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26 Sep

Ken Korg Finally Gets It

Things are going pretty smoothly in the House of Korg. At this point, the whole family’s got the dietary stuff locked in. They know what to eat, what not to eat, and it’s no longer a struggle. The low-carb flu has come and gone, the once-tempting foods frankly look kinda disgusting and downright unappealing. Son Kenny’s happily eating meat, Ken’s continuing to slim down, and Kelly no longer carries a feed bag to support her snacking habit.

The pantry has finally been purged. It was a big job, one Ken began immediately after that first chat with Valentina but only just finished because he had run out of garbage bags for all the old food (their pantry is a walk-in and just massive). When all was said and done, the food bank walked away with six hefty bags full of supplies and the Korgs had almost 100 square feet of empty space. Since Ken’s pantry replacements – canned seafood, coconut and olive oil, a big jerky stash, dark chocolate, loose leaf tea, coffee, and a small bag of rice for Kelly’s cardio carb-ups – only filled a couple shelves, the family has started using it for fitness equipment storage.

Speaking of fitness equipment, they’re amassing quite an arsenal between the three of ’em. Last week, Kelly happened to go for a quick lunchtime jog while wearing ballet flats. It was the first time she had run in something that wasn’t a high-tech running shoe with a big heel raise, and it was the first time she had run without her knee giving her trouble. Fascinated by the apparent connection between heel height and knee pain, Kelly decided to pick up a pair of Vibram Fivefingers to test. Fast forward a week and a half and Kelly has a half dozen pairs in every color and style stashed in the pantry; the VFFs apparently passed the test.

Ken and Kenny spend every Saturday together cooking up designs for unconventional, homemade workout equipment. So far, they have six slosh tubes of varying length, weight, and diameter; four medicine balls, made from basketballs and volleyballs; two big army duffel bags full of smaller sandbags, totaling up to 140 pounds each; rocks of various sizes, shapes, and weights; and a couple Bulgarian training bags made from tire inner tubes full of sand. It’s the classic father-and-son bonding experience with a weird Primal twist. Kenny’s your standard teenager, so he’s enjoying the time with his dad but not really appreciating the depth of the experience (you can’t really expect him to), but Ken? Man, Ken’s a sentimental mess. Every Sunday night in bed, he gets a little teary-eyed telling Kelly about his time with Kenny, the successes, the setbacks, the footrace/wrestling match they got into on the beach while gathering sand for the Bulgarian bag, the genuine enthusiasm in Kenny’s voice as he describes a new way to tweak the slosh tube design. It reminds him of when Kenny was a wide-eyed four year-old and the world and everything in it was new to him and Ken was the coolest, funniest tour guide in it.

Speaking of being in bed with Kelly, that’s another much-improved area. And not just the sex (which is fantastic), but the entire bedtime ritual is better. The dulling blue glare of the the plasma screen at the foot of the bed is gone, the TV disconnected. So when they turn in for the night, Ken and Kelly talk about their days, laugh, joke, and play around with each other rather than watch other people have fun, make witty comments, and live incredible lives onscreen. It isn’t glamorous or exciting, but it’s nice. And it’s certainly real.

This past week, Ken is realizing that the big secret of going Primal is that it’s really not about changes to diet, fitness, or what supplements one takes in order to “mitigate stress.” It’s not about hacking yourself, constantly striving to improve this or that micronutrient status or tweaking things until you finally figure out the minimally effective dose of sun/squats/sleep. Those are just tools to an end; they’re not the goal itself. The goal is getting to a state of flow, where everything just happens, where you make good food decisions without thinking or stressing, where you head outside for a hike not just for the forest bathing benefits but for the fact that walking around in the great outdoors is awesome, where it’s all internalized and regular so you can focus on the important stuff – family, friends, experiences, moments, love – without all the clutter getting in the way.

Those kind of subtle changes are the most monumental results of going Primal, even if they’d never be touted on the cover of a diet book. “Have more meaningful interpersonal relations with loved ones!” just doesn’t pop, ya know? But it’s the truth. And the Korgs are learning it.

Tell me about your path, your Primal story. What have you learned? What’s been hardest? Did the story of the Korgs ring any bells? Have you reached a state of flow?

Let me know in the comment board!

