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March 28, 2011

Dear Mark: Rancid Fat, Store-Bought Mayo and Rice Bran Oil

By Mark Sisson
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It’s been a while since I published a Dear Mark post and it’s been a fairly anemic news week, so I thought I’d address a trio of (related) reader questions.

If you’ve ever wondered what it means for a fat to be rancid (both for the fat and your body if you consume it), whether eating just a little store-bought every once in a while is all that bad, or where rice bran oil falls in the spectrum of Primal fats read on.

The first comes from reader Timre –

I am a newcomer to the blog and I have been reading up on oils and fats in here and there is a lot of great information but I am having trouble understanding what fats going rancid and oxidizing under heat means to my health. Can you elaborate on this for me?

Timre

Fantastic question. Before I answer, let’s make sure we understand exactly what we mean by “going rancid” or “oxidizing under heat.” Rancidity is popularly defined as the development of obnoxious tastes and odors; a rancid fat or oil is also generally unhealthy. If a fat or oil has gone rancid, it’s usually because it has been oxidized due to light, heat, or oxygen exposure. What’s oxidation? Oxidation occurs when an oxygen molecule fills an opening on a fatty acid. Unsaturated fatty acids are most vulnerable to oxidation, owing to the unsaturated, open double bonds that react with free oxygen molecules. The greater the number of open double bonds, the faster oxidation occurs, because there are simply more openings for the oxygen molecules to target. PUFAs are the most vulnerable, followed faintly by MUFAs, while saturated fats are highly resistant.

The general idea is that oxidized dietary fats and oils negatively impacts health in a number of ways. In pigs (which are omnivores, not unlike ourselves), consuming thermally oxidized oils disrupted thyroid hormone status and decreased plasma cholesterol; perhaps the body was upregulating cholesterol clearance due to the sudden appearance of oxidized lipids. In rats, oxidized frying oil was a potent peroxisome proliferator in the liver; peroxisomes are required to process lipids in the liver, so the fact that oxidized fats stimulated their proliferation might mean that processing the unwanted oxidized fat was a first priority for the body. So, no, this isn’t direct evidence that they cause us harm, but I find it very interesting that in animal studies the bodies’ lipid clearance mechanisms are upregulated whenever oxidized fats come on the scene.

It’s also worth noting that rancid oils taste just awful. I think that’s by design, don’t you? My tastebuds’ immediate knee jerk rejection of rancid fats tells me that I probably shouldn’t be eating rancid fats. Well, that and the aforementioned circumstantial clinical evidence against their inclusion in our diets. Also, check out the answer to the second question. Too much PUFA in general is a problem, and it might be compounded by oxidizing that PUFA beforehand.

I was wondering how bad is vegetable oil in small dozes? I know it’s bad and don’t use it for any kind of cooking, but when it’s a little soy oil or something like that in canned food like Mackerel with tomato sauce (norwegian product) is it ok to eat it? What about store bought mayonnaise? Ok once in a while?

Hilde

Short answer: it’s real bad. Avoid it always.

Longer answer: Obviously, you want to look for canned seafood in its own oil, water, or maybe packed in olive oil. They exist, but you have to look around. The tomato sauce is actually a good addition, as the lycopene in tomato products has been shown to inhibit LDL oxidation and should inhibit similar oxidative protection in PUFAs. Still, even if the soybean oil is pure and true and all its double bonds remain free and clear of oxygen, the absolute amount of omega-6s needs to be monitored. It’s not enough to only focus on avoiding already oxidized PUFA. You have to minimize your overall intake for a couple big reasons.

For one, PUFAs can oxidize in your body. You could eat the finest cold-pressed virgin corn oil (hey, I bet it exists somewhere) and still end up with oxidized LDL, simply because the PUFAs are vulnerable to oxidation in the LDL particle. See, it’s not really the LDL itself that gets oxidized; it’s the fatty acids that the LDL is transporting that oxidize. And if you eat more PUFAs, your LDL is going to carry more PUFAs, and those PUFAs are going to be potentially vulnerable to oxidation. Confounding factors include the antioxidant content of the LDL (vitamin E, CoQ10, mainly), but those antioxidants are going to have to work harder to protect the LDL particles if they’re stuffed with PUFAs derived from your fancy corn oil.

