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November 22, 2011

The Problems with Antibiotics: More Fallout from Killing Your Flora

By Mark Sisson
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A new study found that pediatricians are over-prescribing broad spectrum antibiotics (which target both gram-negative and gram-positive bacteria, also known as most bacteria) at an increasing rate. 21% of all pediatric visits ended with a prescription for antibiotics, 50% of which were broad spectrum. For 23% of those visits ending in antibiotics (which accounted for over 10 million visits in total), they were prescribed for conditions that don’t even respond to antibiotics, like asthma, viral infections, flu, allergies, and bronchitis. The bulk of the antibiotics prescribed in these unwarranted situations were broad spectrum, and the bulk of the patients in these situations were younger than not.

Ugh. Antibiotics clearly have therapeutic merit – a statement some would debate, I’m sure – but I think everyone would agree that prescribing broad spectrum antibiotics for non-responsive conditions to young kids is unwise.

Anyway, last week we explored the negative ramifications of antibiotics overuse, particularly on a patient’s bodyweight. The disruption of gut flora composition and diversity by antibiotic therapy has been shown to affect metabolism and body weight in both animals and humans, and the relationship appears to be causal. Today, I’ll discuss a few other potential complications related to antibiotics. I want to stress that much of this research remains exploratory and quite young  – many of the supporting studies are either in animals or in vitro situations (test tubes and such rather than live subjects) – but the hypotheses are plausible, and supporting epidemiology exists. Besides, given the chance that our gut flora may never fully recover from antibiotic therapy, it’s important to be aware of any potential fallout.

Direct and indirect effects on gut flora and host (that’s you).

A direct effect on gut flora by antibiotics is obvious: they are killed. But this can have numerous downstream effects, even on bacterial species that the antibiotics don’t target directly.

You know how I wrote that antibiotics alter makeup of bacteria in the gut last week? It turns out that even though the special ratios and diversity change, total biomass (total number of gut flora) often remains the same. So, if antibiotics eradicate one species from the gut, other species will quickly move to claim the vacancy and increase their population. Remember: even though these are microscopic organisms, they still occupy physical space, and space in the gut is limited. If one opportunistic species takes advantage of a vacancy and grows its sphere of influence (as C. diff often does following a round of antibiotics), that’s less room for another species.

Much is made of the symbiotic relationship between host and gut flora, but gut flora themselves often enjoy robust, vital relationships with other species of gut flora. One species may break down primary food components into secondary metabolites. A second species which cannot utilize primary food components must rely on the secondary metabolites from the first species. The secondary metabolites are broken down into waste products, which in turn are utilized for energy by other species. It’s a cycle, and if even one participant is missing (maybe from antibiotics), toxic metabolites can buildup and many of the flora that survived the initial onslaught will lack nutrients. Check out this cool visual of the cycle.

There’s even some (extremely limited thus far) evidence that antibiotics are linked to certain diseases and conditions, including some types of colitis, vaginal candidiasis, diarrhea, eczema, cholera, autism, and asthma.

Impaired immune function is another potential ramification. I’ve discussed the importance of the gut flora in maintaining proper immune function before, but here’s a table showing the effects of specific antibiotics courses on specific aspects of the immune system.

Loss of helpful gut bacterial metabolites.

Gut flora don’t really care about you. They’re just trying to survive, man, and survival requires sustenance. Nutrients. Food. Luckily for us, when bacteria break down some of the food we eat, they produce short chain fatty acids. Some species, like the gorilla with its cavernous gut and tendency to perpetually eat leafy fibrous things, rely almost entirely on the short chain fatty acids (SCFA) produced by gut flora. They chew and swallow ten pound Big Ass raw salads daily and derive most of their caloric energy from SCFA. Yep, those gorillas are ultimately on a high-fat diet. Anyway, we don’t house enough gut flora to live off of short chain fatty acids, but we can derive a lot of benefits from the SCFA our relatively meager flora produce.

