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10 Jun

Quitting Chronic Cardio

I hope the publication of this particular success story doesn’t come across as too self-serving. Reader Brett expresses at length his appreciation for what I do, and for that I’m very grateful. My goal is to touch millions of lives with the Primal Blueprint message, and it’s emails from readers like Brett that motivate me to keep doing what I’m doing. But at the end of day it’s not about what I do. It’s about all of the decisions each of you make daily. I’ll continue to do my small part in challenging conventional wisdom and attempting to provide some direction amidst all of the confusion. But it’s up to you to take that information and do something with it. So make like Brett and his wife Beth and get Primal today!

If you have your own success story and would like to share it with me and the Mark’s Daily Apple community please contact me here. I’ll continue to publish these each Friday as long as they keep coming in. Thanks for reading!

Dear Mr. Sisson,

Please allow us to humbly express our deep sincere gratitude to you for the invaluable health and nutrition knowledge you are generously sharing through your online and other publications. We provide a brief outline of our story here in hope that others may find it helpful.

Our Brief Background Chronology

I, Brett, and partner Beth, 54 and 56 years of age respectively, have been enthusiastic lifelong endurance athletes. Our general lifestyle theme is to achieve the highest possible levels of health and fitness. It has long been our ambition to become centenarians. I began excelling physically as a competitive gymnastics champion at 12 years of age. During my teen years I began competing successfully in marathons, and continued in the sport at a recreational level for 30 years. Beginning each day with between a ten and thirty mile run became my fundamental lifestyle principal. More than a decade ago we began to find the Ironman triathlon competition more eventful and appealing than marathon running, and converted mostly to training for Ironman events. Partner Beth’s experience in endurance athletics has been similar to mine, as we evolved and trained together for the past 20 years. Although we were recreational athletes, our training was intense and our level of competitive standing was relatively high. By our mid-40s, we’d achieved success in international business, and made the lifestyle decision to retire and dedicate fully to pursuing ultimate physical fitness, health and well-being. We planned to continue our triathlon training and competitions indefinitely. Subsequent, for most of a decade, our daily regimen consisted of 6 to 8 hours of training. Much of which entailed intense training, where we adhered to performance quotas and rigorous goals. Nutrition is of immense interest to us. We researched and studied sports and health nutrition in depth for over 30 years. In our attempts to leverage optimal health and physical fitness, we experimented over the past 20 years with dietary regimens ranging from vegan to aggressive carnivore, but for the majority of our lives we adopted the conventional lower fat, high carb diet. We have been invariably careful about the quality of our food products. We have not and will not consume any processed foods of any type. For example, we presently live on our own sustainable organic farm, where we produce 100% of our own food requirements under exacting plant and animal raising protocols. We’ve spared no expense in achieving a diet that is free of the contaminants that characterize most of the commercial food chain. Water is our only beverage, and we have our own deep water well that provides water with exceptional natural purity, and we further process this water through our customized processing system, for even greater purity. Essentially we have long been generally trying to do everything correctly to support achieving our goals of ultimate physical fitness and health. The results of our lifelong dietary and exercise efforts, until recently, however, proved to leave us far short of our goal.

Coming to Terms with Failure

As we entered our 50s, we may have appeared fit, and our endurance event performances may have supported the image of strong health and fitness, but this was purely a facade. By reasonable and objective definition, we were unfit and in poor and failing healths. Given our high level of endurance training and  corresponding dependence on frequent carbohydrate fueling, we evolved to become borderline diabetic. Further, we exhibited many symptoms of the currently well recognized metabolic syndrome (namely excess of waistline body fat levels and other systemic markers of potential heart disease). Particularly disturbing to us was the accumulation of excess body fat around our waist lines that we were finding we were unable to lose, despite our 30 to 40 hours a week of training, and even aggressive calorie-restrictive dieting. We had little if any vital energy to carry out tasks and activities beyond our dogmatic endurance training regimen.

At this point it became blatantly clear to us that our entire health nutrition knowledge base had been all wrong, and we desperately needed new direction and a new plan to avert our pending health and fitness catastrophe. We began urgently digging deeply for truths and new direction. We gradually began to understand clearly the insidious health hazards of the carbohydrate-based diet and abandoned such. We then transitioned to a high fat diet and embraced many of the Paleo Diet theories as presented by Dr. Loren Cordain. But as we aimed to continue our commitment to achieving ultimate fitness through aggressive intense endurance training, while fueling on fat, our fitness levels and general healths declined even further. We were forced to moderate our exercise regimens as our fitness levels declined, and we continued with a Paleo type diet, but were lost in a cloud of uncertainty and lack of direction. We researched ambitiously to establish a new dietary and exercise plan, but for a long period of time we were not able to formulate a general healthy nutrition plan that we could be confident about or have faith in.


By great fortune for us, our desperate nutritional research efforts eventually led us to Mr. Mark Sisson’s comprehensive range of principles on health and fitness, which he generously shares through his numerous online publications. As lifelong athletes, with the deeply instilled beliefs that intense physical training of long durations would lead to better health and fitness and a better quality of life, our initial interpretation of Mr. Sisson’s Primal Blueprint theory was one of skepticism. Our deeply ingrained cultural and lifestyle biases brought us to be parochial and not readily able to see the light of reality. However, Mr. Sisson’s tireless and ambitious ability to confess his doctrine and values for the benefit of others, and to do so in a manner that is exceptionally extensive and comprehensive, allowed us to gradually but relatively quickly, internalize his principles and emerge to realize that Mr. Sisson conveys the absolute gospel. It was the fact that Mr. Sisson answered many of our uncertainties with certainty, confidence and comprehensive logical validation, that brought us to realize his great integrity and his abundant authority to provide leadership for athletes misguided as we were. For example, the very controversial and high-profile question of the relationship between consumption of animal fat/saturated fat/a high-fat diet and heart disease, is one which much erroneous information abounds about, and it is a question that  few health authors will take a strong position on. Mr. Sisson, however, thoroughly and comprehensively clarifies the truth for us on this matter, and he provides references to valid logical scientific data that proves his position is correct.