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  1. Getting there, but still stressing over things. Like the fact that for the past week+ there has been no sunshine and too icky out to walk. I feel guilty for not getting the daily moving or sun.

    Food is coming along better. We’re trying a lot of new things, especially in the veggie department. Some things are working, some not so much.

    Teenage daughter is adapting well I think, to the point where she will hopefully continue past the 30 days.

    On a very plus side, I’m not getting hungry as much and eating less when I do get hungry. It wasn’t unusual for me to have 150+ grams of protein/day just doing normal “low carb”, now I’m down to around 100/day which isn’t too far above my minimum needs. And if I have a day where I don’t eat as much I don’t force myself to eat more just to hit some protein number because I know I’ve got it covered on another day.

    BeccainSC wrote on September 26th, 2011
  2. What have I learned? For me, it started with Vibrams. I stopped running last year due to severe knee and hip/sciatica pain. My doc suggested orthotics and a knee brace, but I’d read about Vibrams here at MDA.

    Then while on vacay with the family in Hawaii, I spent a lot of time “running” in my flip flops, chasing my kid as we raced the train at the hotel (it was a big hotel). And half way through the week I realized that I had no pain. I tested running on the beach barefoot then bought the shoes.

    I’ve only been trying to embrace the rest of “primal” exercise and the diet since just before the challenge started.

    It’s hard for me to totally give up bread/grains (though I’ve cut WAY back, to generally 1 serving per day, maybe 2-3 if I’m PMSing), but eating meat and fat has been a huge eye opener (after being 95% vegetarian and low fat for a couple of decades). I can eat breakfast and not be hungry for hours…no more need to carefully plan for and pack two snacks to eat and exact 3 hour intervals. (Because if I don’t, I get cranky and drop things…in the semiconductor industry, that’s not good!)

    Today I went through my email and “disconnected” by unsubscribing from all those ad emails and things that I never read, that are just dragging me down. I came home and PLAYED with my kid for an hour or so before starting dinner (usually it’s rush rush rush to cook dinner, and I don’t get to have any fun). I cooked extra dinner last night and swapped it with my neighbor, so we each have one extra night’s food taken care of.

    I look forward to even more “Primal” living as time goes on. It’s baby steps.

    Marcia @Frugal Healthy Simple wrote on September 26th, 2011
  3. Still no weight loss here. I may have Even gained a little judging from how my clothes fit. I am still sticking to my guns and avoiding the scqles until the end of the challenge. On the up side, I have been keeping up with exercise (2 bodyweights, 2 short walk/runs, 1 sprint, and 3-5 hours walking per week). One unexpected benefit is an increase in standing. I find myself walking and standing more and sitting less. I feel like the barefoot running (in “aqua socks”) and walking (in Sanuk’s) is changing my desire to sit into a desire to be in motion.

    September wrote on September 26th, 2011
  4. The surprising thing for me was that besides mastering leanness and energy, I have tapped into the great potential of a bit of fat and laziness.

    I found out that if I tried to lean out at an inappropriate time, my body would protest, and I feel as if “something” in there is sending signals of panic. Also, my intuition tells me fat is not just inactive flab sitting there- it’s a resource the body somehow accounts for.

    Now, I have taught my body to feel as if my lower-fat state is now the new normal, but I know it will be a bit of an uphill walk to break through to a lower fat level and keep it effortlessly. But I know it can be done, and more importantly: I can avoid getting to a greater body fat content with much more ease.

    Now for laziness and low energy: since my activities are much more focused and deliberate, as in learning a new Bach piano piece, I know zoning out after a good practice is one of the ways for the practice to solidify.

    Primal means living more fully: neither mediocre work, nor jumpy and guilty laziness.