I’ve written about prebiotics and butyric acid, or butyrate, one of the most important SCFAs. When certain types of gut flora consume certain prebiotic fibers (Melissa has a nice table detailing the butyrate production in response to various fibers), they make butyrate, which the colon uses for energy and which seems to inhibit colon tumors from forming (PDF). Additional benefits of butyrate include increased insulin sensitivity and mitochondrial function. Without the gut flora necessary to ferment fiber into butyrate, we’d be getting shortchanged (and being unable to break down the things we eat is no fun, either).

A common way to measure how many SCFAs an animal is producing is to look at the poop. If something is making a lot of SCFA, it’ll show up there. And sure enough, feces from mice given antibiotics contain fewer SCFA and related metabolites than feces from untreated mice. Oligosaccharides – what the flora ferment and turn into SCFA – appear more frequently in the feces of the treated mice, indicating that antibiotics disrupted carbohydrate fermentation (and, presumably, floral populations).

Interruption of gut bacteria signaling.

A fun thing about biology is that everything’s a multi-tasker. There are multiple levels to nearly every physiological process. For instance, reactive oxygen species are often thought of as wholly negative, but they also play important roles in signaling and maintaining cellular homeostasis. Same with the bacteria in our guts. They help digest food, they comprise the bulk of our immune systems, they produce helpful gut bacterial metabolites like butyric acid – all (relatively) well-known responsibilities – but they also act as important signaling agents in our body. More specifically, specific species of bacteria relay specific signals.

Here’s one example: a species called Saccharomyces boulardii (a common component of probiotic supplements) secretes a compound that blocks an inhibitor that normally causes a certain inflammatory cytokine to release; the result is lower inflammation. Luckily, S. boulardii isn’t targeted by antibiotics. But what happens if an important signaling bacterium is targeted by antibiotics?

Here’s an example of that: a single type of gut flora called segmented filamentous bacterium tells the body to start making CD4 T-helper cells, which in turn signal the creation of the inflammatory cytokines IL-17 and IL-22, which are crucial for certain immune responses. Those same segmented filamentous bacteria are fairly sensitive to antibiotics.

Sound confusing? It is. And those are just two examples of gut flora which act as signalers for very specific situations. One is resistant, one is not. There are undoubtedly hundreds more – most of which we can’t even culture, closely examine, nor fully understand – and they’re not all going to be resistant to antibiotics.

As you can see, the gut is complicated. We humans have evolved with the assumption that in return for hosting hundreds of species of gut flora, our guests would provide certain services. We’ve become accustomed to this arrangement. Indeed, the proper function of the human body depends on various strains of bacteria talking to each other, talking to the host cells, inducing inflammation when it’s needed, inhibiting inflammation when it’s not, (by)producing metabolites that other cells consume as energy, and helping regulate our immunity. The complexity means that a big blundering tool designed to take out a bunch of bacteria could be counterproductive – and there’s evidence that this is the case.

I’m not saying we swear off antibiotics. In fact, I’m not giving any medical advice at all. I’m just saying that caution should be exercised, that we need to weigh the known with the unforeseen and understand that there may be ramifications to antibiotics abuse, and perhaps even to normal use.

Tomorrow, I’ll discuss some possible solutions for the antibiotics problems. Stay tuned.

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Primal Toad
4 years 10 months ago

“They chew and swallow ten pound Big Ass raw salads daily and derive most of their caloric energy from SCFA. Yep, those gorillas are ultimately on a high-fat diet.”

This really caught my eye! Tell this to vegans….

Primal Toad
4 years 10 months ago

“As you can see, the gut is complicated.”

Uh… yeup.

I think we need to rethink some of the antibiotics that are out there. I think its safe to say that ALL acne related antibiotics have absolutely no place on the market. I have experience myself and with helping others with acne.

Accutane puts people into depression. Hundreds commit suicide after taking accutane. A healthy lifestyle will prevent pimples and whiteheads from popping up. Seriously folks.

And then there is cholesterol lowering drugs…

Some may have their place but many do nothing except cause a ton of harm.

I’ll just do what I can…

Mollehill
Mollehill
4 years 10 months ago

I entirely agree that Accutane has a lot of issues but just wanted to clairfy that it isn’t an antibiotic.

Primal Toad
4 years 10 months ago

Ay, you are right. My bad, my bad. I just get frustrated over acne drugs. Sigh.