Realizing the Primal Blueprint Good Life

We are beyond grateful to state that we have made some enormous improvements in health and quality of life during the past year through having adopted Mr. Sisson’s exercise and nutrition principles. We have come to realize that intense aggressive endurance training is not a prerequisite for, nor component of, physical fitness. As Mr. Sisson clarifies, training regularly for a 10 hour intense endurance event is unnatural, unsustainable, and in discordance with our biological evolutionary heritages. Mr. Sisson has redefined accurately and clearly what constitutes physical fitness and a corresponding higher quality of life. Mr. Sisson provides brilliant leadership guidance that is comprehensive and correlates all relevant matters of nutrition and physical activity, leaving nothing vague and uncertain. We gave up Ironman training and competitions nearly a year ago, and are now grateful for having done so. Also, for nearly a year we have adopted the general principles of the Primal Blueprint diet in their entirety. We have, for instance, at present in our freezer at our Arizona organic farm, several hundred pounds of beef fat harvested from organically raised cattle. Beef fat is our soul source of fuel and our favorite food item, which we consume thousands of calories a day of. The result of adopting the Primal Blueprint diet and exercise principles has been our achieving the leanest body compositions we have experienced in years, stable blood sugar levels, stable energy levels, and the return of normal vital energy for engaging in daily activities. We have abundant energy, for example, to take a 100 mile recreational day bicycle tour through the Arizona desert and do so often. Our running, weight training, and other physical activities are now limited and rarely intense. Our strengths and general fitness levels have improved, and perhaps for the first time in our lives, we are beginning to realize genuine physical fitness. Adopting the logical evolutionary science-based Primal Blueprint principals, which are correct and effective, for the longest time eluded us, as they may elude many persons of similar cultural backgrounds. It took Mr. Sisson’s ambitious and caring leadership to guide us to our enlightenment, and we remain immeasurably indebted.

I’ve been converted to the Primal Blueprint only a short time, and only recently transitioned from the bio-systemic instability inherent in a carb-based diet to the excellent stability and well-being inherent in fueling exclusively on fat. In this photo, which is a very early “after” commencing PB photo, versus the pre-PB photo (above), I have reduced the relaxed waistline (and waistline body fat deposit) measurement by 1.5 inches. Perhaps in six months to a year, both wife Beth and I can resubmit some photos and updates.

In conjunction with communicating and sharing his valuable health and nutrition knowledge, Mr. Sisson de facto acts for some of us, as a mentor, role-model and therapist. Many persons of Mr. Sisson’s generation, perhaps bestowed with similar cultural indoctrination to Mr. Sisson, formulated their lives around the concept of intense endurance training fueled by a high carb diet being a requirement for or a component of optimal physical fitness and a path to a better life quality. For such persons, the eventual realization that their plan was skewed and their efforts have not only been in vain, but have been health destructive, may be a matter that requires some difficult coming to terms with and cognitive adjustment. To arrive at the ultimate realization that they have dedicated perhaps the better years of their lives and the major portion of her lives to a false and harmful prophecy may be at least disturbing. Mr. Sisson provides a model of excellence for dealing with this consideration. As he advocates in his various writings, we need take responsibility and accountability for our circumstances. Mr. Sisson executes this nobly as he candidly identifies and shares the realities of his earlier life misdirections with health and fitness, and without remorse, employs his experience constructively to help others find their way to health and nutrition enlightenment and a genuinely better life experience.

You want comments? We got comments:

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  1. Addiction to chronic cardio can be just as bad for some people as too many carbs can be addictive for others. I’m a huge proponent in exercise but you also can’t beat your body down too hard without a respective rest period.

    Congrats on the success!

    Nutritionator wrote on June 10th, 2011
    • Is It just me or is this guy yanking Mark’s chain After reading the post I got the impression it was April fools day. I mean really take this qoute for example “We have, for instance, at present in our freezer at our Arizona organic farm, several hundred pounds of beef fat harvested from organically raised cattle. Beef fat is our soul source of fuel and our favorite food item, which we consume thousands of calories a day of”

      and this one

      “We have abundant energy, for example, to take a 100 mile recreational day bicycle tour through the Arizona desert and do so often.”

      Still sounds like chronic cardio is ruling his life still.

      Also “Our running, weight training, and other physical activities are now limited and rarely intense.”

      The primal workout is all about hard intense lifting and running”

      Yep sounds like he is pulling your leg.

      jeff stokoe wrote on June 10th, 2011
  2. Interesting story, but it would be easier to read with fewer adjectives.

    Tim wrote on June 10th, 2011
    • Boy, that’s the truth as me and my
      partner would say…

      gman wrote on June 10th, 2011
      • This guy, Brett, seems no different than the crazy religious fanatics. Btw, nice Mercedes, showoff… lol.

        Sagetz wrote on June 10th, 2011
        • Btw, the first picture looks way better than the 2nd. For a second I thought that the pictures were accidentally out of order, but apparently not.

          Whatever you were doing in the first example seemed to give you better results. Now you just look like a skinny marathon runner.

          Turtle wrote on June 10th, 2011
        • I think he looks way better right now. You can tell in these pictures that his body doesn’t look natural.

          Primal bodies look the best, IMO

          Zach wrote on June 10th, 2011
        • I have to agree. He is very lean in both but has more muscle in the top photo, particularly in the chest.
          Of course, it could be that he is carb depleted and his muscles look flat due to holding less water and glycogen. The darker tan also adds to the more appealing look in the first photo.

          Indiscreet wrote on June 12th, 2011
  3. This is a great testimonial to give people a realistic idea of what chronic cardio really means. It’s not going for an easy 3 mile jog a few times a week or doing an occasional half-marathon.

    On another note, while there has clearly been a transformation, I gotta say, that’s one of the best “before” pictures I’ve seen!

    Al Kavadlo wrote on June 10th, 2011
  4. I wouldn’t call it self-serving at all. I think all of us feel the same about you Mark! You are indeed a mentor and role-model and deserve every last one of those adjectives!

    Peggy The Primal Parent wrote on June 10th, 2011
  5. Some people are workout junkies and with all this time on their hands it seems to have become excessive.

    Different strokes….. I guess, but it’s probably better than sitting around on a computer or watching TV all day.

    Reacher wrote on June 10th, 2011
  6. I can’t wait to post my sisters and I’s stories. We Truly appreciate you, mark. :)

    Miss*Kris:primal wrote on June 10th, 2011
  7. Wish my before picture looked like that! 😮

    Miss*Kris:primal wrote on June 10th, 2011
    • Please recognize that one’s physical image, in accordance with Western stereotypes of what underscores health and fitness, can be enormously misleading. Although my before photo may convey otherwise to some viewers, it realistically represents a time when I was at the lowest health point in life, on the edge of both diabetes and heart disease, as well as progressively accumulating visceral body-fat deposits.