    Hipparchia wrote on September 27th, 2011
  5. The issue hardest for me is exercise/ activity- my body is rather content doing what it usually does on a normal basis. I have to work extra hard to get myself up from tedious photo repairs, art projects, and writing. I do really well with the diet for the most part I do have my occasional slip ups but they are usually minor. When this happens I just tell myself I can do better I don’t shoot myself down- that only makes it worse. I just start anew and leave behind the past- it can drag you down when embarking on a healthy lifestyle. I also put into action a challenge to overcome ( I may add 10 mins to my routine, etc) it usually gets me pumped/ excited and I don’t fall off the “bandwagon”

    Lexxy wrote on September 27th, 2011
  6. Apparently I am part of the “make haste slowly” crew. Managed to improve my food intake to a predominantly meat-and-veggies model with a few fruits thrown in. Gave up grains completely– until a few weeks ago, a single MEAL without carbs would have sent me under the desk with a splitting headache and all the signs of a hangover without actually getting to drink first. Now, it’s no problem. Swapped out Power Bars for Larabars, bacon and eggs for Starbucks pumpkin loaf (seriously… every morning I was eating that stuff), and cut my alcohol consumption at least in half. Now I just have to get moving with the exercise…

    Cathy wrote on September 27th, 2011
  7. Sorry– I swapped out the pumpkin loaf and swapped IN the bacon and eggs.

    Cathy wrote on September 27th, 2011
  8. It all sounds real nice. But I never see how this could apply to the average person. Seems like all this stuff is catered to people with $$$ and that don’t live in urban areas that might work one or two jobs. Expensive foods organic foofy foods, weird equipment, lots of free time, and hawking $100 dollar shoes that you can’t wear anywhere else without looking like a fool(Sorry not running barefoot in certain cities, it would be absolutely disgusting and dangerous.)

    Kia wrote on September 27th, 2011
    • A quick response to Kia. I am a PhD student in a major city. I work 60-80 hours a week in lab plus additional hours studying and taking classes. I live alone and survive on one poor-student budget. And I have gone primal.

      If you are willing to buy pure, unprocessed ingredients and cook your own meals, eating healthy, real food is in fact CHEAPER than buying all your food premade, in boxes, full of crap. I spend one evening early in the week cooking and have lunch and dinner ready for me all week long.

      In addition, not spending money on television, movies or an expensive data-phone plan saves you ALOT of money. Not only have I gone primal on a very low budget, but I still save money every month.

      What I am saying is that frugal primal living is very possible. Like everything in life, it is about choices.

      Always keep an open mind, and good luck! :-)

      Brittan Starr wrote on September 27th, 2011
      • When I was in college I lived off Ramen because you could buy 10 for a $1. How could real food be cheaper than that?

        I guess your right but from the impression I get for this site is that you must buy Vibrams, you must eat grass fed organic meats, you must run around barefoot in the woods(what if you have no woods?), it’s a death to eat a pea, a peanut or a carrot or rice or oatmeal, pastas (things that spread food), beans(other things that spread food and provide protein), milk, etc or your not really doing it. And now your depriving yourself of going to the movies, watching TV, enjoying a meal out, or a telephone that lives in the 21 century. Is it spiritual movement? Why are there such extremes? So many other cultures seem to not adhere to any of this and are healthier than we in the US are.

        Kia wrote on September 27th, 2011
        • I also lived off ramen in college.

          You can go primal on a budget. Grass fed is great, but if you can’t find it, you can’t find it. You can probably order it on-line, but it’s not going to be cheap.

          Yes, other cultures aren’t so extreme and are in better health than we are. The French, the people of Crete, and the Okinawans come to immediate mind for me. The French like their butter and fat and the people from Crete have a diet that’s pretty high in fat also. But what they also have is balance…something that it’s hard to get sometimes. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try.

          Hey, my spouse and I both work full time. We have a kid. A lot of my weekly outdoor workouts are riding my bike 10 miles to work 2 days per week (on city streets). The other days? I’m squeezing in a workout at the gym or in my living room at 0-dark-thirty. (aka 5:30 am). The free fitness PDF from this site shows you how to get a good workout with no equipment. I’ve worked on cutting back on the internet and TV so I can enjoy my family more.

          As far as eating out goes, I’d rather eat in, but I find it’s easier to find Primal food out than low fat food. So that’s a plus. While I’m not on a tight budget, I am very interested in feeding my family frugally.

          Grass fed and organic is great, but if you can’t afford it to feed your family, you can’t afford it. I personally have been doing the primal diet about 80/20 so far, mostly because it’s too damn hard to give up my slice of toast in the morning.

          Marcia wrote on September 27th, 2011
    • Sure, primal eating can set you back if you’re not being smart about it. But no one is saying you have to buy organic grass-fed if you can’t afford it. Buy regular old fatty cuts of meat at the regular grocery. Eat more eggs if meat is too expensive.