Jay Ogg
4 years 10 months ago

I agree with you 100% Toad. I was on doxycycline regimen prescribed for my acne as a teen. After 6 months of unpleasant living, I nixed it altogether, but during that time, I completely changed the dynamic of my gut. Foods I normally tolerated fine weren’t sitting well with me. I never put two and two together, but it was shortly thereafter that I was diagnosed with IBS. A coincidence I do not believe to be…

Arty
Arty
4 years 10 months ago

OMG, you know what. In an article from last year (when I first started eating primally) I mentioned that salad makes me gain weight and that I thought this is quite odd.

I can chow down 5 strips of bacon, 2 eggs and 1 slice of liver sausage heated up in lard and not gain an ounce.
Soon as I pick up the green stuff I’m packing on the weight…lol.

Abel James
4 years 10 months ago

Take your antibiotics with a heaping bowl of raw sauerkraut. 🙂

Happycyclegirl
Happycyclegirl
4 years 10 months ago

“So, if antibiotics eradicate one species from the gut, other species will quickly move to claim the vacancy and increase their population.”

This explains why me and my kids always get yeast infections after a course of antibiotics. Ugh!

Happycyclegirl
Happycyclegirl
4 years 10 months ago

Further to my comment, since going Primal and having minimal sugar in our diets we very rarely now have an outbreak of thrush (yeast infection).

In addition, we aren’t sick as often as before going Primal which means fewer trips to the doctor and fewer chances of being prescribed antibiotics. 🙂

knifegill
knifegill
4 years 10 months ago

Oh, my. Sounds like you were in really sad shape! Living on Ramen? I remember being sick a lot when I lived on noodles. Ah, the good old infection days…

Glad to hear you’re getting it figured out! I had something like ringworm growing on my leg and cutting sugar killed it. We can win this.

bbuddha
bbuddha
4 years 10 months ago

That happened with my grand daughter. It took 2 weeks to get rid of the yeast infection. I’ve been trying to persuade my daughter to move toward primal. especially, think, before you let them prescribe antibiotics. which they will do for everything. I find it maddening.

Timothy
4 years 10 months ago

Gut flora are so astoundingly diverse, they are like animals of the rainforest — new varieties are constantly being discovered, and we probably don’t even understand half of what they do for us.

The more I study them, the more antibiotics seem a drastic last-ditch defense. Much like chemotherapy or a neutron bomb, they wipe out good organisms as well as bad, leaving a shattered ecosystem where civilization must start all over again.

I would have to be in seriously bad condition to consider using antibiotics, chemotherapy, or a neutron bomb.

Bubbe
Bubbe
4 years 10 months ago

Tim,

Buying a sledehammer tomorrow…been going to your website almost every day for the last few weeks studying…any last words of encouragment before my OCD personality take over before I become a pretend coal shoveler in my living room every day?

Timothy
4 years 10 months ago

Bubbe, that’s awesome! Sledgehammers offer strength training, aerobic training, games, or even something like a massage. They’re an underrated part of our stone-age legacy.

My web site only scratches the surface. You will discover all sorts of things on your own just by playing around. I would love to hear how it goes for you.

Have fun stoking the furnace!

fitmom
fitmom
4 years 10 months ago

intestinal bacteria are like our inner plankton.

People w/a diagnosis of lyme must have a rough time of it, as long-term antibiotic use is the treatment.

Agorculture
Agorculture
4 years 10 months ago

I am one week into six weeks of treatment for Lyme with Doxycycline. Hopefully, that will nuke it early and no more will be needed. I wish I didn’t have to do this, but I need to get it before it gets me!

Grokitmus Primal
4 years 10 months ago

Magic always comes with a price 🙂

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4 years 10 months ago

+1

Dave, RN
Dave, RN
4 years 10 months ago

And don’t forget the antibacterial hand soap. It strips all the bacteria off your hands, including the friendly ones. That leaves room for growth of the unfriendlies. SO don’t use antibacterial soaps. Just another link in the chain of causes of antibiotic resistant organisms.