      Brett wrote on June 10th, 2011
      • Where were the visceral fat deposits? This is borderlining on anorexia.

        morgan wrote on June 10th, 2011
        • Morgan

          Anorexia is really not part of the equation here – my actual body fat level was well over 10% and if you could have observed the immense amount of food I consumed while tri- training you would quickly dismiss the possibility of anorexia.

          Visceral fat compressed against my vital organs like tumors – and was exceedingly uncomfortable, moreover I was rapidly losing ground in terms of increasingly accumulating more and more visceral fat while on the carb diet and aggressive endurance training. Remarkably, it seems that here in the West there is not adequate understanding of the implications of visceral fat in one’s general health.

          “Visceral fat is harder to lose than subcutaneous fat because it is more deeply embedded in the body’s tissues. Visceral fat is only measured accurately by an imaging machine that can see how much of the abdomen is made up of visceral fat. A person may be within a healthy weight range, but still have too much intra-abdominal fat around the internal organs.

          The liver metabolizes visceral fat and releases it into the bloodstream as cholesterol. Harmful, or “bad” cholesterol, which is Low-Density Lipoprotein (LDL), builds up into a plaque that blocks the arteries. Losing weight through proper diet and effective exercise can help reduce visceral fat. How much fat a person eats does matter as studies have shown that those who eat 30% or more of their diets as fat usually have high amounts of visceral fat. ” ( source:

          Brett wrote on June 11th, 2011
        • On his *internal* organs… not on his belly.

          me wrote on June 11th, 2011
  8. Brett–

    My hat’s off to you for your strong dedication to ultimate physical health. It can’t be easy to put in all that time and dedication to a grueling training regimen to then make the leap to admitting that perhaps it was not the path to optimal fitness. Many people would not have been open to change at that point. You and your wife are both to be commended for your execeptional ability to be open to trying new things.

    fritzy wrote on June 10th, 2011
    • You address a salient factor, that being that we may indeed be in a state of denial, or may simply wish to refuse to face reality. For Beth and I, the cognitive transition took a number of years to fully achieve, but the feeling of embracing reality is glorious!

      Brett wrote on June 10th, 2011
  9. “Chronic cardio” … what a joke.

    Real men don’t do “cardio” they engage in athletic activities. Cardio is for overweight soccer moms.

    rob wrote on June 10th, 2011
    • Everyone makes mistakes. Every one of us is here because we made bad nutritional or athletic decisions. Good job guys for finding your way out! You’ve got to be a real man or woman to do that.

      Peggy The Primal Parent wrote on June 10th, 2011
      • Absolutely. There isn’t one among us who hasn’t fallen victim to believing CW at some point. It’s not where you start, it’s where you finish.

        jared wrote on June 10th, 2011
    • Take your soccer mom jokes and shove ’em straight up your backside, pig! I know a LOT of soccer moms who are very fit, my daughter included. What is wrong with being a soccer mom? Was yours a fat couch potato or something?

      cjbrooks wrote on June 10th, 2011
    • Ouch! Let’s play nice here!

      Julietta wrote on June 11th, 2011
      • Referring to the guy with the “overweight soccer mom” remark, not the soccer mom defender!

        Julietta wrote on June 11th, 2011
  10. I always respect that the success story contributors are brave enough to put so much out there for criticism, and yet… still have some reservations about this one. Perhaps I’m influenced by the writing style and stern photos (please, please exhale), but doubters might too easily dismiss the approach described here as orthorexic.

    jp wrote on June 10th, 2011
    • agree! a little less “tummy tuck” please.

      Brett Beth: It’s a long, bumpy road overcoming addiction. Congratulations on your recovery process!

      peggy wrote on June 10th, 2011
    • I too have reservations about this success story. I get the point about chronic cardio though.

      Gorm wrote on June 10th, 2011
    • that’s what i thought too.

      does this guy really believe his “after” photo is better than his “before”?

      …he actually thought he was a bit fat in the first pic?

      hmm... wrote on June 10th, 2011
      • There is a high degree of self absorption involved in the story…
        Think Grok was overly self absorbed?
        I don’t know…he probably didn’t have the time…instead of retiring at 45…
        he was dead…

        gman wrote on June 10th, 2011
    • I agree. This wouldn’t be a post I would show to friends to explain the primal life. It seems difficult and sad!

      Usually MDA helps you to remember it is all worth it to make changes because you feel so darn great!

      I didn’t sense the same excitement from them although I wish them ALL the best in their journey.

      Crunchy Pickle wrote on June 10th, 2011
      • The improvement in quality of life we are already realizing from the PB mantra is substantial, and we are only yet early in the transition. It is indeed “darn great” to realize energy for many new recreational activities!

        Brett wrote on June 10th, 2011
    • I have to agree. I love before/after real-life stories that help me believe that un-CW strategies like PB (which I am in my first week of) really do produce results. I was pleased when reading this account when he mentioned the inability to lose excess waistline fat. But then I saw the before and after pics and was deflated, to say the least. For someone to feel that the before pic was un-ideal and included excess body fat, is, in my opinion, the sign of unhealthy (mentally) obsessive-compulsiveness. No offense to Brett and Beth, their commitment is admirable. However, real-world before/after stories such as those found with Body For Life (which gave me amazing results) are more inspiring to me. For average people looking to lose weight and be more healthy, those types of stories are more inspiring (and frankly, more motivating) than this one. For someone in average or below average physical condition, who needs to improve overall health and cut body fat, this article is almost de-motivating–to see someone in the unreal, ripped before picture with single-digit body fat, used as an example of a “before” PB condition. Let’s see more before/afters from average people with more common needs and desires…not from elite athletes who desire to go from 6% BF to 3%. And Brett doesn’t look happy in either. I like to see “after” photos that show the joy of relatively large overall health improvements, not a photos of an obsessive compulsive who goes from unreal condition to…slightly better condition? (Like I said I thought the overall build looked better in pic 1..and talk about lean!) Again, not an attack here…I’ll just have to say that when I started reading the essay, I was prepared to be inspired by a motivating transformation…but was left feeling flat, frankly.