Secondly, the various omega-3 and omega-6 PUFAs “compete” for HUFA (highly unsaturated fatty acid) placement in your tissues. Americans eating standard chow with its 20:1 omega-6:omega-3 ratio will have far more omega-6 in their tissues than omega-3, and, as I’ve mentioned in previous posts, the body makes inflammatory and anti-inflammatory cytokines by drawing upon the tissue PUFAs. Omega-6s and omega-3s make different cytokines. Too much of the former could mean rampant, exaggerated, and chronic systemic inflammation – think heart disease, sore joints, more mental and physical stress.

As for the store bought mayo? Definitely avoid it. The stuff is gross and you’ll use way too much in one sitting. Make your own! Don’t necessarily toss the mackerel this time, though. You should be able to rinse most of the soybean oil off, leaving all that good mackerel fat locked inside. So, yeah, for now – just rinse it off as best you can and keep your eyes peeled for a better brand that uses a better oil.

I’ve read your blog about oils and saturated fat, but found that Rice Bran Oil was not covered. The RBO manufacturers claim it is one of the healthiest oils to use for a variety of reasons including high smoke point. We are using it in our restaurant for deep-frying. Since we are deep frying, I’d like to use the healthiest possible oil that can be obtained at reasonable cost. What do you think?

Mark

You pose an interesting question, Mark. Great name, by the way. I’m a big fan.

Rice bran oil is 39% monounsaturated fat, 35% polyunsaturated fat, and about 20% saturated fat. It has a smoke point of 490 to 500 degrees F, making it a popular up-and-coming fry oil for chefs. It’s also fairly rich in vitamin E, an antioxidant called gamma-oryzanol, and several different plant sterols, all of which should offer some protection for the fat against high heat oxidation. That said, it remains fairly high in PUFAs, which are already high in the standard American diet. And unless you plan on switching out the oil every few hours for fresh batches, you’re going to use up those antioxidants and sterols incredibly fast, leading to oxidation and rancidity.

Ideally? I’d go with beef tallow for deep frying. High in saturated and monounsaturated fats, a long track record of quality frying, almost impervious to thermal oxidation, tallow is quality stuff. The only problem is one of cost and labor; I doubt you’d be able to find a source for large quantities of ready-to-go rendered tallow for a manageable price. You might be able to make a good deal with a local producer for raw, unprocessed suet since demand is pretty low, but you’d still have to render it yourself on a regular basis. Depending on the size of your operation and the amount of time/labor you can devote to the rendering of animal fat, it may or may not be realistic or feasible. Your call.

It looks like rice bran oil might be a decent way to strike a balance between your own personal food ethics and the needs of your business. It’s better than corn oil or partially hydrogenated soybean oil – that’s for sure. Just keep a small supply of tallow on hand for personal use.

Thanks for the questions, everyone! If you want a followup question – or you just have something you need to get off your chest – answered, leave it in the comment section!

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Danielle
5 years 6 months ago

Glad to see that question on Mayo. I’ve been using what looked like healthy “olive oil” mayo from the store… but I’m fairly certain there’s a bunch of other junk in there that’s not olive oil at all.

tigerflower
tigerflower
5 years 6 months ago

I was feeling good about that too, until I looked at the label and saw soybean oil was still the first oil listed. 🙁

Jesse
Jesse
5 years 5 months ago

I am using this mayo daily:
http://www.JKDM.nl/mayo_front.jpg
http://www.JKDM.nl/mayo_back.jpg
Could someone comment on it’s healthyness?
I’m eating it like its tasty fish oil right now, I hope i’m not missing some problem with it.
(I’m including the pictures here so you can read the nutritional label)

Erik
Erik
5 years 6 months ago

Wait? What, no more best foods Mayo??? Drats!

Chase
Chase
5 years 6 months ago

Dammit..I’ve been using Spectrum Mayo from Whole Foods. The plain and olive oil varieties and now I have to throw it away.

Peggy
Peggy
5 years 6 months ago

you don’t *have* to throw it away… you could give it to someone else, leave it as “community property” in the office fridge, finish using it anyway, whatever you want. Or you could scoop it out into the trash & place the jar in recycling 🙂
Once you taste your own homemade stuff you’ll wonder why you bought it. It’s really quite easy to make in a blender. I love the Food Renegade’s version with half olive & half coconut oils.

Suzan
5 years 6 months ago

Thanks for this.

The only bottled mayo I use occasionally is from Wilderness Family Naturals, which is made with coconut oil, olive oil, and sesame oil.

