in paper or cellophane wrap is that not an unnatural container for it? If I am wrong please let me know. But not based on that a carton is unappetizing to you. Give facts as to way the protein value in egg whites in a carton is somehow less than a normal eggs.

    Geoff wrote on March 13th, 2009
    • From what I understand, eating the egg whites without the yolks will cause a biotin deficiency…

      Joelle wrote on May 21st, 2009
      • you mean, too. Dummy.

        Andrew wrote on August 5th, 2010
      • that’s why I add two eggs w yolks with my other 4 egg whites hehe

        Jordan wrote on October 29th, 2010
        • “As someone who appreciates the Buddhist idea of ahimsa, I fully appreciate the motive to not harm any living thing.”

          Since when were plants not living things? If we did not eat living things, we would soon be extinct (rule #1), that is after our species dies out from eating the garbage we sometimes call food (see rule #1) I agree with eating wisely, but don’t rule out an entire kingdom (one of the only two kingdoms: plants and animals) as not living. If you mean, do no harm to the animal kingdom, then be careful what bugs you squash daily. Don’t swat that mosquito! Also are you careful not to wear leather or have leather wallets – how about wool clothing…

          Petunia wrote on January 6th, 2011
        • thats smart

          leanna bartuska wrote on January 30th, 2012
      • Not if is is heated first. Raw egg whites would cause biotin deficiency. Cooked or pasteurized egg whites are fine.

        Steve wrote on February 3rd, 2014
    • For what it’s worth, I agree with you 100% Geoff. Carton egg whites are fine and the FDA requires they put any additives on the ingredient list right? Mine also just says 100% egg whites – so what’s the problem? I’m guessing I’m not going to find much value on this website because I also add fat free cheddar to my carton of egg whites (also a no no according to this post) and top it all off with a healthy portion of low-fat cottage cheese for lunch. Oh well, I guess I’ll move on to another site I can agree with. :-)

      Kernman wrote on May 17th, 2010
      • Sad thing is that you don’t even realize how all this is not about opinion. Egg whites, “100%” are not actually “100%” but processed and mixed with all sorts of things. The fat free cheese, is mostly processed oils. Eat real food, eat local, and eat nothing processed. That’s the point of this web site, along with the idea of Primal.

        Annie Sires wrote on February 6th, 2012
    • Eating egg whites only, to me is like eating rice cakes. What’s the point? The yolk is, in my opinion, the most important and nutritious part of the egg. Also, I personally do not believe in wasting anything and if an egg yolk is the worst thing I am consuming than I think I would be pretty well off.

      Brian wrote on August 14th, 2010
    • what’s wrong with the egg yolk in the smoothie?

      chris wrote on December 29th, 2011
    • I think you misunderstood his point. What I understood from his saying is you need to avoid anything non-organic. And you are not sure the eggs in carton are 100% organic. Plus the yolk which is loaded with essential nutrients is taken away. That’s why you should avoid it and purchase only organic eggs yourself. And it’s not because it is written on the box “100% egg whites” that it’s the only content of it. They probably add a conservative. A carton is not supposed to keep an egg content fresh. A sophisticated shell is.
      He is not saying eggs in cartons are bad. He is saying fresh organic ones are BETTER.

      Steve wrote on February 3rd, 2014
  17. Beef, chicken and salmon? No thanks, I’ll stick to my tofu and peanut butter. Say what you will, but like many vegetarians and vegans, I simply will not consume a dead animal. Ever.

    Michael M. Koch wrote on March 20th, 2009
    • OMG–what the heck do you think cavemen ate–animals and fish, nuts and berries from plants and trees. No hunt=no food

      Suzane Wells wrote on August 3rd, 2009
      • How is that applicable to modern life? Do you hunt your own food, run or walks miles upon miles daily, go without food during some winter days and weeks, do you cook over an open flame, do you eat carrion, do you chew bone to get to the marrow, do you have a lifespan of less than 1/4 of the Western average? NO. So stop comparing ancient man to modern man. Also look at today’s human. Was caveman bombarded with artificial toxins, was he overloaded with systemic pesticides, herbicides, hormones, pharm, etc, etc, etc? NO.

        Neanderthal did indeed eat prodigious amounts of animal flesh, but he also ate much of it raw. He hunted his game and did not domesticate. His fitness level was that of a modern day world class athlete.

        Humans have evolved past this and I am not talking mentally and psychosocially. Many men and women in modern civilization are born without wisdom teeth. Wisdom teeth were a necessary trait in a time when meat consumption was paramount. We don’t need them anymore as our diets no longer need rely on animal products.

        Colin wrote on December 30th, 2011
        • THANK YOU COLIN! THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!! I don’t think anyone could have said that better! That analogy drives me insane!

          Mike wrote on February 27th, 2012
        • you say that primitive man had a much shorter lifespan. This may be true but there is no evidence that this had anything to do with diet, but rather the harsh conditions out in the wild as well as a lack of medical care and starvation during periods of scarcity.as for eating bone marrow many people following a primal or paleo diet do in fact break open bones to get to the marrow.They also generally avoid those pesticides, herbicides,and hormones by eating mostly if not entirly organic, whole foods.Fasting for periods of time is also common on the diet in an attempt to mimic periods of starvation as well as to “clean out” our systems so to speak.although people on the paleo diet do not generally eat carrion but primitive humans wouldn’t have either if they had the choice. also you claim we have evolved beyond eating meat. We may have evolved a small amount over the last ten thousand years since the invention of agriculture but it has been an extremely small amount. Human bodies still digest and use food the same as they did ten thousand years ago. also there are still societies today which live on a diet very similar to our hunter gatherer ancesters. The inuit for example live on a diet of almost entirely meat and have very low rates of heart disease.Like primitive man they also eat much of their meat raw. There have also been no documented adverse effects from their diet. While humans are capable of surviving on plant foods this in no way indicates that they can not survive equally well or even better with meat in their diet.You also say to stop comparing ancient man to modern man but that makes no sense, to me at least for one reason, genetically we are almost exactly the same. anyway while we can never go back to living in a hunter gatherer society, (and I for one don’t particularly want to) i believe that it still makes sense for us to eat a diet that we have evolved over millions of years to eat. you also say that primitive man had to exercise much more than modern man. This is also true but more exercise generally means a larger amount of carbohydrates are necesarry. so if primitive man was able to live on such a small amount of carbohydrates even while doing that much exercise it seems to me to be a point in favor of a paleolithic diet low in carbohydrates rather than against it.also I don’t believe that what Suzanne said was meant to offend you, she probably just assumed that because you were on this website you were interested in a paleolithic diet. I won’t judge you for not eating meat and i see no reason to.I also hope that the majority of people won’t judge you for it or see a reason to. But I would also ask that regardless of your belief that eating meat is immoral or unhealthy you won’t judge me or others for eating meat.I do however understand your frustration. Many people are not accepting of others who live a different lifestyle and it can be annoying when people preach to you about why they believe your lifestyle is wrong. I do apologise if this comment offends you in any way because i really don’t mean for it to.

          Jason wrote on April 16th, 2012
        • And when we talk about ancient man we are talking about ancient homo sapien, not neanderthal. They are two different species of man. We are not neanderthals (we just have some lingering genes from them in us). Sorry, but that is a pet peeve. Grok is not a Neanderthal.

          Heather wrote on May 8th, 2013
    • Thanks for your noble sacrifice, which leaves more delicious meat for the rest of us.

      Yum!

      Corey wrote on January 15th, 2010
    • Michael, your post, like your diet, lacks balance. Nothing wrong in combining meat and vegetable to create a nutritious meal.

      Lions kill and eat animals every day. They have evolved to be carnivorous, it’s just what they do, there’s nothing wrong about it.

      Likewise, we have evolved to be omnivorous (yes, even you) for a reason. Sure, we can choose to go one way. But don’t be fooled into believing that the choice you have made is the better choice.

      Ray wrote on March 4th, 2010
      • how do elephants hippos and horses grow so big and muscular without eating other animals?

        tommy d wrote on March 3rd, 2011
        • Lmao, Hippo’s are vegetarian you nub xD, however your principal is mostly correct (except now you’ve opened yourself up to the point, how are Hippo’s so muscular then? xD)

          Max wrote on September 2nd, 2011
        • This was rather amusing. Hippos are vicious. They may not eat other animals, but it doesn’t stop them from killing them.

          Jane wrote on September 23rd, 2011
        • Hippos do on occasion eat meat but it is rare.

          Avi wrote on March 22nd, 2012
        • EXACTLY! I LOVE WHEN SOME IDIOTS SAY TO ME, OH NO MEAT?? HOW DO YOU GET YOUR PROTEIN! …I say just that, THE SAME DAMN WAY AN ELEPHANT , HORSE AND HIPPO GET THEIRS! The strongest beast on earth! People are so uneducated.

          mar wrote on December 21st, 2012
    • The movie Food Inc says it all. It will even change what soy source u will eat,,,,,hello sprouted grains and almond butter!