      Peter wrote on June 10th, 2011
      • Your comment raises the helpful consideration that we may better look deeper than the surface in gauging our state of physical well-being. Although my photo waistline may not have evidenced such, a thick layer of visceral fat accumulated under the abs held major implications for HD (extreme lipid levels), and practically impaired physical performance. Remarkably, I found no way to counter this element of health decline while involved in endurance training and fueling with carbs.

        Brett wrote on June 10th, 2011
        • I think people are making the mistaken assumption that people who are not overweight or out of shape don’t also have health problems and need the real health advice Mark provides! There is a reason Mark continually condemns chronic cardio, and it is not for the benefit of the out of shape or “average” person (except maybe to keep them from going down that path), but for the benefit of the lean, cardio obsessed, athletic people out there who are killing themselves just as effectively as the overweight “average” person! These people may be the minority but they still need Mark’s help and advice and maybe even the odd success story that reaches them.
          A lot of judging going on on MDA today. Remember, we all have different priorities, and hold ourselves to different standards.
          I do hope Brett and Beth are enjoying life more with this more relaxed and fun fitness regime. Congrats!

          Robin wrote on June 10th, 2011
    • I feel the same way. And it reads like someone blogging about finding God, which I find hilarious (ex. “salvation”, “gospel”, the almighty Mark Sisson’s guidance…)

      Reiko wrote on June 10th, 2011
      • Yes, the analogy is not entirely unfounded as, given it is real and valid, the Mark Sisson/PB theory has had a much greater positive impact on our lives than popular superstitious faith.

        Brett wrote on June 10th, 2011
  11. While we are all grateful for the time and energy Mark and others have put in to educating the public on human health, the great thing about this community is that it feels legitimately egalitarian. Many people have taken the basic principles and churned out their own form-fitted life-style approach, so there’s no need to treat any of this as gospel. It’s a constant work and learning experience in progress.

    Kudos to you and your wife for demanding the best strategy for health and having the courage to redefine your approach to nutrition.

    Stephanie wrote on June 10th, 2011
    • A sagacious assessment! Our story is only on mundane account among many, and we must have gratitude for the Mark Sissons of society whom take time to care.

      Brett wrote on June 10th, 2011
  12. I look foward to Friday success stories but this one did not resonate with me. “Brett” seems obsessive and very tightly wound, which made me sad reading his story. And submitting a photo of yourself posing in front of your Mercedes…. well ….. seems out of sync with the down to earth vibe this site and its followers seem to present. Just my two cents.

    Peg wrote on June 10th, 2011
    • I agree with you Pegg.

      Gorm wrote on June 10th, 2011
    • plus MB has California plates… in Arizona?

      peggy wrote on June 10th, 2011
      • I live in Arizona and ran round with out-of-state license plates for over 2 years before getting AZ plates. As long as my registration was still valid in my previous state, I didn’t worry about it. Plus people move around a lot back and forth—

        PrimalGrandma wrote on June 10th, 2011
      • American culture is enamored with cars – the MB in the photo is a full electric conversion, and hence, could be viewed as more primal than the typical car in the sense it is not contributing to our carbon overload and its insidious impact on the health of humanity.

        Brett wrote on June 10th, 2011
        • Except much of the electricity in this world is generated with coal.

          Ralph wrote on June 10th, 2011
        • Is that a tailpipe on the fully electric car?

          Chris Sears wrote on June 11th, 2011
    • I couldn’t agree more.

      NoSurf wrote on June 10th, 2011
      • + 1

        Melissa wrote on June 11th, 2011
    • Signed

      cTo wrote on June 10th, 2011
    • I have to agree. I didn’t take away anything inspiring from this “success”. Mark please post another truly inspiring success.

      Stacey wrote on June 10th, 2011
      • I am not there (at success) as yet in physical image, but the inherent is far more important to us – that is having found the correct and realistic path to genuine health and fitness. For those of us whom have been lost for some time, the sensation of findings one’s way is sublime!

        Brett wrote on June 10th, 2011
    • Hate much? What does having or not having a Mercedes have anything to do with being down-to-earth or Primal?

      Not all of can relate to the hard-core athletic lifestyle Brett and Beth had been living, but the point of the story is that it did not result in optimal health.

      Get over the class warfare schadenfreude people.

      HillsideGina wrote on June 10th, 2011
      • Gina, in your opinion did the before pic reflect “un-optimal health”, as opposed to the after pic?

        Peter wrote on June 10th, 2011
      • Schadenfreude is when you’re happy that someone else got hurt, emotionally or physically.

        Envy would’ve been a better word.

        Annika wrote on June 10th, 2011
      • I agree with Gina – people are getting really dogmatic about what kind of ‘success story’ they want to read, and they’re also being kinda mean…

        Brett, you are very different to most people here, but you’re still welcome! :) Some people get off on pushing themselves to the limits of what is possible, while others prefer to sit and relax in their garden with a cup of tea and some wind-chimes nearby. I’m glad to hear you’ve loosened up your lifestyle a little, Brett. You say that you’re not nearly the success you’d like to be – I think your next goal should be to loosen up a little more. Life is to be enjoyed, not endured (and boy, have you already done a lifetime’s worth of that!):) You seem like the sort of person who is very hard on himself: for that reason, I think you should challenge yourself by indulging! Instead of living off beef fat alone – have some berries dipped in dark chocolate, maybe spend a day doing nothing in particular – no plans allowed – life is for (good) living!

        kerrybonnie wrote on June 10th, 2011
  13. Impressive story. Congratulations on your success. I have to say that something seems off to me especially in the second photo. That thirty pound, steel frame bike that doesn’t even have clipless pedals does not match up with being a competitive iron-man triathlete nor for taking “100 mile recreational rides”. I have to assume that’s not your training or racing bike because there’s no way you could ride that thing 112 miles and be competitive. I hate to be a hater, but that’s too obvious to not point out.

    WS wrote on June 10th, 2011
    • What? I personally would assume that someone so dedicated to triathlon has SEVERAL bikes. Using a heavier bike is great for casual rides. Plus, you can get into all sorts of debates on the merits of steel frames. And kick stands and pedals are really useful if you’re taking a day trip where you may want to stop and not have to lay your bike down, clop around in bike shoes, etc. At any rate, he’s not wearing one of his probably many tri suits so it makes sense that he’s not taking his race bike out for a spin.

      April wrote on June 10th, 2011
      • Sorry, but no serious triathlete I know has a bike even close to that regardless of what type of rides they may go on. Just sayin. Something’s off.