      When/if you’re in a better position financially, you can get a better nutrient profile from your food by going the grass-fed route. But that doesn’t mean you can’t eat well and improve your health on your own budget.

      My husband and I eat on about $60 USD/per week, and we eat grass-fed/pasture raised for that price (however, we IF regularly). If I looked for sales at the regular grocery, I could probably do it for about $40 USD. Shop the permiter, watch for sales, and don’t be afraid to use your freezer for meats on special. :)

      Honestly the most important part about eating primally is to actually do the best you can with the resources you have. Don’t sweat the small stuff. Eat real food, pass on the grains, change your oil to butter or olive or coconut (as you can afford), move your body, and take a fish oil supplement. It doesn’t have to be expensive unless you want it to be that way.

      Jenn wrote on September 27th, 2011
      • How are you getting grass fed/pasture raised to meats to last a week between two people for cheap that all your groceries are only 60 per week? How much do you IF? Do you get it from a farm? Even at my grocery store there is a HUGE difference between organic foods and regular foods. (Come to think of it I don’t think they have have grass fed anything).

        Kia wrote on September 27th, 2011
    • Body weight exercises are free. You can build your own kettle bell for about $10. Aqua socks start at $10. My husband and I eat on $70 a week but I could trim that by $20 pretty easily if I had to. So there goes the expensive argument. Now there are lots of nifty toys (sandbags, expensive shoes, etc) and fancy foods that add up quickly, but they certainly aren’t *required.*

      I’d say 90% of the people here are working at least one job (or a scholastic equivalent). No doubt many are working two. The exercises don’t require much time investment. Maybe a total of 4 hours over the week. Planning the week’s menu takes me 5 minutes and cooking averages to about 15 minutes of active preperation and 5 minutes of cleaning. So 2.5 hours cooking over the course of the week. (And I could pare that down if I cooked big roasts or whole chickens that would feed us for a few days). That much time is easily spent in front of the TV. And if kids are the issue then get them in the kitchen too. Exercise by chasing them around the playground instead of hitting a dumb old gym. Race with them around the block. See how fast you can vault up the stairs with your groceries instead of taking the elevator.

      What you really mean is that you aren’t willing to change and challenge yourself to see how you can make this work for you. And that is absolutely okay. It’s fine. If the tradeoffs aren’t worth it to you then don’t do it. But don’t hide behind “it’s too expensive and time-consuming.” Because a lot of us know better.

      LXV wrote on September 27th, 2011
      • LXV. You don’t have to attack my moral character.

        Kia wrote on September 27th, 2011
        • I didn’t mean for it to be an attack on your character, and I truly do apologize that it seemed that way. For whatever reason you don’t find it worthwhile to tackle the financial and time burdens to make the transition. That is fine. That is okay. It is not a moral failing. If you don’t want to do it then don’t do it. If this is not a priority in your life then you are still a fabulously wonderful, ethical, hardworking person. (no snark here)

          But you cannot say “Primal impossible without a lot of time and money.” Many, many, many of us here have figured out how to work around our own financial and time-crunch obstacles. Primal is a priority for us. (And this does not make us more thrifty, moral, ethical, better looking, or more hardworking then you.)

          Yes, perfect adherence can be pricey and some of the upfront costs are particularly daunting (HOW much for a pound of almond meal?). I don’t buy line caught tuna or grass-finished beef or pastured pork myself. (No freezer for buying in bulk and yes, that stuff is $$$ if you’re buying 1 meal at a time). I don’t really care about organic produce if it’s going to depth-charge my grocery bill. This is part of the 80/20 trade off.

          This is one of the most helpful online communities I’ve found. If you go looking for help in meeting your challenges, you will find it. However, if you throw up your hands and go “You all obviously aren’t in touch with the average folk because this isn’t possible on a budget,” there’s not much else to do but point it out as a untruth. If you continue to fall back on this position and use it as a reason to not even try, then you are using it as an excuse to hide from yourself that something else in your life is a priority.

