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		<title>By: Curb Your Appetite with a High Fat Diet &#124; Mark's Daily Apple</title>
		<link>http://www.marksdailyapple.com/protein-satiety/#comment-384151</link>
		<dc:creator>Curb Your Appetite with a High Fat Diet &#124; Mark's Daily Apple</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 20:26:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] already knew how protein worked to satisfy the appetite. Proteins are digested much more slowly than carbohydrates; theirs is a steady breakdown into [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Mark&#8217;s Daily Apple &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Top 10 Meat Hacks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark&#8217;s Daily Apple &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Top 10 Meat Hacks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 16:45:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Mark&#8217;s Daily Apple &#187; Blog Archive</title>
		<link>http://www.marksdailyapple.com/protein-satiety/#comment-27950</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark&#8217;s Daily Apple &#187; Blog Archive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 23:11:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Pass the Protein, Please! - Jan. 17 [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Ryan Denner</title>
		<link>http://www.marksdailyapple.com/protein-satiety/#comment-26818</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan Denner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 20:23:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The majority of the weight that was lost was predominately fat, and not muscle.  This diet change was performed during my triathlon off season (3 months), and since starting back up, I have been doing 2 strength training (ie. weights) workouts/week.

Brian, I agree with you on that (provided it wasn&#039;t a sarcastic comment), but my point is that this is just another study showing that one particular diet (or thought process) works.  My perspective is that it works for some people - and not all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The majority of the weight that was lost was predominately fat, and not muscle.  This diet change was performed during my triathlon off season (3 months), and since starting back up, I have been doing 2 strength training (ie. weights) workouts/week.</p>
<p>Brian, I agree with you on that (provided it wasn&#8217;t a sarcastic comment), but my point is that this is just another study showing that one particular diet (or thought process) works.  My perspective is that it works for some people &#8211; and not all.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian A</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 16:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s forgotten in this discussion is that anything that happened more than a couple thousand years ago is simply a guess.  It cannot be proven by anything more convincing than the evidence against OJ.

Instead of paying attention to my evolutionary chimpanzee genes, I read things, try things, make decisions from hand to mouth, and see what happens.  This works, that doesn&#039;t, and I try something else.  Unfortunately for all the arguments here, the caveman thing doesn&#039;t work for my mind and emotions which are a real part of my being; it&#039;s part of being human as opposed to simply a primate.  The other unfortunate part of thinking meat-eating is necessary rather than simply a choice is that I don&#039;t eat meat and I am perfectly healthy and experience all of the same benefits that you folks claim.  

Please, would some &#039;expert&#039; here explain how I am able to achieve these results without doing things your way?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s forgotten in this discussion is that anything that happened more than a couple thousand years ago is simply a guess.  It cannot be proven by anything more convincing than the evidence against OJ.</p>
<p>Instead of paying attention to my evolutionary chimpanzee genes, I read things, try things, make decisions from hand to mouth, and see what happens.  This works, that doesn&#8217;t, and I try something else.  Unfortunately for all the arguments here, the caveman thing doesn&#8217;t work for my mind and emotions which are a real part of my being; it&#8217;s part of being human as opposed to simply a primate.  The other unfortunate part of thinking meat-eating is necessary rather than simply a choice is that I don&#8217;t eat meat and I am perfectly healthy and experience all of the same benefits that you folks claim.  </p>
<p>Please, would some &#8216;expert&#8217; here explain how I am able to achieve these results without doing things your way?</p>
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		<title>By: Migraineur</title>
		<link>http://www.marksdailyapple.com/protein-satiety/#comment-24806</link>
		<dc:creator>Migraineur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 15:37:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jane, I mostly agree with you, but I question your numbers of pounds of vegetables versus meat.  How many daily pounds of vegetables would someone eat in the Pleistocene winter?  How could you find that many pounds of edible plants under snow cover?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jane, I mostly agree with you, but I question your numbers of pounds of vegetables versus meat.  How many daily pounds of vegetables would someone eat in the Pleistocene winter?  How could you find that many pounds of edible plants under snow cover?</p>
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		<title>By: Jane</title>
		<link>http://www.marksdailyapple.com/protein-satiety/#comment-24759</link>
		<dc:creator>Jane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 08:09:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is the source of the problem: We are creatures of the Pleistocene [a prehistorical era] who have developed Holocene [the historical era] habits.


The best diet for either health or weight loss consists of eating the Pleistocene kinds of food our ancestors ate, which are natural for us to eat. It is a low carbohydrate (but not no carbohydrate) diet).


They ate, possibly, several pounds of vegetables and fruits daily and, when it was available, perhaps a pound flesh foods (including internal organs and marrow from long bones). 