      Eileen wrote on May 5th, 2010
    • Michael, I have been a vegetarian for some time and I appreciate your stance. Only recently, I have begun to rethink this – after a review here of Lierre Keith’s book “The Vegetarian Myth”. While I am still researching this, I think the most poignant point made by Keith in her book is that we vegetarians are fooling ourselves if we think that our non-meat diet doesn’t result in the death of MANY animals. This is especially true if we have a largely grain-based diet which has caused near total destruction of the habitats of many (thousands?) of creatures.

      Our food – and therefore our life – depends on other things dying for us. It is a fact we cannot escape.

      Lance wrote on August 1st, 2010
      • There is no doubt that the simple fact that we are alive will result in animals being displaced and no matter our diet, there will be animal deaths. However, given the fact that we cannot eliminate All deaths, should we not still strive for the Least deaths possible? Causing the least harm possible?
        Massive quantities of the grain we grow is used to feed animals in CAFOs. Thus not only are there wild animals dying in the fields, we are then killing yet more for our plates. And, even if you look at the diet of eating 100% free range beef (with No finishing at feedlots), 100% free range dairy, and no consumption of eggs – the numbers of animal deaths are still higher than that of a veg*n diet.

        Steven Davis wrote a paper that attempted to show that veg*nism caused more death – but (the Many other flaws with his paper aside), when the math on his paper was corrected, it in fact showed that veg*ns cause the least death. [http://homepage.uab.edu/nnobis/papers/least-harm.pdf]

        So again – since as long as we are alive, something will die, does that mean that we should give up and kill unnecessarily, or that, during our time here, we should strive to take the fewest lives possible..to cause the least harm.

        jason wrote on August 7th, 2010
        • cont..
          Based on your post, I’m thinking you would agree with the latter. In which case – instead of reverting back to consuming meat, should we not be looking at ways to further reduce the harm & death we cause? Be it buying local & in season, growing our own gardens, limiting grain consumption, buying organic, funding alternate harvesting methods, the list goes on.

          It seems to me that while veg*nism is ~not~ perfect and still does cause death, it is the best option we currently have – and as such, it is a base from which we can take steps to yet further reduce our impact.

          jason wrote on August 7th, 2010
        • Jason,

          These are some wonderful points that I will look into. Thank you for taking the time to offer them here.

          While doing this research, I am also going to consider as many relevant factors as possible. For instance, is death of animals necessarily bad? (I’m of course not arguing for completely unnecessary death, nor am I arguing in favor of the torture of animals in CAFOs.) If causing the death of animals is bad (seemingly an obvious point for someone who has been a vegetarian for moral reasons), then of course the diet that causes the least death is the most bad. I don’t know the answer to that question, though, so I will have to think more about it. As someone who appreciates the Buddhist idea of ahimsa, I fully appreciate the motive to not harm any living thing.

          The second question is whether or not we are, by nature, “intended” to eat meat. (I say “intended” to mean by evolution, not deistic intent.) I don’t know the answer to this question either. It seems to me there are convincing arguments both in favor of and against humans eating meat. So I don’t know that either, and will have to continue to research this topic.

          What I wish is that more people would ask these questions. It seems obvious to me that we should grow absolutely as much food as we can. And if we decide to eat meat, it should be in limited quantities from local, sustainable sources.

          And if grain has led to civilization, then it has also led to the destruction of the planet. A VERY limited grain intake seems necessary.

          Anyhow, thank you again for your comments.

          Lance wrote on August 7th, 2010
        • Hi Lance,

          You’ve left me with a few things to think about as well.

          In the meantime, a few thoughts:
          > is death of animals necessarily bad?
          I think this is a good question in so far as, like most things, to me, it is not always so black and white. I personally wouldn’t necessarily always place a value judgment on death; at least not on a high level. To me, for better or worse, death is a part of life. And there are times when one needs to kill in order to live.

          For instance, someone living ‘in the middle of nowhere’ – there aren’t grocery stores around, it is ~many~ miles to get to any version of a store, and in the winter, those miles are snowed in. So what happens when the rice and beans run low and the winter is uncharacteristically long? What happens if winter came early – before you had a chance to stock up on rice and beans?
          Or, for the many in the world who are poor – vegetarianism is often a default diet because it is cheaper; however, if offered an animal for slaughter and consumption, they’d be turning down a chance to feed their families.

          But, in all of these cases, it comes down to need.
          I shall never walk out my door and shoot someone – even if it’s not random – be it that person made me mad, or I know I can get that person’s ATM card. In my mind, reasons or not, I am simply fulfilling a personal want and thus the killing is blatantly wrong. But if I were attacked – if I had to kill in order to survive, I view the taking of this life as quite different from one that is not necessary. And, my views remain the same when it comes to taking the life of any being, regardless of species.

          So I don’t personally view it as always good or always bad. But, to me, if we have an underlying respect for life (which I think you’ll agree is greatly lacking nowadays), how can we indiscriminately kill? How can we justify taking life merely out of want? And if we don’t need that death, is it anything but killing for want?

          Q2 – I’m not sure either. I’ve seen arguments on both sides. My belief at this point is that our systems are that of a minimal omnivore. It seems that a majority of our systems line up with herbivores. But, a small percentage does not. Thus, my impression at this point is that we were ‘created’ to eat both, but with a *high* plant content.

          However, the ‘design’ of our bodies is from many, many years of evolution. And none of those years had grocery stores. None of those years had agriculture. We were ‘created’ long before there were crops. So while the ‘design’ of our system may allow us to consume eggs, flesh, and plants – this does not by any means mean we have to. The ‘design’ was simply the version of us that won and was able to thrive under the circumstances. Nowadays, we live in completely different circumstances and thus, to me, whether or not my ancestor’s ancestors ate flesh is ultimately irrelevant if I don’t have to to thrive.

          That said, I do think that though one could also attempt to emulate the original diet. it would be quite difficult as it would be purely hunting and gathering. (Cows, modern pigs, chickens, etc are a far cry from the original animals.) And in all actuality, when it comes to the least harm, I think that if the person hunting is quite skilled and shows enormous respect, this quite possibly is equal to or less harm than a veg*n diet. However, it is not sustainable on a large scale; there is simply not enough wilderness left to have the general public going out to get their food. (And, while it may be equal on a harm scale, that is based on the assumption that you have people who have a great respect for life going out there. This is a false premise if we all pack up the neighbors and head out to the woods to do us some shootin’ and drinking and stomping on all the plants. Thus again, to me, (since I go at it from a least harm view), the hunting method is knocked off the list as an option of how to ‘be the change you wish to see’.)

          As for growing food, I am happy that it ~seems~ that more and more people are starting to look at those giant patches of grass in front of their houses and wonder why they’re there instead of other plants (or food!). It’s a slow process, and ultimately seems to have taken a greater hold simply due to the economy. But, whatever the reason, I’m quite happy that the seed has been planted that we don’t all have to purchase everything. We have lawns to rip up; we have community gardens; we even have vacant lots. No matter what, we can be growing some of our food (and support our local farmers instead of regularly purchasing out of season products from thousands of miles away.)

          I do agree with you on the meat front – quadruply so with the limited quantities. Putting aside all value judgments on taking a life or not, the current American meat at every meal diet is beyond unsustainable. It is (literally) killing us and it is killing the planet. I do wish more people would see the connection and/or act upon what they see (the latter being the hardest as we are quite resistant to giving up our personal wants for the benefit of either our future needs, or the greater good’s needs.

          When it comes to grain – have you read Ishmael? I’m sure the concept has been introduced elsewhere, but it also was introduced in Ishmael that essentially, the beginning of our demise was agriculture.
          I don’t know if grains are the devil so to speak. Personally, I’ve been of the mindframe that I also read in Ishmael – that it is simply agriculture in general. Which actually personally led me on the ‘if agriculture has done great harm, how can I/we live in ways that don’t depend on it’ which again lead to hunting and gathering..and then lead back to veg*nism due to the implementation/sustainability issues of hunting/gathering.
          In many ways, I wish similar question had been asked many years ago – when the wilderness was prevalent and going back to basics could sustain us all.