Milla
4 years 10 months ago

Goodness, I hear you…Before I went Primal – during the chicken flu scare – I took to using those hand sanitisers. My hands became so dry they became cracked, and bleeding. It was horrible.

Stan the Man
Stan the Man
4 years 10 months ago

I once had a bad case of athletes foot. I diligently washed and disinfected and all those other microbe-killing strategies. I kept it under control, but it never went completely away.

Finally, I tried simply rinsing with water and keeping my feet as dry and out in the open as possible. The athletes foot went completely away.

Chris Tamme
4 years 10 months ago
This post hits me at the right time. My daughter was just born 3 months ago in an extremely fast labor. It took a little over an hour for her to pop out after my wife’s water broke. My daughter kept coughing up clear fluid and had trouble keeping mild down after nursing. Mind you this was merely within the first 48 hours after birth. My wife saw here cough up some fluid that was green-ish. The docs freaked out and stuck her in the NICU on broad spectrum antibiotics. Of course this freaked me out but I went home… Read more »
cTo
4 years 10 months ago

Oh yeah I read this recently about c-sections, that since the babies dont get pushed through the vaginal canal, they dont get a lot of the fluid in their lungs squeezed out. I could see that being a similar effect in fast labors, if theyre not compressed for long enough.

Lauren
4 years 10 months ago

Newborns have sterile guts so she didn’t lose too much. Keep breastfeeding, and try a drop of coconut water kefir on the nipple at the start of each feed.

Lauren
4 years 10 months ago

Correction: Mike and KK are right about initial innoculation. C-section babies’ guts are populated by airborne bacteria, hence their higher risk for life-long health problems. BF and coconut kefir is still the best antidote in your case!

Maba
Maba
4 years 10 months ago

I had to take ABX when I was pregnant as I had UTI. I so wish I could have gotten around it somehow but at that time, that seemed like the best option. I hope my 14 mo, whom I birthed naturally and has been breast-fed since birth, has a good gut flora.

Chris Tamme
4 years 10 months ago

I realize that her gut is still pristine at that point. My issue is the ignorance of the medical community and the quick draw to the antibiotics. Not to mention the impact on my wallet.

BG
BG
4 years 10 months ago
I am curious about where did this gut bacteria come from in the first place? From breast milk or raw foods? That would give insight to replenishing the gut bacteria after a cycle of antibiotics. Personally, after walking in to the doctors ready to fall over several times this year, then taking antibiotics and feeling much better within 12-24 hours, I am a big fan of modern medicine and am resigned to taking antibiotics regularly over the next five years or so (I have a child in preschool and a baby and we have been a lot more sick the… Read more »
Kk
Kk
4 years 10 months ago

You are born with it. The healthier the mom is the better/ more flourishing your gut flora will be. Read into the GAPS diet about it, fascinating information; you may change your mind about *wanting* to be on antibiotics. Remember they literally mean “against life”. Find the problem/cause instead of treating just the symptom.

Steve
Steve
4 years 10 months ago
The GAPS diet is a very valuable thing. Very close, if not identical to Primal. Dr Campbell-McBride has put together a lot of analysis regarding the increase in autism since antibiotics came on to the scene – if you read the book it is frightening how bad all of the conventional drugs are in relation to our gut flora – even the birth control pill upsets the gut flora. She also points out that a lot of other mental illness can be ‘cured’ by a change in diet where drugs are not guaranteed to make a difference and are addictive.… Read more »
Mike
Mike
4 years 10 months ago

The gut is sterile before birth. Rather disgustingly you get ‘innoculated’ on your way out.

Kk
Kk
4 years 10 months ago

Which is why the healthier the mom, the healthier the baby. Internally speaking 🙂

Hillside Gina
Hillside Gina
4 years 10 months ago

I’m not sure about that part. It just doesn’t make sense to me.

misterworms
misterworms
4 years 10 months ago

That’s right, your first gut bacteria came from a vagina if that’s the way you came out 🙂

On that note: IV penicillin during labor is rec’d for women who test positive for Group B Strep in the 3rd trimester of pregnancy. This is 10-30% of women. Though penicillin is not broad spectrum, I wonder how this affects babies’ initial inoculation during birth.