I really hope people (including me) will apply the info in this post – definitely to their 80% and hopefully to their 20% as well.

Nancy
Nancy
5 years 6 months ago

I’ve tried their Mayo, based on the good oils used, but it’s way too sweet for me (too much “evaporated cane juice”, which is still SUGAR).

Chloe
Chloe
5 years 6 months ago

I tried the mayo recipe last week: Although the ingredients list does not include sugar, the instructios mention adding sugar. OK, so I winged that. Still, it came out with a horrible, intense metallic flavor. Has anyone found a way to make it delicious?

Graham
5 years 6 months ago

I was using a brand of olive oil mayonnaise where they snuck in some canola oil as well. It overall came to a 2:1 6:3 ratio, so I thought it was a decent compromise.

Then I realized since I don’t have time to make my own real mayonnaise…I can live without it.

Gabe
Gabe
5 years 6 months ago

Thankfully, I was raised in a mayo-hating Jewish-American household and don’t have to worry about giving up store-bought or making my own. I do, however, have to worry about other people sneaking it into everything.

Suvetar
Suvetar
5 years 6 months ago

Where and on what foods do people use Mayo?
I’m from europe and grew up not even knowing something like mayonnaise exists.
Besides putting it over salad, what is it for?
Salad in europe is just oil and vinegar…mayo would ruin the entire meal.

Elisabeth
Elisabeth
5 years 6 months ago
Tatar sauce with fish? Horseradish sauce with beef? And don’t knock the Americans for deviled eggs and their coleslaw, they are quite tasty. You obviously aren’t from Belgium (&Netherlands) and dip your french fries in mayonnaise. And mayonnaise is a French word, so you aren’t from that part of Europe either (and don’t eat sauce vert for example). Swedes like majonnäs for many things. Scandinavians put hollandaise sauce (basically a kind of hot mayonnaise) on so many different things you probably aren’t from Scandinavia at all. Are you from south-central Europe? The European side of the Bosporus Straits? I’m not… Read more »
Suvetar
Suvetar
5 years 5 months ago
I’m from an area called Palatinate which now belongs to part of southern Germany. It was given back to Austria by the Roman Empire 150 years ago. Most people in that area are ‘immigrants’ from Italy, Austria and the north (tradesmen) Germans weren’t allowed in that area until around first World War. It was an area conquered by the romans lead by the Kelts (now called Austria). On their path they left behind many villages that are of celtic origin and all the houses and churches are still intact…Bockenheim, Kerzenheim, Idar-Oberstein, just to name a few. Many of the foods… Read more »
Nancy
Nancy
5 years 6 months ago

I like to mix mayo with my canned salmon, but I’m finding a drizzle of avocado oil and balsamic vinegar dressing is much better. When I made homemade mayo the oil tended to separate back out when mixed with the salmon anyways, so why bother with the extra work?

Minxxa
Minxxa
5 years 6 months ago

Yum! This sounds great! I ONLY use mayo in tuna, so for me making it is a waste because I only eat tuna once every couple of weeks. I’m going to try some avocado oil, balsamic with my other added spices and see how that comes out.. sounds MUCH easier! 🙂

Rojo
Rojo
5 years 6 months ago

Wow, thanks. I really only needed mayo for my canned salmon salad. And I’m not about to make my own.

charlie
charlie
5 years 6 months ago

Please. Everyone knows mayo is spanish!

Charlie Golf
Charlie Golf
5 years 6 months ago

Mayar – to combine eggs, fat and seasoning to make a spread popular for dressing other foods.

Mayo
Mayas
Maya
Mayamos
Mayais
Mayan

Maybe the 2012 event is going to be the sudden rancidity of mass-produced mayo!

RobG
RobG
5 years 6 months ago

That’s kind of weird since Europe is responsible for mayonnaise. It has been known in Spain, France and Britain for centuries. And it is pretty standard to serve it with pomme frites in France, Belgium and the Netherlands. And it is also not unknown amongst the Baltic states, nor in Eastern Europe. Come on, we’re not letting Europe off the hook for making this stuff that easy…

Louise D.
Louise D.
5 years 6 months ago

I remember being served mayo with french fries (pomes frites) in Germany. Europe is a pretty varied place as far as food goes.

Newt
Newt
5 years 6 months ago

Mayonnaise actually originates from Europe.

Check out the Wikipedia article on it.