          Anyway, I appreciate your reply. If you have any further thoughts, I’d be interested in hearing them. And if not, kind regards.

          jason wrote on August 8th, 2010
        • how can you say its the best option we have? most of the animals we kill are bred purely for that purpose, so they wouldnt be alive anyway as there would be no point of having them in a vegetarian society

          jeff wrote on May 11th, 2011
      • The vast majority of grain being grown is for animal feed. The amount of grain it takes per lb of meet is ridiculously disproportionate. When it comes to the environment, pollution, and destruction of rain forests etc., see it for what it is.

        ssk wrote on December 17th, 2010
        • Hence the “grass-fed” part

          Deb wrote on February 6th, 2011
        • to the one who said no stores, etc…One can raise ALL the food they need, from the ground and tree’s, …for less money too….Right in their own back yard!

          mar wrote on December 21st, 2012
      • thats the trick with a complex world and systems, where ever the change occurs will bring a change to the whole system. this is where the ethics lie. understanding the interconnections and making a choice. So vegan ism is not necessarily the solution. And the above comment is the most interesting i have seen so far. Vegans do run a risk of health issues later down the track. Unless they are very well informed. And many are not. I believe chia contains 8 or 9 amino acids and it is something i particularly enjoy. i am curious if the author cold do a comparison with chia and almonds. From personal experience of trying many many foods chia is the most instantly uplifting and energizing. Along with spiralina has helped me eliminate caffeine. Spiralina was also not on your list, and i think it should be. And to the nut butter vegan i am disappointed you didn’t mention it. However the hemp seed milk sounds interesting, and i am interested to try some.

        maryke wrote on July 1st, 2011
      • Indirectly we can cause destruction on many levels. But to compare killing and eating an animal ,with life lost because of loosing habitat(10yrs letter,and the animal has a choice to move to newer grounds,and he probably will) is abysmally flawed.And that same thing is going to happen anyway, because the animals you kill need some food(which will come from the aforementioned destroyed-habitats).

        vegetarian wrote on July 27th, 2011
      • What no vegetarians here have said so far is: none of these intellectual discussions matter. What matters is your answer to this question: can you, personally, kill a chicken, go through the process of dressing it…and still have the stomach to eat it?

        What matters to me in the morality of my food choices is not how many animals theoretically died to bring me the vegetables on my plate but rather, could *I* be the one to murder this animal myself?

        It’s abhorrent to me that most people see meat as something that comes in a package at the supermarket. Those same people would be horrified at the thought of actually killing their own supper. It’s the willful ignorance that I can’t stand. I have no argument with meat-eaters who can kill their own food.

        Karen wrote on November 10th, 2011
        • yes,
          I have and I do…

          I also kill and eat the vegetables and fruits from my garden and I abort the chicken eggs from my flock.

          and have all my life.

          chris wrote on December 29th, 2011
        • Exactly. Waaaay after the date here, but this is the acid test. Well-said.

          Laura-F wrote on March 8th, 2012
      • “This is especially true if we have a largely grain-based diet which has caused near total destruction of the habitats of many (thousands?) of creatures.”

        This is just not honest. In the US (not speaking for the rest of the world), 70% of our agricultural grains are used to feed animals. In any culture where meat consumption is the norm, this will be true. It takes 4-5 times the land area (including grain growth and pastureland) to produce the same caloric and nutritional health in an animal compared to plant based products grown in a non-monoculture.

        A global plant based diet would actually have a positive effect on the biosphere. Take the need for domesticated animals out of the mix. Add 50% of the existing farms back into the “wild”, keeping the remainder for new human consumption based crops, stop monoculture farming in favor of sustainable farming practices. You now have more land that is wild, a healthier diet and a better environment for all creatures.

        All the books that claim that vegetarians and vegans cause the death of animals make a false assumption that we need to grow all the plants we are growing. WE DON’T. We grow huge surpluses and feed most of that to animals.

        Colin wrote on December 30th, 2011
      • Livestock contributes a lot to habitat destruction. Where do you think all the grain/soy/corn that goes into raising cattle comes from?

        Merry wrote on January 21st, 2012
    • Don’t get me wrong, everybody is entitled to eat and believe what ever the want, I just don’t follow the reasoning that vegetarians and vegans give for their dieting choices. I am quite spiritual and believe that everything has an energy which comes from the source of life itself. Therefore, if I were to think the same way, I think I would starve to death.
      Also, there is not one animal or plant or organism in the world that would not feed on you if it had the chance. I believe that vegans and vegetarians only choose to live that way for the same reason that people believe in different religions or have to have big houses or nice cars, so they have some sort of idea of themselves that they can say “this is me”, “this is who I am” because when push comes to shove that is all people care about, who they are.

      Brian wrote on August 14th, 2010
      • Hi Brian,

        I’m sure what you say here may apply to some or many vegetarians/vegans/pescetarians/etc… But I think it’s a rather broad generalization to apply to everyone who chooses not to eat meat or animal products.

        Personally, I do not have a problem with the consumption of animal products if the animals are raised and treated humanely. Unfortunately, because most Americans choose meat as their main course and eat it with every meal, factory farms have to exist to fill the need. I’d been considering giving up meat and seeing the video below made my mind up. I think people who choose not to eat meat at all help balance out the people who eat far too much meat.
        http://www.humanesociety.org/video/index.html?fr_story=fddfc1d63c358bb2db36b53597ceeb7b724f5771&fr_chl=222751a84208af937ad836e8b89a08d42163259e

        Not eating meat is not an ‘identity’ for me. I’m not a vegetarian, then Stephanie. I’m Stephanie and I’ll choose the veggie wrap.

        Stephanie wrote on August 14th, 2010
      • Oh, boy. Brian, I think you make a few good points, but I have to disagree with you when you mention that vegans and vegetarians make their food choices so that they can say “this is me”. With all due respect, it is an ignorant assumption, coming from someone who has never been on the personal journey that led them to remove meat from their diets in the first place. I think that your answer would change if you realized the amount of soul-searching and fact-checking that most people go through in order to eventually change their eating habits. And, if image were the real reason people declared themselves vegan or vegetarian, there would be many more egotistical, pretentious people touting their vegetarianism.

        Ironically, most people become vegan/veg because they are the opposite of selfish. They instead remove themselves from the equation and look at things from the big picture perspective, thinking about others: the animals, of course, the people who are forced to work in the miserable conditions of CAFO’s, the people who live around these facilities who are constantly sick because of the air and water quality that is affected from the runoffs of the farms, and their children and grandchildren who will undoubedtly be faced with cleaning up the mess that previous generations have left.

        I think it’s important to realize that myself, as well as probably many other vegetarians, don’t find it necessary to wear the term like a badge. In fact, most of my friends and acquainances are not even aware that I am vegetarian. The only time I bring it up is when I am in a situation that it calls for, for example, if I am invited over to a dinner and I have to let the host know. I rarely talk about it, unless of course someone is genuinely interested in what led me to my decision.

        Also, I do not drive a fancy car or live in a big house. But if I did, I’d probably have the money to hire a personal chef that could prepare all of my vegetarian meals and make my life a lot easier.

        Alessandra wrote on September 10th, 2010
      • brian your an idiot

        being a vegetarian is a moral choice so for me to have made that choice to be individual (quote: ‘this is me’, ‘this is who i am’) is stupid.

        tho i also know it would be stupid of you to believe me, as there aren’t any truly moral people in the world. so how can i be one?

        ps.
        your twat for trying to say i’m a vegetarian for selfish purposes.

        ps ps. i enjoyed meat. if i was selfish i would still eat it.

        a pine wrote on March 16th, 2011
        • A Pine –

          Just a thought, even though I’m responding to your comment over a year later. For me, moral choices usually involve a question of harm. Will this action cause harm to the environment, harm to animals, harm to self, harm to other humans…? That kind of thing.

          Terms like “idiot” and “stupid” are examples of ableist and insulting language, which I try hard to avoid. And using a slang word for the female genitalia as an insult is also something you might want to reconsider.

          While I understand that Brian’s statements may have felt disrespectful and hit a nerve, defending the choice to abstain from harming/killing animals as moral while using harmful and misogynistic language to express your position seems inconsistent to me. I would ask you to think about the way in which the language that we use is influenced, both historically and currently, by patriarchy and ableist thought.

          I do not mean for my response to come across as judgmental because I certainly am in NO position to point fingers at another. I just wanted to leave a general FYI comment for your consideration.

          FWIW, in the interest of full disclosure, I am not a vegetarian. I was a lacto-ovo vegetarian for two years before becoming a pescetarian in 1995. Pescetarianism, which I am slowly transitioning (narrowing?) into a more PB-focused diet, works best with my personal food preferences, for my health concerns, and it is consistent with my religious beliefs.

          TL wrote on April 12th, 2012
    • I never understand the vegan standpoint. Granted, eating animals may seem cruel, but what about the plants. What if they have feelings too? Eat no animals and eat no plants. What’s left to eat but chemicals, toxins and plastic. ;) This is why I eat a little of everything, as nature had intended us to in the first place.

      Jens wrote on August 15th, 2010
      • Most people have no idea where the animal products they consume come from and I hope those that don’t know would be shocked at the deplorable conditions pigs, cows, and chickens are raised in and the torturous life their forced to endure so that we can buy their flesh, eggs and milk in the pretty, sanitary packages we find at our grocery stores.

        For me it is not a question of whether it is morally wrong to eat meat. If the animals are treated humanly while they live and they are humanely killed I don’t have a problem with supporting the farmer raised, sold and slaughtered them.

