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		<title>By: Scallops and Bacon &#124; Mark's Daily Apple</title>
		<link>http://www.marksdailyapple.com/processed-soy-products/#comment-408849</link>
		<dc:creator>Scallops and Bacon &#124; Mark's Daily Apple</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 15:09:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] buying the real thing. Taste, for example. There’s no taste comparison whatsoever between soy sausage and the real stuff, and really I can&#8217;t see how “quorn” quite cuts it for [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] buying the real thing. Taste, for example. There’s no taste comparison whatsoever between soy sausage and the real stuff, and really I can&#8217;t see how “quorn” quite cuts it for [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Veronica</title>
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		<dc:creator>Veronica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 20:37:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,

Check out the Soy Alert on the Weston A Price Website and pass it on: 

http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/index.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>Check out the Soy Alert on the Weston A Price Website and pass it on: </p>
<p><a href="http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/index.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: SJS</title>
		<link>http://www.marksdailyapple.com/processed-soy-products/#comment-43642</link>
		<dc:creator>SJS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 03:22:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi....a few point that may provide interesting fodder for discussion.....

What is happening is that nearly all processed foods contain stuff that simply can not be handled by our bodies.

More and more research is coming out illustrating how the heme in red meat can reduce the turnover of mucous membrane cells in the colon, thereby making it more susceptible to insults from substances like heterocyclic amines.  Chlorophyll has the opposite effect (search in the proceedings of the national academy of sciences for multiple references).

Any research on the efficacy of an Indian vegetarian diet out there?  My friend&#039;s family eats whole wheat unleavened bread with curried greens and finishes off with curried toor daal with spinach and brown rice.  Sounds like a pretty well rounded meal to me.  

Plus, research is showing protective benefits of curry (specifically curcumin found in turmeric on cancer, alzheimers, and generalized inflammation.  Not to mention it tastes damn good too....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi&#8230;.a few point that may provide interesting fodder for discussion&#8230;..</p>
<p>What is happening is that nearly all processed foods contain stuff that simply can not be handled by our bodies.</p>
<p>More and more research is coming out illustrating how the heme in red meat can reduce the turnover of mucous membrane cells in the colon, thereby making it more susceptible to insults from substances like heterocyclic amines.  Chlorophyll has the opposite effect (search in the proceedings of the national academy of sciences for multiple references).</p>
<p>Any research on the efficacy of an Indian vegetarian diet out there?  My friend&#8217;s family eats whole wheat unleavened bread with curried greens and finishes off with curried toor daal with spinach and brown rice.  Sounds like a pretty well rounded meal to me.  </p>
<p>Plus, research is showing protective benefits of curry (specifically curcumin found in turmeric on cancer, alzheimers, and generalized inflammation.  Not to mention it tastes damn good too&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Kustes</title>
		<link>http://www.marksdailyapple.com/processed-soy-products/#comment-35202</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Kustes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 13:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To further the point about the differences between consumption here and consumption amongst Chinese and Japanese, T. Colin Campbell found that typical daily soy consumption amongst Asians was about 9 grams....2 teaspoons.  Yes, that&#039;s the &quot;staple of the Chinese diet&quot; that so many vegetarians like to roll out.  I wrote a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.modernforager.com/blog/2007/11/16/ditch-the-soy/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;post on soy&lt;/a&gt; last November and discussed some of the other issues, like goitrogens, protease inhibitors, and heavy metal contamination.  Plain and simple, soy is to be avoided unless it&#039;s fermented.  

Migraineur, the health of the animal and the farm that raises it also has an effect on the environment.  Contamination of the water and land from these CAFOs is rampant.