Store-bought USian mayonnaise is a bastardized version of good mayonnaise, and my favorite mayonnaise relative is aioli, which includes garlic.

mixie
5 years 6 months ago

Isn’t “salad cream” pretty much the same thing, only with more sugar?

Louise
Louise
5 years 6 months ago

I just bought a huge bag of unsalted nuts from Trader Joe’s….thought I was safe, but didn’t read the ingredients until I got home. They are roasted in rice bran oil! Darn, had to give the whole bag to my boss 🙂

moonablaze
moonablaze
5 years 6 months ago

in the future, trader joes will take back just about anything on an exchange.

Katie @ Wellness Mama
5 years 6 months ago

Great info on mayo… I get that question quite a bit too. Making your own definitely is an adjustment, but it tastes so much better once you get the hang of it!
(P.s. For anyone interested, I’m giving away SIGNED copies of Mark’s books The Primal Blueprint and The Primal Blueprint Cookbook. He was such an inspiration to me when switching to a healthier lifestyle, and I am so excited to be able to pass his info along!)

Katie @ Wellness Mama
5 years 6 months ago
Alex
Alex
5 years 6 months ago

store bought Mayo, really its so sweet if you actually take the time to taste it. and miracle whip is like candy spread. sugar ahh hide.

And if you aren’t trying to improve the taste and texture of dry, bland bread do you even need it?

Make your mayo with butter ,eggs and lemon straight up and put it on….. veggies?

I don’t know good post , I will continue to not eat mayo, I too was disappointed that olive oil mayo is made with soy olives.

Elisabeth
Elisabeth
5 years 6 months ago

Use mayo for:
Aioli, Egg salad, chicken salad, ham salad (with pecan nuts, yum!), cold turkey dipped in mayo. Also plain hard-boiled eggs, sliced, with a smear of mayonnaise, and anchovies on top is really elegant and tasty too. Or sliced tomatoes fresh from the garden, and put salt and pepper (or bacon) sprinkled on top of the mayo.
I mentioned in a previous post in this thread: coleslaw, deviled eggs, tartar sauce, horseradish sauce, sauce vert/rémoulade.

Joe
Joe
5 years 6 months ago

I made mayo recently. It looked fairly decent and was quite thick but after being on my primal bread for 5 minutes it separated and started to drip.

J. Stanton
5 years 6 months ago

My opinion is that if you need to put mayonnaise on anything, it didn’t have enough fat to begin with.

Buy a fattier cut of meat next time.

Jack
Jack
5 years 6 months ago

What does PUFAs oxidizing in your body mean?

thanks

Peter Ross
5 years 6 months ago

Oh well, looks like I’m making my own mayo from now on. How long does homemade keep for? And I really enjoyed Paul Newman’s aioli version, dang..

Peggy
Peggy
5 years 6 months ago

I don’t know how long it keeps as I ate all mine in under 2 weeks. I made this & added dried chiles carribe to it. It was so good mixed with canned tuna on a salad that I ate all. Oh & with sweet potato fries…
http://www.foodrenegade.com/enzyme-rich-mayonnaise/

Timothy
5 years 6 months ago

If tallow is not available for frying, how about coconut oil? Ghee? I’ve fried in skillets with them both and they seem stable at high heat, but I wonder how they stack up against tallow in resistance to oxidation, and whether it would be advisable to use them with a deep fryer. Any opinions?

J. Stanton
5 years 6 months ago

Refined coconut oil is great for deep frying. Basically the more saturated and the less accompanying substances, the more stable it’ll be under heat.

I’ve never heard of anyone deep-frying with ghee: I’d imagine that would get expensive. But it sounds delicious, and I hope someone tries it and reports back! (My deep-fryer is full of tallow or I’d try it.)

Timothy
5 years 6 months ago

Thanks J.! That’s what I had hoped. Ghee or coconut oil would be expensive for a deep fryer, but I expect you could use the same oil for several meals. Still, I wouldn’t be sure when to finally toss out the old oil and put in new, and I wouldn’t want to overcook the meat anyway. So I’ll stick to frying with ghee in my skillet for now.

susie
susie
5 years 6 months ago

VEGANAISE? Is that OK?

Peggy
Peggy
5 years 6 months ago

it is especially good with roasted vegan…

fritzy
fritzy
5 years 6 months ago

Win!!