        WS wrote on June 10th, 2011
        • No disrespect to our “weight weenies” but I’ve gratefully put my frail and dangerous 18lb carbon tri-frame behind me forever, and this is a great attribute of embracing a PB lifestyle transition!

          Brett wrote on June 10th, 2011
        • Actually, where I live in northern New England, a lot of us serious cyclists and triathletes own mtn bikes, which are pretty heavy, to ride outside during the winter. Nice not to worry about frost heaves, downed branches, etc. which plague our roads in the winter. Plus, the extra weight makes the hill work that much more effective, and you can get a better workout in shorter time, which means less time in the cold and wind!

          Rich wrote on June 11th, 2011
      • Looks like a girls bike

        Greg wrote on June 10th, 2011
        • From K Mart. Just saying. Not a bad thing but if you’re into bikes (tri) and nice things (mercedes), one might have a nicer heavy load bike

          wes wrote on June 11th, 2011
  14. Is this real life story for real? Maybe it is sincere and just a little over the top (in which case my apologies for doubting), but I can’t help but wonder if it is meant as satire…

    heather wrote on June 10th, 2011
    • That’s exactly what I thought. This story would make sense as April’s fools.

      Ultimately, what we are doing is supposed to improve the quality of our lives. Fretting all day long about how to best achieve this leads to a miserable life. You have to look at the bottom line. You might have gained some years (which is actually doubtful, psychology plays a role as well, after all), but at what cost?

      Eating only 100% foods from your own garden and drinking only water from your own well? Not that there’s anything wrong with that in itself, but again, if the motivation for doing so comes from an obsession (rather than genuine joy of farming), this seems too extreme.

      Eating nothing but beef fat all day? This story really seems like a satire trying to make fun of the primal lifestyle.

      Martin wrote on June 10th, 2011
      • Totally agree! I love reading these stories on Fridays and often forward them to the people I coach on nutrition. But this story does sound like a satire with all that business about eating only beef fat all day and eating and drinking 100% from your own well and garden. Eating nothing but beef fat isn’t even primal or what Mark teaches. Mark encourages veggies and protein. I thought Brett looked ill in the second photo. I wonder if Mark and his team fact-check to make sure people who submit stories are for real? I’d love to know, Mark!

        Kathy wrote on June 10th, 2011
        • LOL – without a doubt. It just sounds completely obsessive and not to be encouraged.
          If not the obsession with “perfection” then some other obsession.

          Frederica Bimble wrote on June 10th, 2011
        • Please allow me to contribute here, so as no one is even remotely mislead, of total daily calories, beef or other animal fats comprise approximately 60% of our daily total. Fat comprises our primary fuel. The significant point is that fueling on carbs is health destructive, while fueling on high quality fat is health developmental. Thank you Mark, for clarifying this high profile nutrition matter!

          Brett wrote on June 10th, 2011
    • High five…

      gman wrote on June 10th, 2011
  15. Training for and competing in marathons is brutal and does deserve the label ‘chronic cardio’ and yes it will make you unhealthy sooner or later. It’s great, guys, that you quit it. I did so myself a few years ago and never look back.

    But competing in marathons is not exactly the same as endurance running. Once a week I go to the woods and run for 3-4 hours (I also do sprints once or twice a week). Would you call it ‘chronic cardio’? You would be wrong – before each such run I eat only fat (coconut oil), stay below/around 70% HRmax, and my glycogen stores remain mostly untouched. That’s what endurance running by humans should look like and that’s how our ancestors hunted (no, we were never able to outsprint our prey). There’s a great book by Stu Mittleman who advocates this kind of running combined with low-carbs, high-fat and protein diet. Yes, you can eat low carb and excel at distance running, just do it smart. There’s another great book by Bernd Heinrich on the evolutionary sense of endurance running.

    Tomasz wrote on June 10th, 2011
    • Tomasz,

      Your weekly endurance run, which you fuel on coconut oil, are a monumental achievement, that Beth and I have only recently arrived at. It took us a great deal of time and struggle to overcome the dependency on carbohydrate fueling.
      For us the initial transition to fueling on fat seemed to involve a lot of acid related pain and discomfort in the muscles. Initially we made the error of trying to maintain regular endurance running fueled on fat, well before we had achieved the biological adjustment to comfortably fueling on fat rather than carbohydrates.
      Perhaps a bit similar to you, we are now engaging a few longer runs, but infrequently and at a less than competitive rate.

      Brett wrote on June 11th, 2011
  16. Okay, after rereading this, there is no way this is a serious story, although I don’t know who is kidding whom. Beef fat as their only fuel source and custom processing of already naturally purified deep well water as the only beverage?

    heather wrote on June 10th, 2011
    • which also means, you can’t have a social life outside your own estate. Unless your bring your own beef and water to vacations/parties etc..

      Martin wrote on June 10th, 2011
  17. Mark,

    You deserve every one of the adjectives.

    I too am troubled by the photos. I would love to look like the first one. The second one looks like the zombies I see at running events.

    Harry wrote on June 10th, 2011
  18. Congrats Beth and Brett and thank you for sharing!
    I cannot help but note that (as you were before on your endurance training) you are a 100% focused, this is great, but why do you need to take absolutely all your fuel from beef fat? Isn’t it a bit too much?
    Not sure Mark would recommend that: balance and diversity in the source of fat seems to make sense to me? Mark, Would you cook only with beef fat ? Beyond the survival of tastebuds, is there no reason to keep coconut oil, butter or olive oil in the mix?

    Anais wrote on June 10th, 2011
    • I think it’s an obsession about body image rather than an obsession about health.
      The ‘love handles’ (which I don’t see anywhere in the “before” photo) seems to be the focus of this entire story.
      They found the cheats to finally get rid of the 1 thing that’s plagued them their entire life. Basically, they’ve switched from carbs to fats as a source of fuel…but continue the chronic cardio it seems.

      Arty wrote on June 10th, 2011
      • That was my thought exactly when I read the story.

        Gorm wrote on June 10th, 2011
  19. My entire family is addicted to chronic cardio and it is so frustrating. I just try to tune it out and not worry, but sometimes I just get angry that they are so stubborn and won’t change their lives for the better.

