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		<title>By: Clifford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clifford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 05:07:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Brian on this one. However, I'm glad I can just go to the supermarket and get the meat of my desire. That way I don't have to kill it myself. I have decided to adopt Lisa. I'm going to triple my meat consumption for you. If you would like you could purchase from me your meat offsets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Brian on this one. However, I&#8217;m glad I can just go to the supermarket and get the meat of my desire. That way I don&#8217;t have to kill it myself. I have decided to adopt Lisa. I&#8217;m going to triple my meat consumption for you. If you would like you could purchase from me your meat offsets.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark&#8217;s Daily Apple &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Top 10 Meat Questions Meet Answers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark&#8217;s Daily Apple &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Top 10 Meat Questions Meet Answers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:21:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Mark&#8217;s Daily Apple &#187; Blog Archive &#187; 5 Meats to Avoid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark&#8217;s Daily Apple &#187; Blog Archive &#187; 5 Meats to Avoid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:55:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: rach</title>
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		<dc:creator>rach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 17:46:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>people are so sick, animals are friends Not food!
(get it straight) " Stop killing and just live "</description>
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(get it straight) &#8221; Stop killing and just live &#8220;</p>
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		<title>By: Jen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 21:52:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems like most Americans say they would eat horse to amuse themselves or their friends and because they can so somehow it's fun to prove their superiority in the food chain by eating whatever moves just for the heck of it.  Like guys scratching their balls to remind themselves how manly they are.  If non psychotic people saw how it happened they wouldn't do it. It  takes a certain mentality to do what is done to these animals.  The thing with horses  is they are only getting slaughtered because we over breed and it's the cheapest way to dispose of ones we don't want any more.  In fact we even make money doing it.  They serve us, unlike cows- not that what we do to them is defensible either.  I really think that the race horses that earn 3 million dollars for their owners not including $30,000 stud fees, earned a couple thousand for retirement-or even the ones that won a measley $14,000.  They deserve better than getting starved and sold for 50 cents a pound to be turned into a dish for the foodies.   If fat people need a healthier alternative maybe they could try eating less volume.  It's not a necessary evil either.  Perhaps euthanasia and disposal would become less expensive if it were a common practice.  There is nothing humane about the practice so maybe that's why we shouldn't eat them.  To preserve our humanity that we claim makes us so superior to other lives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems like most Americans say they would eat horse to amuse themselves or their friends and because they can so somehow it&#8217;s fun to prove their superiority in the food chain by eating whatever moves just for the heck of it.  Like guys scratching their balls to remind themselves how manly they are.  If non psychotic people saw how it happened they wouldn&#8217;t do it. It  takes a certain mentality to do what is done to these animals.  The thing with horses  is they are only getting slaughtered because we over breed and it&#8217;s the cheapest way to dispose of ones we don&#8217;t want any more.  In fact we even make money doing it.  They serve us, unlike cows- not that what we do to them is defensible either.  I really think that the race horses that earn 3 million dollars for their owners not including $30,000 stud fees, earned a couple thousand for retirement-or even the ones that won a measley $14,000.  They deserve better than getting starved and sold for 50 cents a pound to be turned into a dish for the foodies.   If fat people need a healthier alternative maybe they could try eating less volume.  It&#8217;s not a necessary evil either.  Perhaps euthanasia and disposal would become less expensive if it were a common practice.  There is nothing humane about the practice so maybe that&#8217;s why we shouldn&#8217;t eat them.  To preserve our humanity that we claim makes us so superior to other lives.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 10:13:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always feel compelled to respond when people try to present the hunter-gatherer diet as "most natural" and therefore most healthful.  I guess that depends on how you define those terms.  Must not be in terms of length of life--the average lifespan of hunter-gatherers vs. agricultural societies, to wit--and among agricultural societies, the percentage of animal protein being eaten being directly and very tightly correlated with the incidence of chronic disease (cancer, diabetes, heart disease, etc.), according to the largest and most rigorous scientific study of diet ever done, which was launched under the Centers for Disease Control in the 80's, which included a significant portion of people who caught their own meat in more primitive settings, had a broad sample of 6,500 individuals, and controlled for more variables than any other study to date.  

As for the argument that we have some meat-adapted features, such as certain teeth, one stomach, predatory visual systems etc., the panda and gorilla can far outstrip us on those features, yet their diet is just short of exclusively plant material.  They seem to have no problems with strength and agility, either.  

No matter how you suppose we came to be developed as we are today, all the evidence points to the idea that even if we ever were optimized for meat, we have moved on to plants, and retain the ability to eat meat only for those emergency situations when the plant food supply is lacking.  Prehistoric discoveries keep pushing the date of agricultural society back and back.  We can indeed go into a more meat-optimized mode, on which we can survive to reproduce for generations,  and our predatory features become enhanced, but at the cost of years and years of our individual lifespans.    

So the question is, does the quality of such a lifestyle make up for its lack of quantity?  Perhaps there is a richness to the true hunter-gatherer life that would do that.  But I would say that with the current state of populations, we definitely cannot all do that.  And people justify all sorts of damaging addictions by pointing to the thrills involved, how their lives are enriched and made interesting by them (ever heard of the curse, "May you live in interesting times"?).   

