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		<title>By: Mark&#8217;s Daily Apple &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Urban Areas Becoming Supermarket &#8220;Deserts&#8221;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark&#8217;s Daily Apple &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Urban Areas Becoming Supermarket &#8220;Deserts&#8221;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 15:28:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Mark&#8217;s Daily Apple &#187; Blog Archive &#187; It&#8217;s My Neighbors Fault I&#8217;m Fat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark&#8217;s Daily Apple &#187; Blog Archive &#187; It&#8217;s My Neighbors Fault I&#8217;m Fat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 16:36:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: MELANIE</title>
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		<dc:creator>MELANIE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 17:28:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I DONT THINK THAT IT IS RIGHT TO HAVE HOLE BUNCH OF FOOD AND NOT EVEN THINK ABOUT THE POOR.
I THINK THAT IT IS SELFISH AND YOU DESERVE TO GET FAT</description>
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I THINK THAT IT IS SELFISH AND YOU DESERVE TO GET FAT</p>
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		<title>By: Mark&#8217;s Daily Apple &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Dining-out Danger?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark&#8217;s Daily Apple &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Dining-out Danger?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 17:48:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: markus</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 09:38:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Research since the turn of the century into the condition of Pima Indians demonstrates quite clearly the relationship between poverty and obesity. These people went from a rich hunter gathered semi settled community in harmony with their land: they were typical Indians - slim and active. Since the White man hunted out the region and used up the rivers further upstream, they became impoverished and survived off government stores.... Today, they live principally on flour and sugar. They are poor but fat.. but this carbohydrate induced obesity does not satisfy. Their concomitant hyperinsulinemia ensures, as Taubes demonstrates, that their fat reserves remain locked in. They have to continue eating the junk they get from the government to assuage their carb induced hunger cycles. How the poor are kept poor and infirm....!!!!

Also:

It’s a myth that a low carb high fat diet has to be expensive. The cheapest cuts o f meat in the UK are the healthiest – the fatty cuts and organ meats are dirt cheap because everybody thinks they are unhealthy. Eggs are very affordable and so is cheese and full fat milk. Veggies and fruit are also cheap. Because we need much less bulk on a low carb diet, we need less food overall… Not endless bags of crisps, bumper bottles of coke or biscuits and cakes….

I haven’t totted up the costs, but I bet one could live a supremely fit an healthy low carb lifestyle as cheaply – if not more so, than on the standard obesogenic poverty diet of today’s overweight Westerners.

Us middle classes can pay for unpasteurised milk and organic, outdoor reared produce of course, which is expensive, but the general benefits of cheap animal and plant products far outweigh the marginal benefits of a few extra vitamins and finer quality meat. Anyway, cooking up a good French provencal chicken using cheap meats and butter and cream will still taste dam good whatever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Research since the turn of the century into the condition of Pima Indians demonstrates quite clearly the relationship between poverty and obesity. These people went from a rich hunter gathered semi settled community in harmony with their land: they were typical Indians - slim and active. Since the White man hunted out the region and used up the rivers further upstream, they became impoverished and survived off government stores&#8230;. Today, they live principally on flour and sugar. They are poor but fat.. but this carbohydrate induced obesity does not satisfy. Their concomitant hyperinsulinemia ensures, as Taubes demonstrates, that their fat reserves remain locked in. They have to continue eating the junk they get from the government to assuage their carb induced hunger cycles. How the poor are kept poor and infirm&#8230;.!!!!</p>
<p>Also:</p>
<p>It’s a myth that a low carb high fat diet has to be expensive. The cheapest cuts o f meat in the UK are the healthiest – the fatty cuts and organ meats are dirt cheap because everybody thinks they are unhealthy. Eggs are very affordable and so is cheese and full fat milk. Veggies and fruit are also cheap. Because we need much less bulk on a low carb diet, we need less food overall… Not endless bags of crisps, bumper bottles of coke or biscuits and cakes….</p>
<p>I haven’t totted up the costs, but I bet one could live a supremely fit an healthy low carb lifestyle as cheaply – if not more so, than on the standard obesogenic poverty diet of today’s overweight Westerners.</p>
<p>Us middle classes can pay for unpasteurised milk and organic, outdoor reared produce of course, which is expensive, but the general benefits of cheap animal and plant products far outweigh the marginal benefits of a few extra vitamins and finer quality meat. Anyway, cooking up a good French provencal chicken using cheap meats and butter and cream will still taste dam good whatever.</p>
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		<title>By: Migraineur</title>
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		<dc:creator>Migraineur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2008 22:12:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've been thinking about this a lot, and I have four things to add.