Kris
5 years 6 months ago

I use only saturated fats for cooking myself, to avoid oxidation. I do use some olive oil on salads once in a while

I do also take some fish oil every day, but I keep it in the fridge at all time so that it doesn’t spoil.

tess
tess
5 years 6 months ago

ya gotta read the label on the fish oils, too — had to throw out some that contained soy oil!!! what are these manufacturers using for brains….

Barefoot Paul
Barefoot Paul
5 years 6 months ago

they make tons of money selling it to people who don’t know otherwise…

Pogonia
Pogonia
5 years 6 months ago

As a compromise for a rare mayonnaise treat…Hain, made with safflower oil?

jpatti
5 years 5 months ago

That’s what I’m currently using.

My problem with homemade is I use it so seldom, it always goes bad and I wind up throwing most of it out.

So the homemade has become a rare thing and I go with the Hain’s as at least it’s not chockful of canola and soy like everything else.

Leah
Leah
5 years 6 months ago

While we’re talking about homemade mayo…I’ve tried with a few different oils, and the way I like it best is with light olive oil. I know this undergoes more processing than EVOO, but I just don’t like the taste of bacon drippings or coconut oil, or even mixtures w/ EVOO & saturated fats. My son has a tree nut allergy, so macadamian nut oil and the like are out…What do you guys think? Is light olive oil, egg yolk, vinegar and mustard still preferable to store bought mayo? We love egg, tuna and chicken salad.

Catt
Catt
5 years 6 months ago

Avocado oil.

I just made some mayo yesterday from this. And this is the first time I have made mayo that I liked the taste of. Its very mild.

Nancy
Nancy
5 years 6 months ago

That depends on what kind of avocado oil you use. The Spectrum refined avocado oil our co-op carries is very mild and good for mayo. The good, dark green avocado oil I use for salads (Olivado or San Pietro) makes a very “flavorful” green mayo, but it separates back out into liquid oil easily. That’s when I gave up and now just use a drizzle of the green oil instead.

Mary
Mary
5 years 6 months ago

Wouldn’t it was best to avoid canned fish in olive oil? I would be concerned about the quality of the oil they are using.

rob
rob
5 years 6 months ago

Not to mention the leaching of elements from the metal can … where was the can manufactured?

China?

Raul T
Raul T
5 years 6 months ago

Mayo…. EEEEWWWW!!!! Haven’t had it since I went primal over 2 years now. Don’t miss it, don’t need it, and don’t want it. Which is wierd, as a kid I loved it.

JW | Natural Mana
5 years 6 months ago

Ug – Hate mayo! I use Hummus instead of Mayo 🙂

primal tree top
primal tree top
5 years 6 months ago

Perhaps, I’m wrong but isn’t hummus made with chickpeas?

Just wondering but, if you like it and it works for you great.

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Debrah
5 years 6 months ago

I just made mayonaise for the first time last week –I used1/2 grape seed oil and 1/2 olive oil, lemon juice, apple cider vinegar,mustard and free range eggs–even my picky grand kids said best mayo ever! What do you think about using the grape seed oil? I keep it refrigerated. I read a quote of Julia Child who said that mayonaise is so easy to make there is no excuse for buying it! And it actually was easier than I anticipated.

Paul
Paul
5 years 6 months ago

Raw egg allergies has kept me away from home made mayo.
Still trying get the confidence to try some “cooked” egg mayo recipes.

xtrocious
xtrocious
5 years 6 months ago

Over in SE Asia, we used to use palm oil for cooking and deep frying but more and more “brainwashed” consumers are switching to soy and corn oils as a “healthier” alternative…sheesh

And surprisingly, it is quite difficult to find coconut oil in SE Asia, perhaps due to its “bad rap” as an unhealthy oil…double sheesh

B
B
4 years 6 months ago

Dunno where in SEA you are but i get a litre of EVCO &/or CPCO for about 500baht in BKK.

primal tree top
primal tree top
5 years 6 months ago
I tried making mayo but it doesn’t turn out well. What kind of oil do you use? Does anyone have an easy great tasting mayo recipe? I like mayo but, not straight up. I use it for salad dressings and my amazing blt wraps abd eggs and bacon breakfast salads. Mayo good mayo just brings out the best in bacon and livens up turkey like nothing else. However, when I can’t find good mayo for my lettuce wraps and I want a treat I have been known to take and make bacon icecream. It is a favorite even among my… Read more »
mixie
5 years 6 months ago

Look for YouTube videos that show you how to do it–I think the biggest trick is the mechanics of the emulsion. If you have an immersion blender it takes about thirty seconds! I did it yesterday for the first time and it was *amazing*.