        Unfortunately, most people eat meat as their main course for every single meal. First – that is not healthy. We do not need that much protein. Second – and for me most important – that creates a huge demand for meat that humane farming could never keep up with. Therefore factory farms that treat animals so horribly have to exist to fill this great lust for meat.

        I choose not to eat livestock or their products to do my part to lessen my consumption to a responsible level and make up for someone else who won’t be willing to make the same choice. It sounds like it you eat a highly varied diet, you may already have lessened your consumption (or always have had a low consumption) of meat. That’s really all I think we should all feel obligated to do.

        Thanking the next step to abstaining from all meat or all of any particular group of animal products is a personal choice. I won’t judge anyone for not making the same chose that I do and I expect them not to judge me.

        I replied to Brian above, but there was a link in the reply so it is still waiting approval, but this sums up what I said to him.

        I can only speak for myself, but being a vegetarian is not an identity. I choose not to eat livestock, much like I choose who to vote for, may choose not to patron a store whose business practices I disagree with and choose to adopt pets rather than support breeders. My identity is not made up of any one of these choices, but rather all of them and many more.

        Stephanie wrote on August 15th, 2010
        • Please ignore the typos in that. My cat was climbing my chair and I wasn’t paying good attention. It’s a shame this system won’t let you go back and edit! Oh well…

          Stephanie wrote on August 15th, 2010
        • I may have been vague in my post, but I wasn’t quite prepared to give everybody step by step information on how exactly to eat. But yes, you are right people are used to eating way too much meat, usually half their meal consists of it. You should limit your meat intake to at most 1/3 of your total meal. And what’s more; believe it or not, but this ravaging blood thirsty meat eater doesn’t eat meat at every meal. I believe you need to eat a variety of food, to meet all the needs your body has.
          As for clean, moral farms not being able to keep up with the demands of us meat eating humans, I own and operate a family business and in my world when you become busier your business grows with it. Also, there would probably be more farmers if more profitable. I don’t know where you’re from, but all I see happening at farms in my area is the farmer growing farther into debt until the farm shuts down, because the big chain grocers and restaurants can buy their meat and produce for ten cents less a pound. Last week I had a farmer buy $50 worth of diesel fuel and he paid with a $50 bill from 1937. Probably the first one he had ever had. But you had better not make his farm anymore busy. Now, one thing I would like to know is if everybody who thinks so much about where their meat comes from (which is a good thing), also puts as much thought into where their produce and nuts come from. Most of them are grown in inhumane crowed conditions, sprayed with pesticides and fertilized in manure from the same cows that you all refuse to eat.(Which again, a good thing). The same companies own and operate all of these super farms. Super farms are just that, farms that mass produce everything, not just meat, with little or no regard to quality of their product or lasting effects on the consumer and unless you are buying local you are probably supporting one of these farms, and if you aren’t then you have to be supporting a local farm (which is good). So tell me, Stephanie, which one are you? The one who supports the mean produce, beef, chicken and pork farmers (like you say we shouldn’t) or the one who is putting a “strain” on local farmers (again, like you say we shouldn’t) because you can’t be doing neither you have to get food from somewhere.
          And finally this leads me to your identity. Being a vegetarian is not an identity in itself, (you would be very boring if it was). It is however, one of many things that make up your identity. You identify with you diet, the same way you identify with your perfume or cologne, it’s pieces of you that make up a whole. Maybe you don’t identify with it as much as the next person, but trust me when I say you do to an extent. If you didn’t, you would have a clearer mind on the subject, which you don’t considering as you do not hold your produce and nuts to the same measure as you hold your meat. This tells me that you need to defend your point of thought in order to keep that part of your identity alive. So yes, the vegetarian belief that you’ve instilled in your life has become a part of you whether you like it or not.
          The moral of the story, boys and girls, is that you should eat a healthy balanced diet of everything, without over eating, and if you choose to take one thing or another out of your diet then please! Please when asked about it just say “I do it because I choose to” not because you are saving the world or feel bad for the cows. And lastly please don’t believe everything you’re told. Like, although humans are designed to farm and the earth is designed to be farmed, we couldn’t possibly, no way, no how, survive just like we have since humans first stepped onto this earth by farming. From now on, try to look into things a little bit more. I think someone above said it; RESEARCH! Do your research and you’ll make better decisions.

          Brian wrote on August 15th, 2010
        • Brian,

          To address many of the things in your post would just be repeating myself. I do appreciate your opinion and respect your right to it, just as I hope you respect mine.

          As living beings I believe that animals deserve more consideration than produce. You seem to disagree. If you can really look at a head of lettuce and then look into a little piglet’s eyes and believe that both are equal and deserve the same level of care, I don’t know how to convince you otherwise and I’m sure that you’re can not convince me that they are equal. On this, let’s agree to disagree.

          I have done a lot of research. More than that, part of my job is working with abused and neglected animals. You say that I should “just say “I do it because I choose to.” I did that. Then I chose to give a reason for that choice. I’m not asking you to agree with my choice or appreciate my reasoning.

          I know that farmers who aren’t and don’t work for huge corporations are suffering. In my area that is in large part due to more and more people giving up cigarettes. But there are also good families who raise edible crops and livestock. They use the pesticides they have to and the fertilizer they need to. And they should. They treat their animals well and give them all the room they need to explore and graze. I respect them and I choose to partake of their crops and let others, who will fill over half their plate with barbecue and the other half with grilled chicken have the meat. That is my choice. I don’t understand why it matters to you or why you want me to eat the meat.

          One thing my research has taught me is that, yes, there needs to be more humane farmers. It also told me that even if humane farmers increased there is not enough land, workers, feed, grass, etc… to humanely sustain the amount of livestock it would take to feed Americans as much meat as the majority of Americans want to eat. I am not saying you eat too much meat or that any person here eats too much meat. I don’t know your diets. I’m just statistically talking about most Americans.

          A few points to clarify and to make sure I have not misrepresented myself:
          * I don’t eat livestock or dairy. I don’t eat eggs unless I know for sure they are really from free-range, free-roaming hens. I do eat fish. I am not vegetarian. I was vegan for awhile and found that my health suffered. I don’t disagree that we need a varied diet that includes animal protein. I just carefully choose what I want that animal protein to be.

          * I do buy some of my vegetables from grocery stores. I agree that it would be better for me to shop exclusively at farmers’ markets. I am working toward only supporting sustainable farms.

          * I think it’s fine that you eat meat in moderation, especially if that meat is from farmers in your area (I think you said it was.). We actually seem to agree on many of the things we’re talking about here. We are working with the same information and believe similar things. We’ve just done slightly different things with that information. I chose to give up livestock meat completely, you chose to balance your diet with less meat than the average American. The only real disagreement I see is that you believe produce needs to be treated humanely for their own sake and that they shouldn’t be treated with pesticides to keep insects from ruining them and they should not be fertilized with manure. I believe that local farmers should be supported, but I don’t believe that tomatoes have feelings.

          * I am not perfect. I do what I think is right to the best of my ability. The validity of what I believe is not contingent on how perfectly I uphold it. I should buy more produce from local farmers. Maybe I shouldn’t eat fish – I don’ know about that one though. I do what I can, just like we all do and while I appreciate your opinion, I don’t appreciate the condescending, combative way your express it. But I will concede that voice tone and attitude is often hard to discern in written communication, so my interpretation may not be correct and if it is not, I apologize.

          Stephanie

          Stephanie wrote on August 15th, 2010
        • One more thing to clarify:
          I don’t think that people who raise tobacco are bad people. Reading back and see that it sounds like that, but that’s not what I meant at all.

          Stephanie wrote on August 15th, 2010
        • Just to clarify, I don’t care what kind of decisions anybody else makes. I can not control how people think and I don’t dwell on it. If you don’t eat meat, that is great.
          No, I do not believe that produce have feelings (that’s just silly). Just like I don’t believe that cows or little piglets have feelings. You see, feelings are purely a human thing. In order to feel them you have to have a concept time, which means you have to be able to think about the past or future so that you may compare the present situation with whatever situation you once were in or hope to be in. This is something that only humans do and because we do it, we assume that everything does it. Animals live in the moment, it’s all they have and all they will ever have. They don’t huddle together at night and cry to each other about there living conditions because they don’t know any different. I do believe that they feel the stress of the conditions that are subject to, just as produce does, which effects the quality of the product. For example; the fat in grass fed beef has recently been found to actually be healthy for you, where as the corn, grain fed, stressed out beef is completely unhealthy for you. The same is true for all products farmed, not farmed properly you lose flavour, nutrients, and antioxidants. Even more dangerous is the use if the wrong types of pesticides and manure. Do you know that a vast majority of produce is fertilized with manure from corn fed cows which is riddled with salmonella and is then passed right on to the produce itself. This is what I mean when I talk about produce not being farmed properly, not that their feelings are hurt.
          Also, the FDA likes to allow people to think that it would be impossible for us to live off natural farms and that we need these super farms to survive and listen I could write all day about this but lets try to sum it up. One company sells a product that everybody buys, they cut the cost which in turn makes the product cheaper. Yay! But at the same time, takes the product from being healthy to being extremely unhealthy, but who cares? It’s cheap, right. Next people get unhealthy and obese and they need six different medications to stay alive. And then the crazy part; the same companies owns shares in both the food industry and the drug industry. Wow! Talk about burning the candle at both ends. Once their methods are exposed and people decide that they are no longer going to support these monsters, then comes the “studies”. We can’t grow our own crops, and raise our own beef that would ruin the earth(that was sarcasm).
          Yes, we do seem to agree on many things, including disagreeing. But I believe that you have missed most of my points from you earlier post. However, it has been a pleasure conversing the subject with you. If you have any questions on the subject feel free to ask.