Anyway, this whole topic is absolutely FASCINATING.

knifegill
knifegill
4 years 10 months ago

I was taught we pick it from our environment and from passing chew toys around as kids. Is this wrong?

Ruth
Ruth
4 years 10 months ago

Part of it comes from the mother’s skin when nursing. Breastfeeding is the original probiotic inoculation.

Patricia
Patricia
4 years 10 months ago
Personally my husband and I have raised an entire brood of very healthy children. We eat natural (mostly homegrown) foods, play hard, lots of fresh air, and love life in general. No doctor visits for these guys, much less antibiotics. We have avoided daycares, nurseries, and public schools for 24 years and have NO regrets. Babies were born at home, too. The older ones are well on their way to raising their children the same way in the same small town. Don’t miss what they never had, and a good life makes up for a small budget. Highly recommended!!
Kk
Kk
4 years 10 months ago

You. Are. Awesome. I am so greatful for people who think outside the box. Thank you!! Like, and double like.

Jess
Jess
4 years 10 months ago

Case closed. Exactly how I envisioned on raising my offspring, when time comes. Even converted my SO from his hard-core, 36-year-streak of processed food diet since birth. Took him less than 6 months to completely embrace it and touting it to his (still) extremely skeptical workmates.

Geoff
Geoff
4 years 10 months ago
There is one class of ‘antibiotics’ that has a host of serious adverse reactions associated with it – Fluroquinolones – a group of drugs that ‘unwind dna’. They are supposed to be used as a last resort option. I was prescribed one by mistake for a training injury Nov 2010 – prior I was a primal/paleo high intensity training guy with no health problems. It destroyed my life and crushed me for almost a year. I discovered thousands of others with the same experience, some formerly very fit like me, some are physically disabled by them. A year on and… Read more »
M Hopkins
M Hopkins
4 years 10 months ago

Following a stay in hospital in 2004 where I was hooked up to an antibiotic drip for 2 weeks as I had reactive arthritis in the knee, I now have Candida overgrowth which is making my life hell. I feel my good bacteria is virtually killed off for good. As a result, I have psoriasis and I’m very angry at the medical consultants who pumped this poison into my system. Over time my condition can lead to cancer. I aim to do all I can to expose the truth.

STAY AWAY FROM ANTIBIOTICS!!!

Paul
Paul
4 years 10 months ago

Although the focus is on prescription antibiotics, what about a natural antibiotic like oregano oil? How broad spectrum is it and are the effects on gut flora similar to prescription meds?

Sabrina
Sabrina
4 years 10 months ago

I would like to know whether natural antibiotics such as oil of oregano or olive leaf extract cause similar damage as well.

Alex
Alex
4 years 10 months ago

I really dont think you need anything more than a symptom checker book and appropriate pill list to be a family doctor lol

Ruth
Ruth
4 years 10 months ago
Just a reminder that antibiotics can save lives. I contracted hemolytic uremic syndrome when I was 18 months old. I am alive now because of them. Of course, I have had yeast issues and battled my weight my whole life, but I’d rather figure out a way to repopulate my gut with good bacteria than be dead. I now know that if I eat any kind of sugar, fruit included, my yeast flares up. I’m now incorporating raw, fermented food and bone broths to repopulate my gut. Of course, if I hadn’t weaned myself at 15 months, I would have… Read more »
Adi Kumar
Adi Kumar
4 years 10 months ago
First post here on MDA after regular reading for about 3 years. Two points to disclose before I continue. One, I am astounded on a daily basis how Mark continues to produce articles of such a high standard and substance. Thanks Mark. Two, I work as a doctor in the NHS in the UK and felt as though I had to voice my opinion on this article and some of its comments. All decisions in medicine (and may be in life) are made on a risk to benefit ratio. The prescription for intravenous amoxicillin and clarithromycin I wrote this morning… Read more »
Gydle
4 years 10 months ago

Nice post, thanks for weighing in.

fitmom
fitmom
4 years 10 months ago

antibiotics save lives, as an emergency measure to combat infection.

But used to dampen the signs of underlying inflammation, like acne, or to appease a parent about their kids’ cough, is awful.