It was a diet that consisted of fats, proteins, and natural (unrefined, unprocessed) carbohydrates. Our Pleistocene ancestors ate very little or no salt. 


Instead of products full of sugar and flour, they ate no processed carbohydrates. They had no chocolate and no beer, wine, or spirits. They ate no cereal grains. They consumed no dairy products. 


Our ancestors ate this type of diet from about two-and-one-half million years ago until the Agricultural Revolution about ten thousand years ago. 


It was a very successful way of eating; had it been otherwise we would not have survived as a species.


Though it&#039;s a much greater span of time than most of us think about in our daily lives, it&#039;s important to think about our ancestors as they lived over 10,000 years ago. 


Why? 


In terms of the evolution of our genes, it&#039;s not that long ago. In fact, less than 1/10th of 1% of our genes have changed in the last 10,000 years! In other words, your body is extremely similar to the bodies of your ancestors. 


Our ancestors evolved to get most of their calories from fats, not from carbohydrates. 
They had a wholly natural diet. 


As a result, our bodies are: well equipped to consume fats and proteins but poorly equipped to consume carbohydrates.


Moreover, they certainly had the best weight loss diet in the sense that being overweight or obese was never a problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is the source of the problem: We are creatures of the Pleistocene [a prehistorical era] who have developed Holocene [the historical era] habits.</p>
<p>The best diet for either health or weight loss consists of eating the Pleistocene kinds of food our ancestors ate, which are natural for us to eat. It is a low carbohydrate (but not no carbohydrate) diet).</p>
<p>They ate, possibly, several pounds of vegetables and fruits daily and, when it was available, perhaps a pound flesh foods (including internal organs and marrow from long bones). </p>
<p>It was a diet that consisted of fats, proteins, and natural (unrefined, unprocessed) carbohydrates. Our Pleistocene ancestors ate very little or no salt. </p>
<p>Instead of products full of sugar and flour, they ate no processed carbohydrates. They had no chocolate and no beer, wine, or spirits. They ate no cereal grains. They consumed no dairy products. </p>
<p>Our ancestors ate this type of diet from about two-and-one-half million years ago until the Agricultural Revolution about ten thousand years ago. </p>
<p>It was a very successful way of eating; had it been otherwise we would not have survived as a species.</p>
<p>Though it&#8217;s a much greater span of time than most of us think about in our daily lives, it&#8217;s important to think about our ancestors as they lived over 10,000 years ago. </p>
<p>Why? </p>
<p>In terms of the evolution of our genes, it&#8217;s not that long ago. In fact, less than 1/10th of 1% of our genes have changed in the last 10,000 years! In other words, your body is extremely similar to the bodies of your ancestors. </p>
<p>Our ancestors evolved to get most of their calories from fats, not from carbohydrates.<br />
They had a wholly natural diet. </p>
<p>As a result, our bodies are: well equipped to consume fats and proteins but poorly equipped to consume carbohydrates.</p>
<p>Moreover, they certainly had the best weight loss diet in the sense that being overweight or obese was never a problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Migraineur</title>
		<link>http://www.marksdailyapple.com/protein-satiety/#comment-23921</link>
		<dc:creator>Migraineur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 19:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bryan, we low-carbers are a bit defensive sometimes because we are so used to being told we are killing ourselves by following our diets.  I know how annoying that is, and I apologize if I&#039;ve done the same to you.

I had an aha moment reading Gary Taubes&#039; article in the NYT magazine 5 1/2 years ago, in which I recognized myself and my symptoms.  I don&#039;t completely dismiss cognition.  I just mean that my body, with its shakes and cold sweats and severe hunger pangs, was telling me something.  If I&#039;d listened to it, instead of to what my brain had been reading all those years, I wouldn&#039;t have been in the position I was in in July 2002 - on the fast track to diabetes.  Ironically, though, if I had ignored most of what I&#039;d read in the papers for the prior decade, I would&#039;ve been much better off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bryan, we low-carbers are a bit defensive sometimes because we are so used to being told we are killing ourselves by following our diets.  I know how annoying that is, and I apologize if I&#8217;ve done the same to you.</p>
<p>I had an aha moment reading Gary Taubes&#8217; article in the NYT magazine 5 1/2 years ago, in which I recognized myself and my symptoms.  I don&#8217;t completely dismiss cognition.  I just mean that my body, with its shakes and cold sweats and severe hunger pangs, was telling me something.  If I&#8217;d listened to it, instead of to what my brain had been reading all those years, I wouldn&#8217;t have been in the position I was in in July 2002 &#8211; on the fast track to diabetes.  Ironically, though, if I had ignored most of what I&#8217;d read in the papers for the prior decade, I would&#8217;ve been much better off.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian A</title>
		<link>http://www.marksdailyapple.com/protein-satiety/#comment-23915</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 18:41:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right; mis-informed psychology can never work.  I also meant being correctly knowledgeable when I preceeded my comments with &#039;Eating properly&#039;.  How many years did it take you to cognitively realize that what you were doing wasn&#039;t working or wasn&#039;t good for you?