Cheers
Scott Kustes
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.modernforager.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Modern Forager&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To further the point about the differences between consumption here and consumption amongst Chinese and Japanese, T. Colin Campbell found that typical daily soy consumption amongst Asians was about 9 grams&#8230;.2 teaspoons.  Yes, that&#8217;s the &#8220;staple of the Chinese diet&#8221; that so many vegetarians like to roll out.  I wrote a <a href="http://www.modernforager.com/blog/2007/11/16/ditch-the-soy/" rel="nofollow">post on soy</a> last November and discussed some of the other issues, like goitrogens, protease inhibitors, and heavy metal contamination.  Plain and simple, soy is to be avoided unless it&#8217;s fermented.  </p>
<p>Migraineur, the health of the animal and the farm that raises it also has an effect on the environment.  Contamination of the water and land from these CAFOs is rampant.</p>
<p>Cheers<br />
Scott Kustes<br />
<a href="http://www.modernforager.com" rel="nofollow">Modern Forager</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sasquatch</title>
		<link>http://www.marksdailyapple.com/processed-soy-products/#comment-35124</link>
		<dc:creator>Sasquatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 22:59:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charlotte,

  I&#039;m thrilled you read &quot;Nutrition and Physical Degeneration&quot;!  

I haven&#039;t talked about my switch from vegetarianism on my site.  Maybe I will someday.  I have a lot of respect for vegetarians, and I still try to be thoughtful about the ethics of my food choices.  

I had stopped eating meat because I was disgusted by confinement-raised meat.  It&#039;s hard not to be when you learn what&#039;s going on.  I will not eat conventional meats to this day.  I also wanted to reduce my environmental impact.  But after reading &quot;Nutrition and Physical Degeneration&quot; and getting acquainted with the local farmer&#039;s market, I decided well-raised meat is good for my health, humane and OK for the environment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charlotte,</p>
<p>  I&#8217;m thrilled you read &#8220;Nutrition and Physical Degeneration&#8221;!  </p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t talked about my switch from vegetarianism on my site.  Maybe I will someday.  I have a lot of respect for vegetarians, and I still try to be thoughtful about the ethics of my food choices.  </p>
<p>I had stopped eating meat because I was disgusted by confinement-raised meat.  It&#8217;s hard not to be when you learn what&#8217;s going on.  I will not eat conventional meats to this day.  I also wanted to reduce my environmental impact.  But after reading &#8220;Nutrition and Physical Degeneration&#8221; and getting acquainted with the local farmer&#8217;s market, I decided well-raised meat is good for my health, humane and OK for the environment.</p>
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		<title>By: Migraineur</title>
		<link>http://www.marksdailyapple.com/processed-soy-products/#comment-35081</link>
		<dc:creator>Migraineur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 18:23:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Charlotte - aw, shucks - I don&#039;t think the things you refer to as &quot;my insights&quot; are my original thoughts, just things I pick up from reading voraciously (and spending too much time online, heh).

To answer your question:  I bought a blood glucose monitor a while ago in response to my doctor&#039;s refusal to order a glucose tolerance test because my fasting levels are normal.  I&#039;ve read a lot of stuff that indicates that, by the time your fasting levels are out of whack, your post-meal levels have probably been too high for so long that permanent damage has been done.

So what I did with the steel cut oats was to stick a finger every 15 minutes (well, you know, I have ten of the things, after all) and watch my BG for a few hours.  I plan to write a blog entry about this some day, but I want to do the test on some other foods, and maybe even on pure glucose.  But I don&#039;t want to do this kind of test too often, because I don&#039;t want to subject my system to that kind of torture too often.  It was not fun.  I was hungry all morning (staring with about an hour after eating), developed a nasty headache, and ended the experiment when I got the shakes.