          Brian wrote on August 16th, 2010
        • Why do some people feel so concerned about animals and others don’t see any difference between eating a carrot or a cow? This research might be of interest. Vegetarians (for better or worse) just feel differently about animals http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0010847

          On fishing – the “health conscious crowd” do not want factory farmed fish but the state of the world’s wild fish is pretty dire. This is an abstract from the 2008 SOFIA report http://www.wri.org/publication/content/8384 There will be a new report for 2010.

          One more – Harvard Public School of Health – which is pretty reputable – gives very little place to meat and animal products in a healthy diet http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/what-should-you-eat/pyramid/index.html and what they have to say on protein http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/what-should-you-eat/protein-full-story/index.html#protein_package

          I have been a vegetarian most of my life because I don’t want to eat animals (also very healthy). One way to look at it is that I am carbon offset for another 3 or 4 moderate meat eaters. So it would actually make sense for meat eaters to encourage vegetarianism.

          Jeanette wrote on August 16th, 2010
        • Also just discovered that the new Dietary Guidelines for Americans was released on June 15th. http://www.cnpp.usda.gov/DGAs2010-DGACReport.htm

          I have read reports from those involved in putting together the guidelines that it was an amazing struggle between food scientist, nutritionists and lobby groups.

          It starts off with ” The 2010 DGAC Report is distinctly different from previous reports in several ways. First, it addresses an American public of whom the majority are overweight or obese and yet under-nourished in several key nutrients”

          Here is what the 2010 guidelines recommend –

          Shift food intake patterns to a more plant-based diet that emphasizes vegetables, cooked dry beans and peas, fruits, whole grains, nuts, and seeds. In addition, increase the intake of seafood and fat-free and low-fat milk and milk products and consume only moderate amounts of lean meats, poultry, and eggs.

          These guidelines have a big impact as they underlie school lunch programs and all sorts of other government related food services.

          Jeanette wrote on August 16th, 2010
        • Very well said Stephanie the best response I’ve seen. I am not a vegetarian but I do choose to eat only a small amount of meat as a part of my diet.

          I actually don’t feel well unless I eat a very varied diet that includes some meat and some grain. I don’t eat much dairy except for yogurt and some cheese. Too much of anything though messes my stomach up.

          I wish that our country could get these big businesses to stop running their companies so poorly. It would be so much better to not raise as many cattle, to raise more buffalo instead. Also to stop the huge production of grain for feeding the livestock. Livestick should have a happy life roaming the countryside. Big meat companies should not be allowed to sell pink slime. :P Before companies like McDonalds, etc caused a huge demand for quick cheap beef the working conditions at most butchery factories was great and provided great benefits. But now it’s one of the most dangerous jobs in the country. Raising and slaughtering animals doesn’t need to be the way it is, but unfortately in this country the majority of our meat production is. I agree though our American serving sizes of meat in the US are way to large to be healthy and also add a demand for meat that doesn’t need to be so high.

          Interesting thing to note. Beacuse of the high demand for quinoa many of the people who traditionally eat and produce the grain can no longer afford to eat it themselves. So now many South American quinoa growers and other who use to buy from the farmers are having to eat rice instead. This is very unhealthy for them and many are being malnourished. I try to eat very little quinoa until things change. But here this article has a lot of great suggestions:

          http://hwaairfan.wordpress.com/2011/04/07/quinoa-the-health-fad-that-is-starving-the-cultivators/

          Avi wrote on March 22nd, 2012
        • Also I agree with most of what both Stephanie and Brian said. There is one thing I disagree about with both of what you had to say.

          I agree with Brian that getting rid of super farms is totally possible, as I stated above.

          And I agree with Stephanie that I do value the lives of plants over the lives of animals. I feel either animals and humans both have souls or we both don’t have souls. But I only slightly value animals over plants, and I only slightly value humans over animals. I think it’s dangerous not to respect all life. I personally hate for things to feel pain. Probably most plants can’t feel pain but most animals can. So if we are going to eat animals I feel that they need to be well treated. Also yes Brian happy animals do taste better, which was kind of what you implied only stated differently.

          Avi wrote on March 22nd, 2012
      • Plants appear not to have the physiology to feel pain. If you are concerned about plants being eaten though, a plant-based diet will help reduce harm to other plants, as fewer will die based on that diet.Fewer forests will be cut down to make room for growing grain that will be given to animals as feed etc. As for variety, a vegan diet often includes lots of things that you would not see in a traditional western diet. For example, teff flour, nutritional yeast, sea vegetables, wide variety of nuts, beans, seeds and often a much wider variety of vegetables and fruits. I like lots of spicy and flavorful foods and find a vegan diet accommodates this very well.

        Jeanette wrote on August 17th, 2010
        • That’s so funny ! :)
          And so true. Jeanette, very well said.
          And veganism is PART OF my identity, so what? But this doesn’t mean that that’s one of the reasons I became vegan. That part of my identity is a result of becoming vegan, not a cause of becoming vegan !
          The reason I became vegan was to contribute to reducing the huge amount of unnecessary animal suffering, I was, and am, very angry about that. Then a bit later I found out about the link between an animal based diet and human suffering (starvation/poverty. Four times more land is used for an animal diet than a vegan diet) and then finally the link with environmental problems, including global warming. But the animal suffering part is the one I feel strongest about.

          Robin wrote on October 12th, 2011
      • i think that is balanced, and i am the same.

        maryke wrote on July 1st, 2011
      • Gosh Jens when plants develop a nervous system that indicates to me they are terrified and trying to flee or will die protecting their babies as most animals ,including ourselves, do than I will become a breatharian.

        rawrunna wrote on July 22nd, 2012
      • You have misunderstood the vegan culture. Vegans are doing their best to minimize pain and suffering. We are aware that critters are killed in harvesting and transporting plants and if we could change that we would. Many vegans buy locally, grow their own veggies, etc, in an effort to be good citizens of this earth. Plants clearly don’t have a nervous system or a brain to process physical and mental pains. So even if plants have a very primitive way of feeling pain choosing to eat plants rather than animals is still minimizing the pain.

        Robin wrote on October 1st, 2013
        • Vegan culture according to you. I was vegan. Sure I wanted cruelty free… but in our world it does not exist.

          Meat free is not necessarily cruelty free and vice versa.

          When you eat, something must die. But that’s okay if you treat that thing with respect. Everything must die. If the chicken I grow from a chick, lives a good life, pecks bugs, eats grass and clover, lays eggs and then I kill it later as food, is that not better than GMO soy monoculture junk with added sugar and salt that will kill me early, make me fat and dependent upon the system and billions of tons of pesticides and poor farming (even if it’s organic) ending up on the planet causing more damage?

          You must very nearly grow all that you have using permaculture ideas in order to do what you are saying. If you buy ANYTHING at the store, you are buying into the same system you would rale against, meat or vegan. Do you grow all that you eat? I do. I put my money where my mouth is, both animals and vegetables, and I don’t shop at the supermarket for food or anything else…

          Annie Sires wrote on October 2nd, 2013
    • problem with a lot of vegetarians is that you not eating meat makes no difference. animals are still being treated like crap and eaten and that will not change unless ,maybe, vegetarians work towards all animals raised for meat to be organic, happy animals. Apathetic vegetarians who claim to do it for the animal do nothing to help animals. you should work towards an animal having happier life before it ends up on my plate.

      meateater#1 wrote on September 25th, 2011
      • It is not up to vegetarians, vegans to ensure animals are killed in a humane way. Society as a whole should be responsible for this especially if you choose to eat meat.

        This year Australians have been made aware of the horrible truth behind factory farmed animals and the plight of their suffering.

        Many Australians including myself became vegetarians. This shows compassion not selfishness. Why not watch “Earthling” see how the meat industry treats the animals. If you can come back and say this is perfectly okay you are lacking human compassion.

        Lisa wrote on January 7th, 2012
  18. Tofu is bad because it’s highly processed? Er, we’re not talking TVP here, tofu is minimally processed and is usually purchased w/o a preservative. True, calcium sulfate or magnesium chloride is used to coagulate the curds from the soy milk, but they’re not toxic.