    Rhys wrote on June 10th, 2011
  20. This guy looks FAR healthier in his before photo than his after photo. Anyone who looks at the before photo and thinks “there’s a 55 year old who needs to lose weight/inches from his waist” is crazy. I think this is the story of what a lifetime of food obsession/anorexia will do to you.

    JD wrote on June 10th, 2011
    • +1

      Harry wrote on June 10th, 2011
  21. I don’g believe it. Mark, you sure? Beef fat as only source of fuel????

    ObligateCarnivore wrote on June 10th, 2011
  22. Brett, how did you achieve those legs? Awesome! Was it only high reps of bodyweight and sprint cycling? Or have you been using weighted exercises?

    Lee wrote on June 10th, 2011
    • I did regular intense strength weight training for 30 years, i.e. full squat sets of 3 to 6 reps with 400 lbs +. Remarkably, I do not think those years of heavy training yield any measurable benefits today. I now train one muscle group once a week with modest intensity, mostly in accordance with PB theory.

      Brett wrote on June 10th, 2011
  23. I call shenanigans.

    Shaun wrote on June 10th, 2011
  24. People commenting here might want to step back a moment and see this story for what it is. From what I read, it’s about a couple that take their health VERY seriously. (I can relate.) A couple that desperately want to do the right the thing. A couple that will go to extreme measures to achieve optimum health and wellness. And it’s a type of couple (and a personality type) that I hope the Primal Blueprint messages reaches. Part of the PB message is that wellness doesn’t require overworking your body and extreme behaviors. That rest, play, down time, stress management, low-level aerobic activity and other behaviors are key to longevity and happiness. I think Brett and Beth are beginning to realize these things, and will be better off for it in the long run. Many thanks to Brett for taking the time to share with us his personal account. His story isn’t about weight loss, and may not read like other success stories published on this site, but that’s what makes it a real life story. It isn’t cookie cutter. It’s a personal, unique experience, and hopefully one that those that read it can take something from even if they don’t identify with it directly. Grok on.

    Mark Sisson wrote on June 10th, 2011
    • It is certainly unique, Mark. But is it true?

      Tim wrote on June 10th, 2011
    • Ok, I can see this point, that “the message” needs to reach such ultra-obsessed people as much as it does the couch potatoes.

      cTo wrote on June 10th, 2011
    • sorry. still don’t buy it.

      i get what you’re implying. one can look great from the outside and feel like dying on the inside. i get it.

      but this guy *still* seems to be confused about his body image.

      this smacks of an ED.

      hmm... wrote on June 10th, 2011
      • …or some kind of continuing orthorexia.

        hmm... wrote on June 10th, 2011
        • +1 to the orthorexia

          morgan wrote on June 10th, 2011
      • My before body image may not be disparaging on general American standards but the point we were aiming to convey is that this perception is a hoax, just as is much of the popular perception of what underscores genuine health and fitness.
        The western cultural influence as it pertains to health and fitness misconception is powerful. I’ve resided most of my life in China, where subscription to intense endurance exercise is culturally viewed as foolish and harmful, yet having emanated from the west and its culture it still took me much of my life to grasp reality, and I probably would continue to languor in misconception if not for the work of Mark Sisson.

        Brett wrote on June 10th, 2011
    • Mark, I find this information absolutely invaluable to the amount of people I come into contact who are cardio addicts, endlessly working day after day mile after mile for what they think is good for them. This article proves yes you can have an amazing looking body doing this type of workout regime over and over and over, but still not be healthy!!! For Brett to say they became Pre-diabetic is testimony to the high carb low fat lifestyle!!! Primal/Paleo will reverse that…I am proof!! I will be submitting my own success story by this time next year!! I have been following the Primal Blueprint and Paleo lifestyle for 43 days now and the results I’ve achieved in that time frame are staggering, and I’m someone who needs to lose weight! For those who appear healthy as Brett & Beth and for them to provide this kind of feedback is awe-inspiring to me!!! Thank you for posting their story!! I will be reposting for my facebook fans to show them that anyone at any fitness level can achieve greatness following this lifestyle!!


      Tim wrote on June 10th, 2011
    • I have to agree with the others who are questioning this post. Something just doesn’t seem…right.

      Grokette wrote on June 10th, 2011
      • I had a good deal of back and forth with Brett via email and while anything is possible I got the impression from our correspondence that he was sincere and his story was genuine. To the extent that I am able, I attempt to verify the legitimacy of each success story submission, but of course, some level of trust comes into play. I’ve contacted Brett and hope he’ll chime in here on the comment board to clarify any questions you may have. And if he does I hope and expect he’ll be greeted with support rather than cynicism.

        Mark Sisson wrote on June 10th, 2011
        • Let him know I want another picture with a SMILE :-)

          Annika wrote on June 10th, 2011
    • “Part of the PB message is that wellness doesn’t require overworking your body and extreme behaviors.”

      Eating nothing but beef fat and water is not an extreme behavior?

      Sorry Mark, but this article completely brought me down today for some reason. From reading the comments, it is apparent that the “appeal” for this before/after story is very limited. Your hope that it gets the message to “this type of couple” is the best you can hope for with this one. My read on it is that the vast majority of your readers were very turned off by it. Not to say it shouldn’t have been published, but I don’t see it helping the cause. Had I stumbled on this page first when I discovered you, I likely would have moved on…quickly. Thankfully, I initially landed on your site while researching a raw diet for my dog, of all things! And that hooked me. (And yes…my sheltie has been “raw” for two weeks, and I’ve been Primal for a week, since finding your terrific resource!)

      Peter wrote on June 10th, 2011
      • As Brett clearly states, he’s only been Primal for a short time and he is clearly in a transition phase.

        If this post wasn’t quite your speed there are numerous other success stories that may speak more personally to you:

        Mark Sisson wrote on June 10th, 2011
      • There has been some very helpful comments provided here regarding the merit of fueling on beef fat – which is an item we are enthused about!

        Some of our readers can readily grasp the merit, but for those that are finding the benefits to be somewhat nebulous, I explain that it is vitally important to qualify “beef fat”. We harvest beef fat from steers that have free ranged exclusively in Arizona’s Sonoran Desert. In relative terms, this provides the healthiest fat source one can find, given that there is virtually none of the common toxins found in most of the commercial food chain, imminent in the desert steers’ standard vegetative fodder. Moreover, the ratio of omega-6 to omega-3 fats in naturally grazed steers is the best of most all fat sources. On our organic farm we raise Peking ducks, and fuel partially on duck fat. Ducks naturally provide up to 50% or more of total animal calories from fat. Yet the quality of duck fat is inferior to that of beef fat.