          And once again, I say without snark or meanness, having another priority is fine. Maybe you really, truly, value passing down your mother’s pasta making secrets to your kid. Maybe you spend evey waking moment trying to fold proteins for disease research. Maybe you’re practicing to take on the Koreans in Starcraft. Maybe you just love the Simpsons so much you really, truly do want to spend you one free hour a day watching the show. I don’t judge because it says nothing about you moral fiber, you just have different priorities. But don’t lie to yourself and say “I would do it, but I’m a normal person with real life challenges. I have neither the time nor the money to do this.”

          LXV wrote on September 27th, 2011
        • “if you don’t want to do it, don’t do it.” true that. more quality food for the rest of us. just eat the cheap filler if you think we’re freaks.

          DThalman wrote on September 27th, 2011
  9. I am currently still having a lot of trouble getting into the Primal groove. The constant pressures of college (stress, lack of sleep), lack of time to make decent food, pressure to drink, etc. all lead to bad decisions and poor choices. I am still trying to stick out this 30 day challenge, but so far I have been relatively unsuccessful.

    But today is a new day! So it’s time to start with a good attitude and a positive outlook.

    Theresa wrote on September 27th, 2011
  10. Any prizes for guessing that Korg is an anagram of Grok?

    My little story-
    When I first got on to the elliptical a couple of years ago, I was wondering how CW (counting calories on the intake side, and at the same time doing cardio for an hour or more every day) could be sustainable. I would end up eating more just to keep up energy levels. It just didn’t add up logically, so I went on the net to find out if there was a solution that used a different approach and thinking. I eventually found MDA. I had a few “eureka” moments going though the post on the definitive guide to primal eating plan, and it made perfect sense especially this sentence –
    “Suffice to say, people who weigh a ton and exercise a ton, but eat a ton, still tend to weigh a ton.”

    I went primal in Jan of 2010 ( made a new year’s resolution). At 5’11”, I was 185 lbs and dropped to 164 lbs in about 4 months. I have maintained that weight, give or take a couple of pounds. Interestingly but not surprisingly, I lost three inches off my waist. I am now fitting into clothes from a decade ago.

    Although diet-wise I am quite primal ( 80-20), the more difficult part has been getting a primal work out that I can sustain and get into a “flow”(especially weights). I am not inactive, but need to really work on building muscle mass.

    My relative success has rubbed-off at the work place, and got a few more people thinking and being primal.

    Thanks Mark!

    positiveradical wrote on September 27th, 2011
  11. My wife and I have been trying to be Primal for over a year now with some success. I have lost 25 pounds thru diet changes (down to 208) and feel really good about that. My wife has lost some weight but has had more of a struggle with sweets than I have. But (and there is always a “but”) I have not been able to go total primal. I still have way to much stress in my life I still can’t find the energy to exercise on a regular basis and I have yet to get to the state of Flow. If anything (and maybe this is why we haven’t got it yet) the added effort and time added to everyday to be sure we are eating right and trying to add exercise to our daily life seems to generate it’s own form of stress. The constant “is this Grok’s way” question gets old sometimes. I do like the idea of the primal way just seem to be having trouble getting all the way over the hump. Any ideas oon how to add exercise without it seeming like it?

    Scott wrote on September 27th, 2011
    • I can side with this post, as well as Theresa above. My wife and I are transitioning as well, and like yours, she has a bigger sweet tooth than I do. I think with her it is mostly a stream of bad habits growing up. Her mother’s idea of losing weight and dieting is just eating less and sitting less. We all have our difficulties hanging on I think. For us, it’s teh breakfast cereal, we do eat mostly things l iek Honey Bunches of Oats, or Honey Nut Cheerios, but they’re all horrible on a large scale. For me that is the most challenging, that and not havign either potatoes or rice with every single meal I eat. I wanted to comment on your last question. I have gotten to the point, not sure if it totally counts, but I’ve almost made grocery shopping a primal workout. We go to whatever store, and we get hand carryable baskets instead of wheeled carts, we spend at least an hour in the store. It’s near-contiuous moving at a slow pace, coupled with lifting and carrying a decent amount of weight. Mark’s ideas about Primal Play might be good for you to look at as well, when you go for a walk, don’t be afraid to act like a kid, jump and skip over those logs on the trail, randomly stop and hang from a tree, I like to find a tallish curb and as I’m walkign do somethign equivalent to a sideways “step-up” to the curb and back to the ground. I still haven’t gotten through the hard parts myself really, it still seems forced to behave primally, but from one somewhat struggling fellow to another, you’re definitely far from alone, and as long as we keep trying it eventually will flow like it should, at least that’s my opinion.