Last time I took a kid to the doctor about a cough, they didn’t offer antibiotics…they offered an inhaler!! No underlying probs, no asthma history…WTF?!

Geoff
Geoff
4 years 10 months ago
Hi Adi I wish the Dr’s I and dozens of others I have spoken with and met who have been seriously harmed by fluroquinolones, had considered the risk ratio before giving them. I and a number of others never had infections. And our lives have been savagely affected. I went from 180kg deadlift, sub 20min 5k and parkour, to being unable to work for 5 months, losing 16kg of muscle mass, being unable to walk and whole body peripheral neuropathy. While this is considered ‘rare’ on investigation its isn’t. The problem is the reporting system. The FDA estimates they receive… Read more »
Martin
Martin
4 years 10 months ago
I agree with most of what you say here. I definitely believe that doctors are trying to help their patients but due to time constraints and poor information this is not always what ends up happening. I just wish more medical doctors were up to date with the most current information. It would be great if more of them took to looking at different types or as you say cutting edge (non drug) treatments. I know that they all have to do continuing education but when the seminars are sponsored by pharmaceutical companies you have to question what kind of… Read more »
Susan Kelly
Susan Kelly
4 years 10 months ago

Somebody should go around collecting poop from indigenous folk who’ve not been exposed to antibiotics or modern life in general. Breed up what’s in there and let the inoculations begin. (Not sure what to do about parasites, though.) You read it here first.

M. Hart
4 years 10 months ago

Adi,

I’m not sure how you distribute drugs in the NHS system. But in America they are given much more readily if a parent or person presents even remotely with an infection symptom.

Emergency medicine is very effective, but it gets used more than that.

knifegill
knifegill
4 years 10 months ago

This is true. I work in a hospital and the usual questions are not if, but [i]which[/i] antibiotics the pt. is taking. Granted, we’re talking critical care. But my facebook people constantly talk about taking antibiotics. It’s very silly. There need to be stricter criteria.

PrimalGrandma
PrimalGrandma
4 years 10 months ago
“The role of the health professional is to fully inform their patient of all potential risks and benefits of a proposed treatment and allow them to make their own informed decision”. Many years ago I was going to a GP who took care of our entire family – including my ex’s family as well. We all thought very highly of him. After undergoing a fairly mild procedure that supposedly usually didn’t produce any problems (if there is such a procedure), I ended up having severe pain and other complications. I asked the GP why wasn’t I told that these complications… Read more »
Susan Alexander
4 years 10 months ago
Great series of posts. Thanks, Mark. I hope tomorrow’s post, or one in the future, will provide a concise list of what to do in the event someone chooses to or has to take some antibiotics. Today I just had a round prescribed for me. I won’t bore you with the details why, but I’ve decided to take it: It’s a a cephalosporin antibiotic, 30 x 500mg It would be super helpful to have a short list of the most helpful things I can do during and after taking this round to ward off the adverse affects detailed in your… Read more »
Diane
Diane
4 years 10 months ago
You can take a good probiotic while you are taking the antibiotic. Take it a couple of hours away from the antibiotic or it will just be wiped out immediately by the drugs. Also yogurt, sauerkraut, fermented foods in general. After the antibiotics, really make sure you are taking the probiotics and lots of different fermented foods. It may take several months to repopulate your intestines with a diverse array of gut flora. You will probably never reconstitute your gut with the same population as you have before the antibiotics. Also — look for Saccharomyces boulardii separately — it is… Read more »
Neil
4 years 10 months ago

Interesting post Mark, and surely there is a lot wrong with the way antibiotics are prescribed and taken (I saw an interesting article on the BBC site showing people failed to take the full course they were prescribed, saving some for the next time they had the flu – even though this is totally ineffective against a virus!).