        For those whom would genuinely scoff at discernment regarding drinking water quality, please be encouraged to seek truth in facts, and perform a few lab tests. You may be impressed by the high levels of arsenic, cadmium and unlimited other toxins in your standard water fare.

        Brett wrote on June 10th, 2011
        • Hi Brett, I know I am enjoying your feedback very much, I hope others are as well. The feedback certainly was somewhat reactionary for the most part, including myself to some degree. Probably better to think and wait before writing, as with most things.

          First of all, I agree with you on drinking water. People blindly drink whatever there municipality tells them is “safe.” I for one live in Park City, UT, where one would think the water would be fresh, clean mountain water. Unfortunately, most of it instead is derived from snowmelt that runs through old mining tunnels…which are toxic waste dumps. The water is treated and then deemed “safe.” YEch.

          I do have a question regarding the beef fat…when you say beef fat, are you referring to “Beef” as in flesh and fat, or are you literally referring to rendered fat only? If only the fat, in what form do you consume it, and where do you get your protein.

          I am glad to hear that so far, a diet with 60% fat is allowing you to get more lean than you even were before. Making that switch to less cardio and carbs and MORE fat is probably the hardest component for many, and definitely me, accept. Having only been ‘primal’ for a week…I have been sticking to 50-60% calories from fat (I am logging everything on, a fantastic resource Mark recommended) and carbs maxing out at 50g, virtually all from vegetables and a bit (maybe a few strawberries or the like). But I have to admit there has been unease on my part about whether such a radical shift in dietary structure would actually help burn more fat. So if in fact it has for you, then that’s reassuring.

          One other question, you mentioned the hours spent training every day until PB…how do you and Beth spend your days now? Just curious.

          Good luck with your continued journey, enjoy the ride.

          Peter wrote on June 10th, 2011
        • Peter,

          Congratulations on your discernment regarding our drinking water supply – unfortunately the blatant reality is that its very difficult to find water in either synthesized or natural forms anywhere in America that is not at least contaminated with arsenic.

          You raise an excellent insightful question about fueling on fat. This must be a major concern for many of us making the PB transition. Probably to proceed with confidence we must really research the valid scientific data as referenced by Mr. Sisson and others. One issue is that you may find very elevated lipid test results subsequent to beginning your fat fueling. I humbly suggest it is critically important to stop with most of the carbohydrates, whereas there seems to be some valid evidence that the relationship between carbs and saturated fat is very ominous toward our general health.

          Our aim with preparing and consuming fat is to do so in as close to natural form as possible. I genuinely believe the best approach nutritionally would be to consume the fat in its natural form raw, yet given a few circumstantial factors here in Arizona, we have not as yet graduated to this measure, although it is being done in traditional cultures in a few areas of the world. At this time we lightly slow cook the fat in a solar glass cooker, and do not render it, but rather consume all of the tissue and liquid combined.

          Unfortunately when you are a sustainable minded or ecological minded person, you may have objections to consuming beef fat, whereas the conversion factor involved in raising beef (approximately 7 or 8 pounds of plant material to produce 1 pound of beef) is not favorable. We also raise Peking ducks, which produce good quality fats, yet the conversion factor to produce 1 pound of duck meat is only 2 pounds of plant food. Significantly, however, the duck fat is more inflammatory and less optimal in micro fat nutrients that is the beef fat.

          Thank you for your interest in our personal lifestyle. Beth and I still contribute at least a couple of hours a day to regimented exercise training of some sort, and very often engage some much longer sessions of low intensity recreational style activities such as biking or hiking, or when overseas, swimming and diving. Here in Arizona at our farm, raising crops for animal feeds, producing organic vegetables in our greenhouses, and raising various animals (goats, rabbits, ducks, steers) can be a full-time occupation, but also a gratifying and rewarding one. Another of my personal hobbies is ongoing education, and I now spend a fair bit of time studying towards the completion of a doctoral degree in sustainable agriculture.

          Unfortunately it entails some expense and resources to live in the particular sustainable manner that Beth and I have chosen to. However, undoubtedly one wishing to transition to PB can also enjoy more conventional or urban versions of the healthier PB lifestyle.

          Best wishes with the progress in your movement to the PB diet scheme.

          Brett wrote on June 11th, 2011
    • Amen to that Mark! Too many haters today… :(

      Robin wrote on June 10th, 2011
    • Oh MAN!! These comments are a hoot! *Way* funnier than the letter, Mark should make this a regular feature, Serio-Comic Funny Friday!!

      I disagree with the hate haters hatin’ the hate. Nothing like a good ol’ Grok style paleo ass kicking to relieve people of their arrogant puffery.

      conrack wrote on June 10th, 2011
  25. Your body clearly evolved into a skinny fragile skeleton by doing life long chronic cardio.

    There was a test done back in the 40’s on 2 (i think german) men, Twins. One was told to do heavy lifting growing up and the other to use cardio. After a few years it clearly showed 2 different body types even though the twin boys started out with the same body frame.

    Congrats on discovering the primal lifestyle :-)

    I need another photo…one with a smile.

    Primal Palate wrote on June 10th, 2011
  26. Huh?

    Dennis wrote on June 10th, 2011
  27. Where’s the beard?

    Johannah wrote on June 10th, 2011
    • LOL!

      Reiko wrote on June 10th, 2011
  28. This article is ridiculous. Using simple words and sentences is always more effective in getting a message across.

    Sam wrote on June 10th, 2011
    • Yes, it reads like a “Personal interests” section in a CV, which makes me suspect that it is fictional.

      People find it easier to mislead, exaggerate and stretch the truth in formal rather than personal writing. This piece is written in a very stilted, formal style and almost entirely in the third-person.

      Tim wrote on June 10th, 2011
    • Yes, I somewhat agree, yet I’ve been more interested in organic gardening (since migrating to USA from China in 2008), than in developing colloquial American literary style – ha!

      Brett wrote on June 10th, 2011
  29. This “story” just does not seem legit to me …

    HankT wrote on June 10th, 2011
    • This story is nonsense. Mr Sisson must have swallowed a thesaurus when copying and pasting the weekly success story this time.

