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Why Don’t We Eat Horse? It’s Nutritious.

Being a frequent globe trotter, I’m always baffled and amused by the great variety of cultural norms, particularly when it comes to diet. For years I traveled to China on business, where I tried out rat meat. Carrie and I love going to Thailand, where it’s not unheard of to eat dog. The French enjoy – as do many European cultures – frogs’ legs, snails and horse. Scandinavians relish fermented herring (not a pleasure I share). Many cultures around the world eat insects, grubs and all manner of meat. But every culture has its taboos. Here in the States, horse is certainly the biggest taboo.

Why don’t we eat horse? It’s nutritious.

Make no mistake. I’m not making an argument in favor of eating horse. I’m simply asking out of curiosity. Why don’t we eat horse? Having a vegetarian son and a semi-vegetarian wife, discussions about sentient beings, animal welfare, and cultural standards are frequent in our household. For example, why do we consider cows to be perfectly acceptable plate fixins’ when they are capable of learning, forming bonds, and are in fact quite intelligent? Sure, perhaps they’re a little less sensitive than horses and they like to stand around (I guess), but that doesn’t seem like a rigorous argument to me at all. We think of horses as pets, but the truth is we have no problem grinding them up for other uses. Horse farming is a booming business. And we all know the old glue jokes. If the thought of horse meat horrifies you, you should know we already produce a whole lot of it – we just sell it overseas, where people think nothing of tucking into a sizzling plate of whinny.

Arguments against horse meat consumption usually include the following:

– Horses have feelings/are advanced animals. And pigs aren’t?

– Horses are traditionally pets or workers. So are many other types of livestock.

– It’s just wrong. Feeling something is wrong doesn’t make it so.

If we can set aside emotions for a moment, let’s ask ourselves why we choose to eat some animals’ flesh and not others. If you agree that animal flesh should be included in the diet (my personal view), why shouldn’t we eat horse? It’s high in protein, low in calories, tasty, and sanctioned by the USDA. I’m an advocate of red meat. I have no problem with saturated fat. Our cells are made of it, after all. Horse meat is one of the most nutritious red meats on the planet. Personally, I’m perfectly happy with my grass-fed beef, organic chicken, and wild fish. But I guess I like to think about these cultural idiosyncrasies and ask why we follow certain practices so resolutely, when there is little, if any, logical reason to do so.

Happy Thursday! 😉

Further reading:

What I eat in a day (not horse)

Which fork is for the grubs?

Why the Atkins Diet works

Why vegans are misguided

Raw food gets served

Horse graphic source

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  1. You should see the reactions I get when I tell people I’ve eaten mountain lion (or cougar, call it what you will).

    Caloi Rider wrote on November 8th, 2007
  2. I have eaten termites. Not very exciting, I know.

    Sara wrote on November 8th, 2007
  3. ALL animals have feelings and intelligent. They are living beings deserving of our respect and friendship. One day humans will see that all animals have a right to live on this earth.

    Lisa B wrote on November 8th, 2007
    • ummm what about chickens? They have no brain stimulation and run off nerves…and they are not intelligent,they have the memory of like 5 seconds. So why respect them? They are meant to eat thats why god put them here.

      Kaleb wrote on November 19th, 2011

        THINK FIRST wrote on November 20th, 2011
        • Wow…calm down.

          Xfingxfing wrote on January 3rd, 2013
    • Meat is murder.

      Tasty, tasty murder.

      A Concerned Cannibal wrote on March 26th, 2013
  4. LMAO… Well, Lisa, as life long carnivore, I feel it is my duty consume as much protein as possible, and that includes any number of different animals, and I must say I respected every single one of them as the gave me nourishment :)

    And while I have tried all sort of different protein -bear, snake, alligator, cows, pigs, lamb, deer, buffalo, all sorts of fowl and fish — well list list goes on and on… But, I have yet to try horse, but it’s supposed to be really good and lean like emu. So I’ll have to rectify that deficiency … but you know what I’ve always wanted to try — Dolphin and Whale — now those are supposed to be true delicacies… :)

    Brian wrote on November 8th, 2007
    • Yea Dolphin also has one of the highest mercury and toxin levels of any animal.