Certainly if you’ve had to take antibiotics for a reason (I took them last for an E-coli incident)then you should think carefully about the state of your gut flora afterwards…

Gydle
4 years 10 months ago
Great overview of the complex biome that exists in our guts. Scientists don’t yet know all the species present, but it’s in the hundreds, and the interconnectedness of it all is really important. Kids tend to get middle ear infections easily, and then doctors prescribe broad-spectrum antibiotics at the drop of a hat. I was in this loop until I got this tip from my sis (who lives in London) – when they’re little, kids’ eustacian tubes don’t drain well when they’re lying down. If you give him/her a decongestant at night before bed, you prevent the mucus (from a… Read more »
Milla
4 years 10 months ago

Mark, thank you so much for all this info! I can’t wait for tomorrow’s post on solutions! The bit with kids being prescribed antibiotics for viruses and things that dont even respond to antibiotics is outrageous. No wonder kids have such weak immune systems nowadays! Antibiotics are called for very occasionally for a very serious illness, but if used systematically they just lead to a giant viscious circle of weak immune system, illness & more antibiotics…as well as all the nasty side effects. urgh.

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carrya1911
carrya1911
4 years 10 months ago
One is forced to wonder what percentage of the prescriptions of antibiotics are due to some sort of demand from the customers who expect one. Even with lots of education and good intentions, doctors are still human and as such respond to the same incentives other human beings are subject to. “Ask your doctor about X!” is plastered over the airwaves several dozen times per day, so it’s not surprising that people would insist on pills they know next to nothing about and docs would cave in to pressure to “Do Something!” without fully considering how much straw they are… Read more »
Hopeless Dreamer
Hopeless Dreamer
4 years 10 months ago

the vicious cycle begins with children being born to less-than healthy moms…and either breastfeeding ends too soon, or the baby gets a bottle from day 1. No natural immunity factors in formula! then the horrible diet (SAD) that people get used to eating and its no wonder we are so sick in the first place. antibiotics are truly just one more insult to the already injured!

Kristen
Kristen
4 years 10 months ago

Yeah we get it, they are horrific. However I have yet to hear from Mark how we should be treating our raging, painful, quick spreading infections. As you say homeopathy is out, what should we turn to?

Erik
4 years 10 months ago

This is classic. For the most part there is no longer an art to medicine, it’s all about writing prescriptions. This all comes down to time and money for medical establishments.

Brian
Brian
4 years 10 months ago

Butyrex, which is basically butyric acid in capsule form, was very helpful in healing my gut before I found out about Paleo. I still take a couple of capsules a day, just in case, along with probiotics and digestive enzymes from Jigsaw Health. I’m not sure if I need them anymore now that I know what to eat. If you want to accelerate healing I highly recommend them. And raw sauerkraut, kefir, kombucha, and other fermented foods.

raydawg
raydawg
4 years 10 months ago

Interesting, so instead of taking it in pill form we could just eat butter/ghee, etc. while we’re on antibiotics, then when the bio-warfare is over, supplement with fermented foods.

http://wholefoodcatalog.info/nutrient/butyric_acid/foods/high/

I’ll chalk this up as yet another reason to cook with ghee/butter instead of oil on a regular basis.

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Brendon
4 years 10 months ago
This is a very interesting thread. Way back when my oldest (15) was an infant, my then-wife and I would take him to the pediatritian whenever he became sick, which wasn’t often. This was WAY before the Primal/Paleo diets came out (funny…I guess it was actually WAY after lol) Anyway, every.single.time we say this particualr Dr, we left with a prescription of some type. I knew in my gut that this wasn’t right, and we eventually stopped going to her shortly after she prescribed antibiotics for the flu, which everyone knows is a virus and therefore HAS NO CURE. The… Read more »
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4 years 10 months ago

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Audry
2 years 3 months ago

Wonderful. That was very insightful. Just wished to say thanks…
Getting excited about the next good article. ( Please post quicker
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Callum
2 years 3 months ago

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Dan
3 months 5 days ago
I recently tested positive for e-histolytica for the 3rd or 4th time in the past few years, and my Dr once again prescribed me a heavy dose of antibiotics (paromomycin and tindamax). I have grown aware of the long-term damage these meds do to my gut flora, and so since I concluded the last dose of meds 11 months ago, have done everything in my power to fend off infection the old fashioned way. I have drastically changed my diet to more paleo-centric focused on high fat, low carb, almost eliminated gluten and grain consumption entirely, upped my intake of… Read more »
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