@ John Kim - I agree with you about meat - my favorite place for a cow is on my plate.  But I think that it&#039;s a bit short-sighted to call that the end of the argument.  The way an animal is raised - confinement, antibiotics, hormones, poor manure control, inappropriate diet - determines the health of the animal and the health of the person that eats it.  There&#039;s something wrong with a society that turns a blind eye to animal husbandry practices and then expects the government to fix it (how? by dipping cow carcasses in bleach?) when an &lt;i&gt;E. coli&lt;/i&gt; outbreak kills little children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Charlotte &#8211; aw, shucks &#8211; I don&#8217;t think the things you refer to as &#8220;my insights&#8221; are my original thoughts, just things I pick up from reading voraciously (and spending too much time online, heh).</p>
<p>To answer your question:  I bought a blood glucose monitor a while ago in response to my doctor&#8217;s refusal to order a glucose tolerance test because my fasting levels are normal.  I&#8217;ve read a lot of stuff that indicates that, by the time your fasting levels are out of whack, your post-meal levels have probably been too high for so long that permanent damage has been done.</p>
<p>So what I did with the steel cut oats was to stick a finger every 15 minutes (well, you know, I have ten of the things, after all) and watch my BG for a few hours.  I plan to write a blog entry about this some day, but I want to do the test on some other foods, and maybe even on pure glucose.  But I don&#8217;t want to do this kind of test too often, because I don&#8217;t want to subject my system to that kind of torture too often.  It was not fun.  I was hungry all morning (staring with about an hour after eating), developed a nasty headache, and ended the experiment when I got the shakes.</p>
<p>@ John Kim &#8211; I agree with you about meat &#8211; my favorite place for a cow is on my plate.  But I think that it&#8217;s a bit short-sighted to call that the end of the argument.  The way an animal is raised &#8211; confinement, antibiotics, hormones, poor manure control, inappropriate diet &#8211; determines the health of the animal and the health of the person that eats it.  There&#8217;s something wrong with a society that turns a blind eye to animal husbandry practices and then expects the government to fix it (how? by dipping cow carcasses in bleach?) when an <i>E. coli</i> outbreak kills little children.</p>
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		<title>By: Huckleberry</title>
		<link>http://www.marksdailyapple.com/processed-soy-products/#comment-35048</link>
		<dc:creator>Huckleberry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 13:13:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vegetarians, whether you agree with them or not, do tend to make their choices about what they do and don&#039;t eat with a lot of thought.  Because of that, it surprises me that many of them don&#039;t apply the same rigorous level of thinking to processed, fake foods marketed to vegetarians.

I also have moved from being primarily a vegetarian to eating more grass-fed/pastured meats and wild fish, and I feel it&#039;s been a healthy choice.  The whole world of packaged veggie burgers always gave me indigestion anyway, so I&#039;ve never done much of that.  I do eat tempeh, but that&#039;s a traditional, fermented, fairly wholesome food.

By the way, homemade veggie burgers can be delicious, and even fairly nutritious if you make them without any badly processed soy or wheat or corn type processed products.  Think more along the lines of pre-soaked beans, lentils, eggs, ground-up nuts, vegetables, healthy fats, herbs...  

&lt;a href=&quot;http://food.gofrolic.org&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Food Is Love&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vegetarians, whether you agree with them or not, do tend to make their choices about what they do and don&#8217;t eat with a lot of thought.  Because of that, it surprises me that many of them don&#8217;t apply the same rigorous level of thinking to processed, fake foods marketed to vegetarians.</p>
<p>I also have moved from being primarily a vegetarian to eating more grass-fed/pastured meats and wild fish, and I feel it&#8217;s been a healthy choice.  The whole world of packaged veggie burgers always gave me indigestion anyway, so I&#8217;ve never done much of that.  I do eat tempeh, but that&#8217;s a traditional, fermented, fairly wholesome food.</p>
<p>By the way, homemade veggie burgers can be delicious, and even fairly nutritious if you make them without any badly processed soy or wheat or corn type processed products.  Think more along the lines of pre-soaked beans, lentils, eggs, ground-up nuts, vegetables, healthy fats, herbs&#8230;  </p>
<p><a href="http://food.gofrolic.org" rel="nofollow">Food Is Love</a></p>
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		<title>By: MizFit</title>
		<link>http://www.marksdailyapple.com/processed-soy-products/#comment-35030</link>
		<dc:creator>MizFit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 10:23:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Im all about and addicted to the MORNING STAR VEGGIE PATTIES.

love

and my body does crave that and not red meat.

go figure.