I would say that life can be every bit as meaningful and enjoyable, and more so for the more  time one can live it with youthful vigor, by choosing the plant-based side of our primitive natural diet, which would be much more compatible economically and ecologically with our current population patterns, and much easier to use our naturally-endowed ingenuity to bring us all its advantages while eliminating any detriments--all with far less possibility of causing needless pain and suffering.

What I'd like to see more of in these discussions is information--*real* information for real people, rigorously scientific information, bias-controlled information (be aware of the nature of the sources).  In other words, don't make an unqualified statement that "horse meat is nutritious".  Horse meat, like all animal foods, grants certain nutritional benefits for the short term with one hand, while stealing away decades of life and untold potential for improvement in our wisdom and way of life in the long term with the other.  Even though for most of its history, humanity has learned not to expect or count on those last decades of life, why settle?

I'm sure you could say the same about "settling" for a diet devoid of the beloved animal foods, perhaps it being worth a shorter life.  But to me, life--the ability to continue to be in and influence this world and those around me in it--is far more precious than any particular food.  

Many people will say they don't care to live that long, considering the problems of the world that threaten to make it far more unpleasant to live in not long from now.  But how many of those problems could be solved if people's usage of water and other natural resources so massively diverted to animal-food industry were more wisely managed, so that it could much more easily happen that everyone could have enough good-quality food, and to make it easier for people to help each other, so that resentments did not have so much opportunity to erupt?

I, for one, would get much more satisfaction even if life *did* get terribly difficult, even if at my death the situation of the world seemed hopeless, to at least know with reasonable certainty that I did my best to live my life in a way that was part of the solution, not part of the problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always feel compelled to respond when people try to present the hunter-gatherer diet as &#8220;most natural&#8221; and therefore most healthful.  I guess that depends on how you define those terms.  Must not be in terms of length of life&#8211;the average lifespan of hunter-gatherers vs. agricultural societies, to wit&#8211;and among agricultural societies, the percentage of animal protein being eaten being directly and very tightly correlated with the incidence of chronic disease (cancer, diabetes, heart disease, etc.), according to the largest and most rigorous scientific study of diet ever done, which was launched under the Centers for Disease Control in the 80&#8217;s, which included a significant portion of people who caught their own meat in more primitive settings, had a broad sample of 6,500 individuals, and controlled for more variables than any other study to date.  </p>
<p>As for the argument that we have some meat-adapted features, such as certain teeth, one stomach, predatory visual systems etc., the panda and gorilla can far outstrip us on those features, yet their diet is just short of exclusively plant material.  They seem to have no problems with strength and agility, either.  </p>
<p>No matter how you suppose we came to be developed as we are today, all the evidence points to the idea that even if we ever were optimized for meat, we have moved on to plants, and retain the ability to eat meat only for those emergency situations when the plant food supply is lacking.  Prehistoric discoveries keep pushing the date of agricultural society back and back.  We can indeed go into a more meat-optimized mode, on which we can survive to reproduce for generations,  and our predatory features become enhanced, but at the cost of years and years of our individual lifespans.    </p>
<p>So the question is, does the quality of such a lifestyle make up for its lack of quantity?  Perhaps there is a richness to the true hunter-gatherer life that would do that.  But I would say that with the current state of populations, we definitely cannot all do that.  And people justify all sorts of damaging addictions by pointing to the thrills involved, how their lives are enriched and made interesting by them (ever heard of the curse, &#8220;May you live in interesting times&#8221;?).   </p>
<p>I would say that life can be every bit as meaningful and enjoyable, and more so for the more  time one can live it with youthful vigor, by choosing the plant-based side of our primitive natural diet, which would be much more compatible economically and ecologically with our current population patterns, and much easier to use our naturally-endowed ingenuity to bring us all its advantages while eliminating any detriments&#8211;all with far less possibility of causing needless pain and suffering.</p>
<p>What I&#8217;d like to see more of in these discussions is information&#8211;*real* information for real people, rigorously scientific information, bias-controlled information (be aware of the nature of the sources).  In other words, don&#8217;t make an unqualified statement that &#8220;horse meat is nutritious&#8221;.  Horse meat, like all animal foods, grants certain nutritional benefits for the short term with one hand, while stealing away decades of life and untold potential for improvement in our wisdom and way of life in the long term with the other.  Even though for most of its history, humanity has learned not to expect or count on those last decades of life, why settle?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure you could say the same about &#8220;settling&#8221; for a diet devoid of the beloved animal foods, perhaps it being worth a shorter life.  But to me, life&#8211;the ability to continue to be in and influence this world and those around me in it&#8211;is far more precious than any particular food.  </p>
<p>Many people will say they don&#8217;t care to live that long, considering the problems of the world that threaten to make it far more unpleasant to live in not long from now.  But how many of those problems could be solved if people&#8217;s usage of water and other natural resources so massively diverted to animal-food industry were more wisely managed, so that it could much more easily happen that everyone could have enough good-quality food, and to make it easier for people to help each other, so that resentments did not have so much opportunity to erupt?</p>
<p>I, for one, would get much more satisfaction even if life *did* get terribly difficult, even if at my death the situation of the world seemed hopeless, to at least know with reasonable certainty that I did my best to live my life in a way that was part of the solution, not part of the problem.</p>
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