      Billygoat wrote on September 27th, 2011
  12. You guys are good. Such timing!! All Ken and family’s experiences ringing true and right on schedule in the 30 days by the looks of things! So, funny. I was just thinking and writing about much of the same stuff as Ken and co…..

    Cleared my cupboards.

    Sprinted uphill, in the sun, because I could, and not because it was ‘my day for sprints’.

    Dumped the bags of Garden Peas in the freezer to make way for rabbit and salmon… Given away the remain tins of chickpeas and bags of quinoa and not even thought about not thinking about milk, well, for days…

    Am so excited that after a years of reading about it and kind of sort of eating primal I’m getting there and it’s coming to be the natural way of things. Of course it is! It is the natural way of things!

    Super Gaily Girl wrote on September 27th, 2011
  13. Mark:

    I love that you’ve written about Csikszentmihalyi. I’ve read quite a lot of him, and written about him too (to the point where I can type out his name without checking the spelling!).

    As for the PB, these words in your post say it best: “The goal is getting to a state of flow, where everything just happens, where you make good food decisions without thinking or stressing …”

    As you point out in your post about flow (linked to here), we have to train ourselves to get into flow states, because they don’t often come by themselves.

    For me, I know how I find flow in the context the PB) – from structure I decide on. A great example of self-decided structure is your post entitled “A Primal Woman Looks At 50+.” Now there’s a lady with a solid, articulable plan! From reading the post, it does seem like Paula found flow in her own plan. For me, it’s being a lot like that that helps me stay in flow.

    When it comes to thinking about flow and how to get into it, I think it’s important to ask ourselves what takes us OUT OF flow. For me, it’s making unplanned exceptions for indulgences, and allowing in what amount to triggers for me.

    Much is written on this site about the inclusion of wine and chocolate. I’m sure those are good inclusions for many, but not me. Wine was killing my sleep and mental clarity – even a glass or two. So I stopped completely, deciding that it just isn’t worth it – to me. I also found that, for me, It doesn’t lend itself to on-rare-occasion use).

    As for chocolate, having a square or two, as some can, just isn’t something that works for me. I haven’t decided to give it up forever, but I know it’s dangerous territory.)

    My point is that it takes some serious self-observation to figure out what brings about flow, and what impedes it. Knowing what works for others is hugely useful, and, as you point out, self-experimentation is a great process.

    Know ourselves and what works for us is essential. I feel like I do, when it comes to the PB, and it feels really great.


    Susan Alexander wrote on September 28th, 2011
  14. If I were to adopt this method of eating, what do I do about fats? I have no gallbladder and sphincter of oddi disorder which is unpredictable and not easily managed or controlled. So high fat meals can either cause me not to eat later because I feel yucky, high fat meals can send me straight to the bathroom not but 2 seconds after I eat, and if that duct muscle shuts closed while the above are happening I’m rolling around on the floor crying for Jesus to come take me.

    Kia wrote on September 28th, 2011
  15. I changed my diet to more primal not for weight loss, but for health. I have fibrocystic breast issues and get huge painful lumps that sometimes don’t go away after the monthly. Since losing the gluten/refined carbs and no coffee/alcohol(I loves me beer and wine), I am better. No more joint pain or sore boobs! I just ordered the Paleo Comfort Food cookbook and plan on slowly switching over my hubby and daughter. With recipes of such delicious food, they will not even know! We are already whole food eaters and raise our own meat, what could be easier? Thanks to everyone for such great support and insight!

    Kari wrote on September 28th, 2011
  16. I can’t say I will have succeeded with the 30-day challenge, as I’ve given in to pizza, oatmeal and a few other things. But, I will say this – after a big pizza lunch today with co-workers, I totally feel like crap – bloated, sleepy and headachy. This is what will eventually turn me Primal, when I start to fully realize that foods I thought I loved actually make me feel terrible. I love reading everyone’s comments and especially the Friday success stories. So glad I found this site!

    Hilary wrote on September 29th, 2011

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