First, it's not universally true that poor people used to be skinny.  Just one example: the Pima Indians, some of the poorest people in America, have had some of the highest obesity rates since they were pushed onto reservations decades ago and forced to live on white flour, sugar, tea, and other cheap foods instead of their traditional diets of game and fish.  This may seem like a minor point, but if we don't recognize that poor people have been fat for a long time (not just recently), we will not get very far in understanding causes.

Second, because of things like farm subsidies, giant agribusinesses, monoculture, and the like, many of the cheapest foods are high-carbohydrate grain products - those that provoke a large insulin response.  Heck, even candy and soda are grain products now, loaded as they are with high-fructose corn syrup.  And as you know, Mark, insulin is the hormone that not only causes fat storage but prevents stored fat from being used.

Third, I just ran across this on Regina Wilshire's excellent blog, Weight of the Evidence.  http://weightoftheevidence.blogspot.com/2007/12/obesity-is-it-form-of-malnutrition.html.  It suggests that obesity might indeed be a variety of malnutrition.  I wrote my thoughts on a comment there, but since her comments are moderated, it might take a while to show up.

Finally, government nutrition policy, which as you know is totally **ed up, probably affects poor people disproportionately.  If a middle-class family wishes to buck the conventional wisdom and eat full-fat foods and red meats instead of fat-free dairy products, soy, and whole grains, they are perfectly free to do so.  If a poor family wishes to do so, tough luck, they have to buy what's allowed by WIC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been thinking about this a lot, and I have four things to add.</p>
<p>First, it&#8217;s not universally true that poor people used to be skinny.  Just one example: the Pima Indians, some of the poorest people in America, have had some of the highest obesity rates since they were pushed onto reservations decades ago and forced to live on white flour, sugar, tea, and other cheap foods instead of their traditional diets of game and fish.  This may seem like a minor point, but if we don&#8217;t recognize that poor people have been fat for a long time (not just recently), we will not get very far in understanding causes.</p>
<p>Second, because of things like farm subsidies, giant agribusinesses, monoculture, and the like, many of the cheapest foods are high-carbohydrate grain products - those that provoke a large insulin response.  Heck, even candy and soda are grain products now, loaded as they are with high-fructose corn syrup.  And as you know, Mark, insulin is the hormone that not only causes fat storage but prevents stored fat from being used.</p>
<p>Third, I just ran across this on Regina Wilshire&#8217;s excellent blog, Weight of the Evidence.  <a href="http://weightoftheevidence.blogspot.com/2007/12/obesity-is-it-form-of-malnutrition.html" rel="nofollow">http://weightoftheevidence.blogspot.com/2007/12/obesity-is-it-form-of-malnutrition.html</a>.  It suggests that obesity might indeed be a variety of malnutrition.  I wrote my thoughts on a comment there, but since her comments are moderated, it might take a while to show up.</p>
<p>Finally, government nutrition policy, which as you know is totally **ed up, probably affects poor people disproportionately.  If a middle-class family wishes to buck the conventional wisdom and eat full-fat foods and red meats instead of fat-free dairy products, soy, and whole grains, they are perfectly free to do so.  If a poor family wishes to do so, tough luck, they have to buy what&#8217;s allowed by WIC.</p>
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