      Sam wrote on June 11th, 2011
  30. Brett, thank you for sharing your story. It’s amazing to see the possibilities for primal living when resources are unlimited. Living on a pristine farm with several hundred pounds of beef in the freezer sounds pretty close to paradise to me. I hope you can share this bounty with your friends and family and improve their lives, as well.

    The praise for Mark is appropriate and well deserved. For some people, Mark may be just a bright star in the paleo constellation, but for me and many others he is something like a savior. Whether he’s helping lifelong cardio addicts recover their health, or teaching lifelong couch potatoes (like me) to free the inner athlete they never knew existed, Mark has an unparalleled gift for opening minds.

    And he does it for free, as a public service. The overall effect of Mark’s efforts is immeasurably positive for the entire modern world, no exaggeration. Today is a good day to reflect on how fortunate we are to have him among us.

    Timothy wrote on June 10th, 2011
    • Well said!

      Dragonfly wrote on June 10th, 2011
      • Amen – much gratitude to Mr Mark Sisson!

        Brett wrote on June 10th, 2011
    • Couldn’t agree more – Mark is the kind of person who makes me glad to be human.

      kerrybonnie wrote on June 10th, 2011
  31. As a newbie to this site, I can say unequivocally that this “reader story,” is off-putting. For Brett and Beth’s sakes, I hope this is someone out to satirize the primal lifestyle.

    Queno wrote on June 10th, 2011
  32. I agree with the other posters — “Beef fat is our soul [sic]source of fuel” ?? Really??? You realize that sentence means that this is ALL you eat?

    Anne wrote on June 10th, 2011
  33. Give me a break..this is really a guy who is in his 50s??????

    Opies wrote on June 10th, 2011
    • The second photo, yes. The first, no way.

      Harry wrote on June 10th, 2011
    • This guy could most definitely be in his 50’s in both pix. Where in his fifties – 51 or 59?- is a legitimate question, but good grief, people, 50’s just is NOT that old.

      PrimalGrandma wrote on June 10th, 2011
      • Absolutely! I turned 50 this year, and I’m convinced that 50 is the new 30….And that’s my story and I’m stickin’ to it!

        Peg wrote on June 10th, 2011
        • I’m almost 67 and DH just turned 80 – we could both run circles around most of the people in this forum. Well—DH could for sure…..

          PrimalGrandma wrote on June 10th, 2011
  34. The phrase “fueling exclusively on fat” makes it sound like they eat nothing but beef fat. I think he is just saying that they run on that instead of high carbs, not that it is all they eat. Take this sentence: “For example, we presently live on our own sustainable organic farm, where we produce 100% of our own food requirements under exacting plant and animal raising protocols.” Note the word “plant.”

    Harry wrote on June 10th, 2011
  35. Organic beef farm in the arizona desert? 100 mile recreational rides and you’ve quit chronic cardo? Yea, calling BS on this one. It’s just weird.

    John wrote on June 10th, 2011
    • Additionally, if you download the photos and look at the metadata (Right-click > Properties > Summary > Advanced), it looks like both photos are from 2008?

      What’s going on here, Mark?

      John wrote on June 10th, 2011
      • The photo extension doesn’t say 2008. MDA2008 refers to the folder these photos are stored in on and has nothing to do what he titled the photos. In fact, he titled them:



        Mark Sisson wrote on June 10th, 2011
        • He named the photo “strugglingwith excessbodyfatanddecliningfitness”? The before photo?

          That tells it all. This person has some serious body image issues, unfortunately. I am sad for him.

          Peter wrote on June 10th, 2011
        • In that case, perhaps some words of encouragement?

          Mark Sisson wrote on June 10th, 2011
        • Peter,

          The before photo does not illustrate the health hazardous (visceral) fat that I referred to in titling the photo “struggling with excess body fat”. The main intended point of the photo was to convey that the western stereo image of what constitutes genuine health/fitness, cab be, and often is, specious.

          Brett wrote on June 11th, 2011
    • I live in the Donoran desert, and I can tell you for a fact that there are several companies that raise free range cattle. A lot of cattle is “brush fed.” we buy it at the local farmer’s market.

      Erin wrote on June 10th, 2011
      • Ummm…Sonoran. Not used to the iPad typing yet :)

        Erin wrote on June 10th, 2011
  36. I agree. This is most definitely a joke.

    By ‘transformation’ the man in the picture goes from ripped to emaciated.

    A 100% beef fat diet… right!
    I think I’m going to dedicate my life to a ‘false and harmful prophecy’ now, sounds like fun!

    Andy wrote on June 10th, 2011
    • Hey, at least now we know how to get super skinny? LOL

      Eat more fat people!

      Annika wrote on June 10th, 2011
  37. “our daily regimen consisted of 6 to 8 hours of training” not even pro’s without jobs train that much. I say BS.

    Jen wrote on June 10th, 2011
    • I can see six hours being possible. During the summer after my junior year of high school, I spent six hours a day in physical activity. Two hours lifting, one hour doing cardio (exercycle, stairmaster, rowing machine, etc.), and three hours playing some sort of sport (raquetball, volleyball, swimming). Rinse, wash, repeat for a summer of fun.

      Amateur w/o a job wrote on June 10th, 2011
    • However, Chinese middle school students (in China) will spend each day of their summer break studying at home, for basically the entire day. The culture of dedication and repetition is much different than the states. For someone who spent most his life in China, the story makes a lot more sense. The writing style does too.

      April wrote on June 11th, 2011
  38. I hate to say it but I also think this is BS. The whole story seems off to me, sorry Mark but I really think you got this one wrong.

    Fern wrote on June 10th, 2011
  39. This particular story seemed at bit less than credible to me. Brett seems to have gone from extreme to extreme. I don’t think what he describes in terms of diet really corresponds to much of what I have learned on the Primal Blueprint either. With all due respect, was this “success” story fact checked at all? And since we saaw two pics of Brett, I would be curious to see a picture of his partner Beth. I am curious to see her success story as well.

    tootsie wrote on June 10th, 2011
  40. None of this takes away from the fact that the description of Mark is 100% accurate.

    Harry wrote on June 10th, 2011
    • Not to mention Mark looks great, healthy, vibrant in his pics…and obviously from his writings, enjoys life immensely.

      The pics of Brett, esp the second one, don’t look that great to me, compared to Mark. And his writing does not indicate any joy/fun/pleasure in his life…only a scientific obsession with getting to 0% body fat.

      Peter wrote on June 10th, 2011

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