Primal Toad
5 years 6 months ago

Make your own mayo. It’s fun!

Great post Mark. I have been paying close attention to my omega 6 content lately… I guess I will continue to do that!

YOUR NEW COOKBOOK IS UNBELIEVABLY AWESOME BY THE WAY… I WILL BE SELLING LOTS OF COPIES! MINE ARRIVED TODAY AND IT WOWED ME IMMEDIATELY.

NSWM
5 years 6 months ago

Some of us will have to keep using store bought stuff because we’re not as rich/ fancy/ have time to make our own mayo :/

mixie
5 years 6 months ago

It’s not expensive–just a couple of eggs and some oil. I don’t know about fancy, but time-wise, I did it yesterday for the first time and it took a grand total of about five minutes, including writing down the recipe =).

B
B
4 years 6 months ago

blending eggs and oil is hardly time consuming. nor fancy. nor for the rich, they get their maids to do it(who also find it easy, non-fancy etc)

some of us will have to try & justify being retarded another way.:/ etc

btw – mayo is about 10% as nice as hummous(but thats foreign so you probably think it supports terrorism etc)

back to the store…

Beijing
Beijing
5 years 6 months ago

I love Dear Mark 🙂 Thanks for breaking these questions down. (Also a big fan of Monday Musings – prob one of may favorite formats to read.) Looking fwd to the recipe as well.

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Siscoe
Siscoe
5 years 6 months ago

Ok, so maybe this is a dumb question, but I’m still new at this. If I want to use beef tallow but am not about to start rendering, could I just cook a little suet in a pan before I want to cook whatever I’m planning to cook?

Or was that dumb, and I should crawl back under my lurker rock?

Nancy
Nancy
5 years 6 months ago

Sure, that would work, but rendering is actually pretty easy. My husband does it all the time (he’s the cook in the family). It’s just a slow melt of chopped up fat in a heavy pan and then strain through cheesecloth. You could even use a crock pot. We actually prefer lard (rendered pork fat). I think it has a much nicer flavor than tallow. It’s nice to have a jar of rendered lard in the fridge available for cooking (eggs, veggies, browning meats, etc.)

Siscoe
Siscoe
5 years 5 months ago

How long is it good for, if its kept in the fridge?

Nancy
Nancy
5 years 5 months ago

I think “forever”. We’ve kept it for at least several months in the fridge with no problem. Or you can split it up into a few containers and put all but one in the freezer. In the freezer it’s good for a year or more.
I’ve heard of pemmican made with dried meat and rendered tallow keeping *unrefrigerated* for 20 years, so I don’t think we have to worry!

Newt
Newt
5 years 6 months ago
I tend to use a bacon fat/olive oil combo or just straight bacon fat. Your egg yolks have to be room temp, and the bacon fat has to be melted and cooled a bit. It will be very thick. But, given how much bacon I go through, I always have enough rendered fat for mayo. Toss it with some tomatoes, lettuce, and bacon, and you have yourself a delicious BLT salad. NSWM, it’s fairly cheap. An egg or two, whatever fat source you have (probably not butter, though), salt, vinegar and/or lemon juice. I like to use mustard (dry powder,… Read more »
mixie
5 years 6 months ago

Mayo made with bacon fat? What glory is this?!

A bit of puttering around on Google, and lo and behold: http://www.seriouseats.com/2009/10/the-food-lab-meatonnaise-mayonnaises-mayos-bacon-lamb-duck-beef-fats-science.html –a smidgeon of science and several glorious “meatonnaise” recipes =)

Nancy
Nancy
5 years 5 months ago

Thank you so much for this link! We’ve got lots of pork fat from a pig fattened on hazelnuts (it’s wonderful stuff, both the pork and the fat) and I think the rendered lard would make great hazelnut lard mayo since the fat melts to a lovely clear liquid at a low temperature (it will even melt from holding the raw fat in your hands).

Rojo
Rojo
5 years 6 months ago

Salad dressing.

Anyone know of a brand that isn’t soybean oil? Even the fancy kinds, even the “healthy” kinds have it.