    Now you might make a case for phytoestrogens and the mental health of people over 60 eating a lot of tofu….but that’s not what you said.

    Ted wrote on March 26th, 2009
    • I can actually make my own tofu from scratch. It just seems more processed than it is. In reality, it’s a lot like making farm cheese.

      Merry wrote on January 21st, 2012
  19. I, by the way, eat a lot of vegetables but won’t turn my nose up at a dead animal, road kill or not.

    Ted wrote on March 26th, 2009
    • Maybe if you saw the conditions the animals are made to endure and the torture you might think on that again. If you like animals.

      spenzr wrote on May 22nd, 2009
      • Take a look at the animal kingdom and tell me if you think any other animal, particularly primates, care about the humane conditions of their protein sources. Then, recognize that without an increased consumption of meat by our hominid ancestors we would not be the highly functioning creatures we are today.

        sarah wrote on June 23rd, 2009
        • I’m a vegetarian, and I love animals, but honestly, I think the important thing here is that the inhumane conditions breed sickness and disease which, in turn, impacts what we ingest. At one time (say, back in the caveman era to pick on someone else’s comment), animals could be killed and eaten naturally. There is very little that is natural about how our meat is processed these days…with the exception of those raised organically and free range, and we can still run into problems there. Everything is manufactured now and generally robbed of key nutrients. Animals are fed things they can’t digest, and their systems back up on them. Large companies and factories produce and handle our food products, which leads to contamination…E. coli in spinach, anyone? This is one of the main reasons why we have so many health issues in the States. Go see Food, Inc. It will change the way you think about meat consumption, not to mention just about everything else you put in your body.

          Dana wrote on August 12th, 2009
        • Why do you think there is such a problem with mad cow disease the problem lies in the conditions of the animals within the factory farming industry. The same goes for the industries that mass produce veggies, there is a problem with cross contamination not washing and poor regulation.

          Kaylin wrote on November 11th, 2009
        • I fully agree. Yours is probably the best articulated post on this page.

          Ray wrote on March 4th, 2010
        • hi.. i just found this website and firstly, want to thank everyone for being so smart and awesome. I’m vegan for the most part, exceptions on DHA enhanced local farm free happy chicken eggs. :P this stated.. i recognize and am continually rethinking and researching debates and facts on nutritional guidelines, with optimal health (while standing by my beliefs,) of *key importance.

          i want to say that.. as a vegan, i am not by any means trying to challenge this fact that animal flesh is incredibly nutrient dense and complete, as well as, totally normal/natural as part of a human diet. really i agree, personally, with these facts.

          my staying away from (for the mostpart) animal products, is entirely to do with personal relation, understanding and empathy for all living beings, including my own, and simply doing the most i can do to participate in a positive free and enjoyable trip for everyone here. vegetables of course also included. :P

          there are so many incredibly messed up things going on in this place right now, i realize there’s only so much i can do; but i’m fine with that.. and prefer to always be doing simply the best that i can.

          also wanted to state that.. even though i couldn’t personally take an animal’s life, (personal reasons/issues and whatnot), i respect hunting (for need, rather than, obviously, sport,) fully well; in fact could probably say that i am an advocate; considering my true issue lying in the hands of the insane corporate drama madness.

          power to ya.

          anyways. just wanted to state those points. in case maybe some of these fellow animal-product bypassers feel similarly.

          or maybe i just wanted to stand up.
          lol

          anyway thanks guys.
          hope you all sit with incredibly happy, peaceful dreams and lives. ;)

          -sophie

          Sophie wrote on August 5th, 2010
      • Personally, my family buys our beef directly from a farm where the animals live long and healthy lives before becoming food. Another option would be eating at Chipotle (they use naturally raised meat without all the added chemicals and growth horomones)… It’s an good option if you eat meat or choose not to eat meat due to cruel treatment of animals.

        Sara wrote on February 19th, 2010
        • Cruelty of eating anything with a face is number one, but organic, grass fed , etc, it makes NO difference, it is a PROVEN fact that the elements meat contain DOES cause and promote cancer growth. period. There is just not ONE single positive reason to eat it.

          mar wrote on December 21st, 2012
      • That’s why you don’t support mass commercial farms who farm without any concern to what kind of effects they have on the animals/crop they farm, the people they farm for or the long term effects they have in the land. Only support local farmer’s who have done things right for many generations and actually need our support.

        Brian wrote on August 14th, 2010
  20. There are so many greats dishes, why consume dead animals? Imagine what you’re putting in your body and grab the tofu or vegetables instead. And no ignorance is not bliss! Let’s eat healthy and add a maintain a stable weight. Leave the animals alone.

    Valerie wrote on March 28th, 2009
    • ”think of what you’re puttin into your body”
      and that is…

      Avi wrote on June 24th, 2010
  21. You don’t fear saturated fat? I’d like to know why, because saturated fat is bad fat – solid at room temperature, the kind you cut of the edges of meat and such. The good kind of fat is unsaturated – liquid at room temperature.

    Lauren wrote on April 4th, 2009
    • You obviously haven’t read anything on this site. Saturated fat is good. If it’s solid at room temperature, provided it’s not hydrogenated, It is resistant to rancidity. Polyunsaturated fats are bad as they actually oxidize in the bloodstream and become rancid- in your system.

      Trav wrote on January 3rd, 2011
  22. Most of you are picking nits. I am an expert, ask my ex.

    Geoff, you come close to an interesting idea. I imagine a time when being a civilized human meant cooking some things sometimes. The animals eaten back then probably were most often gutted and eaten with minimal preparation.

    Hunger, fear of getting eaten or killed yourself and a different set of priorities are what my caveman instincts are telling me.

    I am also willing to bet almost everything (Geoff said fish) would be healthier if eaten with almost everything ‘as is’. Animals eaten whole with just their last meals removed sound like the kind of meal we were made to eat. Almost everything living is hungry or literally starving all the time. Do herbivores only eat the tastiest parts and spit out everything else? Not the ones I have seen.

    Being mostly vegetarian would make sense back when fire meant civilized. A plant is easier to catch than an animal. It just makes sense to me that humans need a diet that was the easiest to get for all these generations.

    I do not think God(s) or evolution intended for us to eat at McDonald’s. Ronald gets all the hate mail but all ‘fast foods’ are no longer an asset when we do not have to run to stay alive.

    agold wrote on April 22nd, 2009
  23. Oop, forgot to mention; Paul said “a genuinely cruelty free form of dairy”,

    Go to small, local dairies. Tell them what you want – milk from humanely treated milk cows and ask who in the area runs that kind of farm. Then ask for a tour when they next (no time to hide the truth) milk the cows. The small operation farmers you want will probably love the attention, be eager for cash, love showing off and worry about you claiming you got hurt by the ‘raw’ milk.

    Country air has less additives than city air.

    agold wrote on April 22nd, 2009
  24. Buckwheat also has complete protein, and is delicious when eaten as a cereal or with a main course!

    Susan wrote on May 5th, 2009
  25. It seems like the point was “after 6 months of being on the grain diet”-NOT that cows are slaughtered after 6 months. Just an observation.

    Lara wrote on May 10th, 2009
  26. why isn’t egg protein in top 10 list? is it good? my dad has Kidney problem and I know Kidney disease patien can eat almost no beans for protein, so what’s the best and worst protein for Kidney disease patient??? really want to help me dad, thanks

    stephanie wrote on May 21st, 2009
    • it WAS on the list.

      avi wrote on September 19th, 2010
  27. Well I am doing well on my protein! I adore grass-fed meats and wild salmon!!! WOO WOO! My body is thanking me right now – I just had some wild salmon as a matter of fact!

    GIGI wrote on May 21st, 2009
  28. i had often been told that i had the most flawless skin ever seen, i never got pimples, and could even go without makeup, and still receive compliments.

    after i stopped eating meat, i now have all kind of skin issues, could this be due to my lack of protein intake?

    carolyn wrote on May 21st, 2009
    • Interestingly, I’ve read interesting arguments for people having evolved as omnivorous scavengers. Our back teeth were supposedly good for cracking bones for their marrow. Fits in with our patterns for migration. Look it up.

      Merry wrote on January 21st, 2012
    • Oh. And I realize that this thread is practically dead, but acne can be caused by unstable blood sugar. Maybe you’re replacing the fats and oils in your diet with simple carbs? Try eating more vegetables, egg whites, fat-free yogurt, etc. I’ve seen this happen with new veg’ns. In my experience it goes away once the diet becomes more balanced.