Even though it is claimed that humans must be meat-eaters, I have not eaten meat in 18-months and have apparently violated all evolutionary pangs by never having a biological craving for it.  I have lost much fat, gained muscle mass, and overall feel much better than I did before.  I have changed nothing else about what I eat because I always ate a lot of fruits and vegetables and whole food sources of carbs.  I simply replaced some of those vegies with higher protein sources.  I also go through about a liter of EVOO every couple weeks, paying no attention to how much fat, protein, or carbs make up my diet; eating more if I&#039;ve lost muscle mass; eating less when I want to lose fat.  None of this is &#039;naturally&#039; known by my body, but learned through years of reading and experimenting with myself.

Basically, what I mean to say is that there are many paths to follow and when you find one that works for you, go for it.  But don&#039;t sit around claiming that every other human should follow your path or they are wrong, even if it&#039;s working for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right; mis-informed psychology can never work.  I also meant being correctly knowledgeable when I preceeded my comments with &#8216;Eating properly&#8217;.  How many years did it take you to cognitively realize that what you were doing wasn&#8217;t working or wasn&#8217;t good for you?</p>
<p>Even though it is claimed that humans must be meat-eaters, I have not eaten meat in 18-months and have apparently violated all evolutionary pangs by never having a biological craving for it.  I have lost much fat, gained muscle mass, and overall feel much better than I did before.  I have changed nothing else about what I eat because I always ate a lot of fruits and vegetables and whole food sources of carbs.  I simply replaced some of those vegies with higher protein sources.  I also go through about a liter of EVOO every couple weeks, paying no attention to how much fat, protein, or carbs make up my diet; eating more if I&#8217;ve lost muscle mass; eating less when I want to lose fat.  None of this is &#8216;naturally&#8217; known by my body, but learned through years of reading and experimenting with myself.</p>
<p>Basically, what I mean to say is that there are many paths to follow and when you find one that works for you, go for it.  But don&#8217;t sit around claiming that every other human should follow your path or they are wrong, even if it&#8217;s working for them.</p>
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		<title>By: Migraineur</title>
		<link>http://www.marksdailyapple.com/protein-satiety/#comment-23911</link>
		<dc:creator>Migraineur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 18:18:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, my mind can read Jane Brody&#039;s column in the New York Times and decide to eat a low-fat high-carbohydrate, calorie-controlled diet (which is what my mind did for many years).  But because that diet fails to meet my body&#039;s daily protein needs and because it causes insulin to spike and blood sugar to plummet, my body is going to continue to cry for further nourishment, leading me to want to eat more.  If my mind continues to decide that low-fat, calorie-controlled diets are a good thing, I can refuse to eat more.  But I can only do that for so long before I begin to incur hunger pangs or get the low-blood sugar shakes.  Ever get the low-blood sugar shakes, Brian?  That&#039;s your body telling your mind that your mind doesn&#039;t know what&#039;s best, and if you&#039;ve ever experienced them, you know that your need to eat something, anything, whatever is at hand is so intense that it is almost as if your hand leaps out and grabs the food without thinking.  You can&#039;t get around the body&#039;s demands for nourishment by thinking them away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, my mind can read Jane Brody&#8217;s column in the New York Times and decide to eat a low-fat high-carbohydrate, calorie-controlled diet (which is what my mind did for many years).  But because that diet fails to meet my body&#8217;s daily protein needs and because it causes insulin to spike and blood sugar to plummet, my body is going to continue to cry for further nourishment, leading me to want to eat more.  If my mind continues to decide that low-fat, calorie-controlled diets are a good thing, I can refuse to eat more.  But I can only do that for so long before I begin to incur hunger pangs or get the low-blood sugar shakes.  Ever get the low-blood sugar shakes, Brian?  That&#8217;s your body telling your mind that your mind doesn&#8217;t know what&#8217;s best, and if you&#8217;ve ever experienced them, you know that your need to eat something, anything, whatever is at hand is so intense that it is almost as if your hand leaps out and grabs the food without thinking.  You can&#8217;t get around the body&#8217;s demands for nourishment by thinking them away.</p>
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