I know I should make my own but that’s just not going to happen.

bbuddha
bbuddha
5 years 6 months ago

I thought the same thing when I first started but it’s wicked easy and I couldn’t find any store bought that had good oils in it. olive oil, lemon juice, cilantro, salt and pepper and you’re good to go. I just had some tonight on my biiiggg salad 🙂

Nancy
Nancy
5 years 6 months ago

I had the same problem with commercial salad dressing, and also not wanting to have to make my own. What I finally came up with is delicious and EASY. Mix 1 cup avocado oil (the green kind, like Olivado) and 1/4 cup balsamic vinegar. Shake and pour. That’s it, and it’s delicious. To make it even easier I’ve got an empty salad dressing bottle that I drew lines on with a permanent marker. I fill to the first line with oil and to the second line with vinegar. Even I can manage that!

mixie
5 years 5 months ago

Even the yogurt-based brands–and there truly is no need for added soy oil in a creamy yogurt dressing.
If you want to make it, bbuddha is right–it’s super easy. You can take plain, live-culture yogurt and add (dry) granulated garlic, dill, salt and pepper, parsley and onion. A yogurt tub of this lasts a good long time, and if you buy live-culture yogurt will be “fridge stable” for quite a while.

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Healthy Hideout
5 years 5 months ago

I honestly struggle with mayo – I love it on sandwiches and as a treat with fried goods. I’ve always been skeptical about the contents though – really should get into making my own.

JMar
JMar
5 years 5 months ago

Does anyone know about coconut oil? Is it a healthy choice to cook with?

LisaL
LisaL
5 years 5 months ago

I made mayo when we first started Paleo and it tasted awful. Not sure what I did wrong, but all I could taste was the lemon juice.
I’ll have to try it again though. I’ve been saving up bacon fat and need to use it for something! 😀

Mary
Mary
5 years 5 months ago

I love mayo… I love it on meat and for dipping roasted sweet potatoes… I made it once with EVOO and was yucked out by it, but I bought some avacado oil to try it with instead. Shamefully I still eat Miracle Whip once in awhile because I just love the taste of it… :p

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[…] ditched the sticky, colorless mess of high fructose corn syrup/sugar/soybean/canola oil that is store-bought mayo and have started making their own. The lovely pale yellow color, silky, creamy texture and delicate […]

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[…] besides the flavor and smell? Rosemary-infused olive oil displayed the strongest resistance to oxidative damage and rancidity, beating out herbs such as thyme, lemon, and basil (although both thyme and lemon improved […]

Mike
Mike
5 years 3 months ago

I buy beef skirt (the belly) which has some meat and a lot of fat. It cost 3-5 Euros a kilo here in Spain. I trim out the fat from the meat and dry render the fat. The meat is excellent for stews or an Italian ragu.

natschultz
natschultz
4 years 11 months ago
This post is old, but for deep frying, Tropical Traditions makes a good product called Palm Shortening. It is NOT hydrogenated palm oil, rather it is expeller-pressed palm oil that has had most of the mono-fats removed, leaving just the saturated fats behind, so it is a solid similar to lard (or Crisco). I bought a gallon of it – it actually isn’t that expensive, but on a reastuarant scale it might be. Then again, Rice Bran oil isn’t that easy to come by either, so maybe the cost of palm shortening in bulk would be comparable. Then again, I… Read more »
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[…] besides the flavor and smell? Rosemary-infused olive oildisplayed the strongest resistance to oxidative damage and rancidity, beating out herbs such as thyme, lemon, and basil (although both thyme and lemon improved […]

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[…] Depending on the source and age of the adulterants (year old soybean oil, five month canola, etc), the once robust polyphenol profile of the starter extra virgin olive oil will have been severely diluted. And since the healthful, anti-inflammatory effects of olive oil can mostly be attributed to the polyphenols, olive oil adulterated with inferior, polyphenol-less oils will be less stable, more rancid, and more prone to oxidation. Oxidized oils are not very good for us; here’s why. […]

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[…] besides the flavor and smell? Rosemary-infused olive oil displayed the strongest resistance to oxidative damage and rancidity, beating out herbs such as thyme, lemon, and basil (although both thyme and lemon improved […]

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[…] is not ideal) and tends to go rancid easily in heat.  Most oils used in commercial products are already rancid.  Also, xanthan gum is made of corn, which is something I’m personally trying to avoid, as […]

Meagan
2 years 7 months ago

Chipotle just changed from soy oil to rice bran oil in all their food. I am happy about this change, since I can’t have soy. I think rice bran oils is a much better choice than the other oils like canola, peanut, safflower…

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