M.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Im all about and addicted to the MORNING STAR VEGGIE PATTIES.</p>
<p>love</p>
<p>and my body does crave that and not red meat.</p>
<p>go figure.</p>
<p>M.</p>
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		<title>By: Katie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 05:02:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps I&#039;m one of the few people who actually have cravings for tofu...just mashed up and lightly salted. Yet all of those health indications aside, most meat analogues taste nasty. That&#039;s probably the biggest reason I don&#039;t eat them (except for one veggie burger brand where the ingredients are vegetables).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps I&#8217;m one of the few people who actually have cravings for tofu&#8230;just mashed up and lightly salted. Yet all of those health indications aside, most meat analogues taste nasty. That&#8217;s probably the biggest reason I don&#8217;t eat them (except for one veggie burger brand where the ingredients are vegetables).</p>
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		<title>By: charlotte</title>
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		<dc:creator>charlotte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 02:30:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a vegetarian and I agree with you 100% about these processed-crap soy products.  

@Mike - I workout heavily, including a rigorous weight lifting schedule and have not suffered for my &quot;lack&quot; of protein.  And I&#039;m no skinny-fat either.  I have 16% bodyfat and according to the Rippetoe standards, I am an &quot;advanced&quot; lifter.  I do crossfit &amp; play several sports.  My iron level is fantastic.  Maybe it&#039;s because I&#039;m a girl.  Maybe I&#039;m a freak.  But I think the 1g/lb of bodyweight recommendation is a little over the top.  I was an omnivore for several years and was not nearly as strong as I am now as a vegetarian.  

That said, if you feel like your body needs humanely raised &amp; slaughtered meat to thrive, then you will get no judgment from me.  We each need to do what is best for us.

@Migraineur - you have the most fascinating insights.  (I&#039;m still mulling over your blood glucose experiment you mentioned the other day. How did you measure that?  Did you prick your finger every hour? Just curious).  I agree with your thoughts on slaughtering animals.  I wish everyone were as conscientious as you are.  

@Sasquatch - I&#039;d be interested in hearing more about your switch from vegetarianism to eating some meat.  Do you have more info on your site?  PS&gt; Read the book you recommended to me and it was fascinating.  I think about it every time I brush my kids&#039; teeth.  

@John Kim - Awww, we&#039;re not that kind of site.  Stop with the hating:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a vegetarian and I agree with you 100% about these processed-crap soy products.  </p>
<p>@Mike &#8211; I workout heavily, including a rigorous weight lifting schedule and have not suffered for my &#8220;lack&#8221; of protein.  And I&#8217;m no skinny-fat either.  I have 16% bodyfat and according to the Rippetoe standards, I am an &#8220;advanced&#8221; lifter.  I do crossfit &amp; play several sports.  My iron level is fantastic.  Maybe it&#8217;s because I&#8217;m a girl.  Maybe I&#8217;m a freak.  But I think the 1g/lb of bodyweight recommendation is a little over the top.  I was an omnivore for several years and was not nearly as strong as I am now as a vegetarian.  </p>
<p>That said, if you feel like your body needs humanely raised &amp; slaughtered meat to thrive, then you will get no judgment from me.  We each need to do what is best for us.</p>
<p>@Migraineur &#8211; you have the most fascinating insights.  (I&#8217;m still mulling over your blood glucose experiment you mentioned the other day. How did you measure that?  Did you prick your finger every hour? Just curious).  I agree with your thoughts on slaughtering animals.  I wish everyone were as conscientious as you are.  </p>
<p>@Sasquatch &#8211; I&#8217;d be interested in hearing more about your switch from vegetarianism to eating some meat.  Do you have more info on your site?  PS&gt; Read the book you recommended to me and it was fascinating.  I think about it every time I brush my kids&#8217; teeth.  </p>
<p>@John Kim &#8211; Awww, we&#8217;re not that kind of site.  Stop with the hating:)</p>
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