      Merry wrote on January 25th, 2012
      • I have had acne for 17 years, ever since I turned 15. I was a vegetarian then, and ate loads of soy and carbs. Throughout my life, I’ve ping-ponged back and forth between a SAD diet and vegetarian. Until about 2 years ago, when I first found out about raw milk and pastured meat from Dr. Axe, out of Nashville. From researching all I could on the subject, I eventually found the Weston A. Price Foundation, which, likewise, led me here. I’ve now been Primal, or lacto-paleo, for 2 months now. I haven’t incorporated much exercise in yet, so I haven’t lost much weight, but the main thing (and first thing) that I noticed is that my skin is clear. For the first time in 17 years, I don’t have daily acne. I’ve also stopped having daily headaches (which I’ve had since I was 10 — 21 years, now), and have had no migraines. I’ve even been able to stop my migraine medication without worries, and I can THINK now, without my brain being coated in a Topamax fog. And if I slip and eat carbs or sugar (like I did on my birthday), I am rewarded the next morning with a handful of zits splashed across my face. Going Primal has been the single best, and most effective, dietary decision I have made in my life. And it doesn’t hurt that the food is so simple to make and everything turns out amazingly delicious!

        Kimberly wrote on March 3rd, 2012
        • Hi, can you explain what a Primal diet consists of?

          I go back and forth with diets. I will eat something. It makes me sick. I change my diet. Then I forget what I ate that made me sick and six months later try it again, with the same reaction.

          I think part of it has to do with GMO foods. Wheat, which I used to eat a lot of whole wheat bread, I don’t tolerate now. And, I tolerate much less milk and milk products.

          I finally got on the products on the website I listed because they have so much nutrition, plus the amino acids, which has been a concern.

          I went through a period not eating much meat. Now I am eating some. But I can sense I will be getting off it again. It seems too long on anything can be a problem.

          So I was curious what the Primal diet is about.

          The lacto- sounds like milk, I don’t do too well on that…what is the paleo- for?

          Thanks.

          Cheryl Jones wrote on March 4th, 2012
  29. I was vegetarian (in fact mostly vegan) for about ten years because I loved animals… but my health suffered badly. Now I’ll eat free range, organic beef/chicken/eggs etc., and wild caught fish. Also organic raw cheese/milk/Balkan yogurt.

    It took me a long time to be able to do it, but really my whole attitude towards life and human beings has changed. I still hate factory farms and any sort of animal cruelty with a passion and won’t contribute to it knowingly in any way, but I don’t feel alienated from my own body anymore. A lot of vegans and vegetarians seem to think that humans are not really animals, and that eating other animals at any time is morally abhorrent and “evil”.

    I think most people do a heck of lot better with a bit of animal protein and fat at least a few times a week, though. Your body cries out for animal fat, even if you ignore it.

    P.S. Just watched that documentary “Fat Head”… I still loathe fast food restaurants, but it was awesome.

    Candace wrote on May 22nd, 2009
    • Hi, I am with you on that one. I pretty much created an eating disorder for myself trying to be vegetarian. If I couldn’t find what I wanted to eat, I just didn’t eat at all. I think I lived off of sugar and grains because the vegetables became a pain, and I couldn’t get organic like I wanted, and now I am treating myself for candida…and guess what that entails? Eating clean meat!

      Joelle wrote on May 22nd, 2009
      • then you must be lazy to cook and organize a good pantry an healthy packed refrigerator…..leave it to bussines men
        the only vegetarians that i know that returned(running) to meat are the lazy ones who couldnt think far anough to plan weekly menus it is really all about that, w-e-e-k-l-y menus vegetarian or vampire or whatever

        alex wrote on August 20th, 2011
        • I was vegetarian for 7 years, not because of cruelty to animals but because I was worried about how the meat was reared.

          I went back to eating meat, not because I couldnt be bothered to cook but because I started going to the gym a lot more. In fact once being vegetarian has had a lasting and positive effect on my diet.

          I know vegans\vegetarians will say you can still get all the protein you need from non animal sources but getting it from meat it is easier to get large amounts of protein into your diet and I feel much stronger for eating meat (maybe thats in my head).

          I rarely eat red meat though and generally stick to chicken\turkey\prawn\salmon and tuna.

          Paul wrote on September 5th, 2011
        • Alex –

          I understand that you were primarily referencing people that you know; however, dismissing people as lazy for changing from a vegetarian menu to one including meat demonstrates a rather limited, perhaps uninformed viewpoint.

          Many families, especially those in inner cities, struggle to find food that’s affordable, healthy, and tasty. There may be a convenience aspect to their decision, as you mentioned, but there also may be specific health concerns or faith-related reasons to their decisions. The point is educating people and spreading awareness is often helpful; making people feel mocked, judged and/or inferior in some way is usually not.

          Take, for example, a post rife with grammar and punctuation errors. I could certainly have a knee-jerk reaction and assume that the author is unintelligent and/or uneducated. Or I could realize that, he or she may be tired, sleepy, in a hurry, commenting from a cellphone, great at math/not so great at spelling, his or her primary language is not English (and so the individual is still learning the spelling and structure of a foreign language), etc. The point is, I can’t know everyone’s specific situation. And even if I did, any instance of judging a person harshly and applying a generalized, negative label on a group of people based on my personal beliefs, preferences, experiences, and/or cultural background is probably going to involve an -ism of some sort, which I try to avoid (classism, elitism, ableism, racism, etc.)

          TL wrote on April 12th, 2012
  30. I shudder to think of the cruelty that vegans force upon plants all over the world. Forcing them to reproduce at the whims of some farmer every year only to be raised in crowded, inhumane conditions until finally they are murdered to feed the unquenchable hunger of these vegan beasts that have decided that they must have plants and only plants. Oh, the humanity!

    Daniel wrote on May 25th, 2009
    • haha. yea quite.

      balance (and health, i suppose) would definitely still be the main goal and focus here then..?

      down with cramped nutrient, sunlight, and encouragement deficient living quarters for our lovely plant and animal friends! (alike.) ;)

      yaow.

      life is good let’s get back to sharing the fruits, yeah.

      love.

      Sophie wrote on August 5th, 2010
    • That is such a weak, dumb comment. it is meaningless and ignorant. I don.t recall plants having nerves or a spinal cord. How can they feel pain. I suggest you visit an abattoir and compare the smell, noise, screams and feel the feet. Now go pick some vegetables or plants…..big difference!

      Lisa wrote on January 7th, 2012
      • Fear not feet sorry

        Lisa wrote on January 7th, 2012
    • I actually enjoyed this bit a satire.

      Billy wrote on March 28th, 2012
    • Excellent observation. Eating dirt is far more humane –and it is cheap.

      Cliff wrote on June 13th, 2013
  31. You must add to your list meats such as: Elk, Ostrich, Venison/Deer, Goat & Lamb (All Grass-Fed of Course) and Mark, if you haven’t tried it before… you MUST try Hamachi Kama. This is essentially the NECK of a Hamachi Tuna, which is a delicacy in Japanese food. You can always go to Whole Foods (if you have one near by) and ask the fish counter about their supply (and they can order you some). I swear you will thank me!!
    Another food I adore (protein) is EEL… of course not with the typical unagi sauce (plain). It’s amazing and full of amazing fats!
    And have you ever had salmon belly? Broil that piece of the salmon until crispy and you will be in heaven!

    GIGI wrote on June 7th, 2009
    • Mmm Ostrich is really good stuff, can be hard to find but worth a try if you find it.

      brad wrote on November 24th, 2009
    • put a big cucumber in the middle so you can digest them better

      alex wrote on August 20th, 2011
  32. American livestock currently consumes seven times the amount of grain that the human population does. With the US population set to double in the next 70 years, we’re going to have to move from a meat based diet whether we like it or not.

    Dave wrote on June 8th, 2009
    • It’s a matter of simple economics. It’s cheaper to pen up livestock in a feed lot and shovel grains into them. This is due to govt subsidies to grain producers. Why would a farmer grass feed his cattle on acres and acres of land when he can grow grain crops on it and feed his cattle using 1/100th the amount of land? If the State weren’t distorting the grain market through subsidies it would make more sense economically for cattle producers to raise pastured livestock on the land rather than grow crops on it. They wouldn’t get their welfare money in years when crop yields were low. Grass grows on its own without the need for seed, fertilizer, pesticides and fossil fuel-burning equipment to harvest it. I live in one of the largest grain producing counties in Iowa with a population of around 7000 people. Looking at the farm subsidy stats going i descending order by amount received, you have to go down past # 75 on the list before subsidies dip below $100,000. That’s $7,000,000 to the largest farmers in the county which comprise only about 1% of the population. Spread this out over the entire nation of grain producers and you’ll see what I’m getting at. Don’t so much blame the grain producers as the govt for artificially distorting the grain market by eliminating the farmers’ financial risk of having a low yield crop. Govt is the root cause of the screwed up grain and cattle industries in the U.S.

      Trav wrote on January 3rd, 2011
      • No matter what the cause, that is what is happening. You can’t ignore it any then say its not your fault. Supply and Demand. If we didn’t buy it the government couldn’t give out the subsides. Not to mention basic ecology. When you rise from tropic level to trophic level (or producer- grass, to consumer–cattle to secondary consumer-humans) only TEN percent of the energy is retained. That means, say 100 calories of grass is grown, and then 10 calories are retained in the cow, then 1 calorie is available for the human body to use. Cattle is a literal waste of energy.

        Emma wrote on December 20th, 2011
  33. Buffalo , no antibiotics or hormones allowed, forbidden to add by law. (well ok, government can do something right at times)

    4 oz serving 190 calories. 23 grams of protein, does have 11 grams of fat before cooking, but I grill it, so the actual fat grams are probably half that.

    Do not overcook it. If not too old, it should NOT have a gamey taste. I buy mine from Safeway, my store does high volume per day. Many “health” food stores do not move the volume, so their stock is old. There ARE tradeoffs in life, and always will be.

    ken wrote on July 11th, 2009
  34. Quinoa is not a grain. It is a fruit.

    nograin wrote on August 5th, 2009
    • Technically, quinoa is the seed of the goosefoot plant. Definitely NOT a grain.

      Michelle wrote on September 2nd, 2010
      • grains ARE seeds which are also fruits, botanically speaking

        just like eggplants, zucchini, almonds, broccoli, and most things most people consider to be vergetables

        any plant product that has a seed component is a fruit, even if it has been defined by the Supreme Court to be a vegetable (like tomatoes)

        Max wrote on March 5th, 2011
        • Good point. But try explaining that to the ignorant.

          Joshua wrote on November 6th, 2011
  35. Global warmins is caused more by animal agriculture than it is by burning fossil fuels. According to U.N. study.

    nograin wrote on August 5th, 2009
  36. Humans have long intestines, better for consuming vegetables. Dogs have short intestines, better for consuming meat. So why do people eat so much meat and dogs eat so much dry, crappy food?

    shiniqua2 wrote on August 5th, 2009
    • Humans have intestines intermediate between herbivores and carnivores, so it makes sense that they eat both. Our teeth too show an intermediate evolution between herbivore and carnivore.
      Grains were only a tiny part of the human diet till agriculture began – a mere ten thousand years ago. I believe it is best to eat in accordance with our evolutionary history.

      Bogtrotter wrote on January 25th, 2011
      • Amen.

        Joshua wrote on November 6th, 2011
  37. Since when are cows fattened on cheap grain?!? Having grown up on a cattle station i can tell you that grass is far cheaper than the cheapest of grain for obvious reasons. Feeding cattle grain is generally a last resort during drought or for expensive “grain fed” meat..I also think you are misinformed to say he “average” cow is raised in in-humane conditions..the vast majority are just roaming paddocks eating grass!! Anyway, thanks for the article and I do agree that grass-fed beef is the tastiest despite the price tag often attributed to “grain fed”

    ben wrote on August 13th, 2009
  38. Most animals people eat are raised on cheap grains, hormones, antibiotics, synthetic vitamins,…

    You must understand that people who raise animals for food (animals are not food!) are doing it for financial reasons, not for health reasons or ethics.

    The major part (if not all!) of the meat you see in supermarkets are not grass-fed, they live inside factory farms all their short lifes.

    You don’t need animals to be healthy, it’s quite the opposite if you eat animals (and sub-products) you probably have more chances of being unhealthy.

    QUINOA is a pseudocereal (I don’t think it’s a fruit!) and it has all the 9 essential amino-acids so it is a complete protein:
    http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts/cereal-grains-and-pasta/10352/2

    Also chia seeds, hemp seeds, buckwheat, amaranth, pumpkin seeds, soy beans, spirulina and chlorella are supposed to be “complete protein”.

    If some of them look unfamiliar to most of us, it’s time to change that and make meat unfamiliar to most of us.

    Neu wrote on August 14th, 2009
    • ”if you eat animals you probably have more chances of being unhealthy.”
      and why is that?

      Avi wrote on June 24th, 2010
    • So the guy raising soybeans and selling them isn’t doing that for financial reasons??? And the folks at PETA don’t extort people out of money by threatening protests??? And you don’t think there’s a hefty markup on all those exotic pseudocereals you buy from whole foods? I suppose 100% of the profits from those goods are donated to the Save the Whales foundation, right? You are proof that the lack of animal matter in the diet makes people delusional.

      There are no centenarian vegetarians. There’s a reason for that. Paleo/Primal eaters perform better (certainly look better) and live longer. But don’t let that stop you from trying to force your dogma on everyone else.

      Jay wrote on June 24th, 2010
      • I don’t think her point was that better foods come from industry without profit…. only that mass flesh vendors aren’t motivated by nutritional content and so their product reflects that (lack).

        Kelly wrote on January 5th, 2011
      • Of course everyone is making money of their food, their marketing. Thats what humans do. Make money.
        I agree that there are a numerous amount of delusional vegetarians out there, but I for one am not. By sterotyping them, you are automatically opposed to anything they say. Why are there no centenarian vegetarians? Because vegetarianism is new. Sure, there has been involuntary vegetarianism, like much of the world. There has been the few- Leonardo da Vinci for example, in the far past. but our life spans have not been long enough to live 100 years until recently. So the combination of just having the change to live 100 years, with the few number of vegetarians, plus genetics, lifestyle, and other odds, the statistical chances are small. Your arguments isn’t complete.

        Emma wrote on December 20th, 2011
        • You are just as angry and forceful as everyone else. We should calmly evaluate each others arguments.

          Emma wrote on December 20th, 2011
      • I have stuck to a primarily paleo diet for the past few years. Recently became vegetarian after witnessing a very cruel Meat Industry. The suffering and inhumane and certainly unhealthy life of a factory farmed animal is really something I do not want to consume. Going veg means planning your meals exactly like paleo. Living on noodles and bread no good. Finding alternative protein and eating vegetables and fruits while being conscious of where it came from is a very healthy way of living. I have seen vegans as well as vegetarians who practice yoga and also crossfit. Amazing, sculptured physiques and strong both body and mind. Paleo doesn’t just mean meat. Meat was not always avsilsble to our primal ancestors. “Certainly look better” Is that a fact? “Live longer” is that a fact? Also the folks at PETA continually campaigne to try and prevent cruelty, that is admirable. Unless you areeating certified organic meat, or raising your own, you obviously have no idea where your pork on your fork has come from. Perhaps watch “Earthling”. If you think that is okay good luck to you.

        Liz wrote on January 11th, 2012
    • I just read that quinoa is actually a grain like seed from a fruit.
      wiki.answers.com/Q/Is_quinoa_a_fruit_or_vegetable

      Brian wrote on August 14th, 2010
    • of course animals are food. You can argue whether they’re QUALITY food, but they can be eaten, therefore they are food.

      avi wrote on September 19th, 2010
    • OK, take a deep breath and sit down. Ready? You’ve been misinformed. Buckwheat? Hempseeds? Regardless of the $$ to get a solid diet of these, look up “complete Grain”. COMPLETE PROTEIN is not a prerequisite.

      I have nothing against vegetarians — it’s your life and your body. But don’t tell us what to eat or say ridiculous things like “Meat is Murder”. (Though the way you destroy your cars’ resale values with 75 vegetarian stickers tickles me pink as salmon.)
      How mad do you get when Christians push their beliefs on you? But you can on others?

      Joshua wrote on November 6th, 2011
      • Everyone here is forcing their beliefs on others. You are. They are. This blog is. Its hard to really evaluate someone else’s arguments when your head is clogged with prerequisited rage.

        Emma wrote on December 20th, 2011
        • This blog exists as is and is simply a source of information for those interested in it. As a result, most regulars here will agree on most of the opinions held by this blog. You coming here of your own free will, bringing your diametrically opposing views with you like some kind of missionary, purely to tell everyone they are wrong? I’m afraid that is the definition of force. What you have done is not too far removed from going to a Mosque and extolling the virtues of Christianity. It is disrespectful and ill-concieved considering that many people here, myself included, may have already tried the vegetarian approach and find the results of Primal to be far superior for our particular bodies.

          Leigh wrote on December 21st, 2011
  39. The egg whites in a carton are much more convenient. I’ve been eating some soy and other things and have been getting leaner and leaner. I think people are way too paranoid about “chemicals” and stuff. As long as you stay away from heavily processed foods, you’ll be fine. Also, saying that peanut butter is bad for you is a really ignorant statement. Just goes to show you that you cannot trust what the internet says…

    Philip wrote on August 20th, 2009
    • Agreed… also with Emma above (system won’t give me a reply button)… I was just about ready to type a response and then read Emma’s and it pretty much summed up how I was feeling. People need to stay open-minded. I’ve eaten many ways in my life, and have done best when I exercise frequently and eaten a diet consisting mainly of meat, leafy greens, and other colored fruits & veggies.

      tnjefe wrote on February 17th, 2012
  40. Hi Mike, I like what you have to say. I agree. you are smart.

    Uhglee Lladie wrote on October 17th, 2009

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