      Kaichee wrote on July 12th, 2012
    • You’re not a carnivore except in your weirdo Macho Caveman meets liberal elitist Foodie fantasy world. You’re an omnivore. I love eating meat, but seriously, Anyone with at least one eye and half an A-hole knows that too much of anything, even protein, is not good for you.

      Xfingxfing wrote on January 3rd, 2013
  5. This is a question I’ve often asked when people turn up their nose at dog or cat meat. I’ve never had either, but I would. It’s just another form of red meat. It’s similar to the confusion over why the average person will drink cow’s milk, but not horse milk, pig milk, or better yet, human milk.

    Scott Kustes
    Modern Forager

    Scott Kustes wrote on November 8th, 2007
  6. One reason: Horses aren’t kosher. Of course, that applies to pigs, too.

    Ari Holzer wrote on November 8th, 2007
    • Well, good for new then.

      Xfingxfing wrote on January 3rd, 2013
  7. I’m mostly vegetarian, although I did eat a pound of grass-fed organic beef earlier this week, about 1/4 of my annual intake.

    I’ve always wondered about these things, too. If someone is going to eat animals, and they have no religious restrictions on certain animals, then why eat some but not others? I know it’s cultural, and I understand some of the reasons for it, but why can’t people get past that? On another blog recently they were talking about eating bison and elk (which are both really good, btw, as well as moose meat – the first meal my husband made for me was elk lasagna), and so many people thought it was totally gross. Why? What’s the difference, really, between beef and bison? Not much.

    My husband was disappointed he didn’t get to try horse when he was in France. He was very curious.

    And I knew farmers who raised animals (in one case, they bottlefed a calf) only to send them to slaughter and eat them. They were obviously able to get past some of these issues.

    Judy wrote on November 8th, 2007
    • here here!
      i am always absolutely amazed when someone downs a mystery meat, factory farmed burger from a fast food joint, but balks at the fact that i will kill, gut and eat a deer.

      wouldnt you rather eat an animal that lived a natural life and died a quick and respectful death?

      samantha wrote on April 20th, 2014
  8. Brian, honestly it’s pretty sad that you are so glib but that is par for the course I guess. Your “duty” to kill living creatures?

    Lisa B wrote on November 8th, 2007
  9. Well I wasn’t being glib… I have put a lot of thought into being a carnivore :) Personally believe in being at the top of the food chain, and enjoy hunting and eating what I hunt- it’s the natural order after all, but if you want to be down with the bovine and ovine… then more power to you, just watch out for that grizzly :)

    Brian wrote on November 8th, 2007
    • Go out into the woods with nothing but a buck knife, see how long you’re top of the food chain….any fat old beer guzzling slob can shoot an animal…but you honestly don’t sound like you’ve ever even done that much. If Brian was for real he wouldn’t be talkin’ fool…the only things he’s likely ever hunted for is Easter eggs.

      Xfingxfing wrote on January 3rd, 2013
  10. But that’s just the problem – we are part of the web of life, not the “top of the chain”. You truly enjoy killing? I guess I will never understand that way of thinking, that it is somehow natural. I mean a lot of bad things are natural – but we don’t do them.

    Lisa B wrote on November 8th, 2007
  11. Wow. Pretty interesting stuff. Personally, I couldn’t bring myself to eat Mr. Ed. Having been a personal trainer in Lexington, KY (the horse capital of the world), I’ve had too much contact with horses to see them any differently than family pets. But then again, for some, Belle the family cow is probably a pet too. I’m all for nutritious eating, but since it really isn’t America’s culture to eat horse patties (plus, eating horse isn’t going to create this wonderful improvement in our society’s health), we probably shouldn’t try and change it. Let’s stick with cows; we already have enough controversy over that, just imagine throwing another animal into the mix. Not a pretty picture as you can see with our friendly conversations between Lisa and Brian.

    Dan wrote on November 8th, 2007
    • breath. avidce. i bucked husbands horse many times still i couldnt stall night. bucking being lead anymore ( spooked barn reared up trampled ) really frusterating feel worse everyday ( husband back surgery i ride horses training lapse solely responsible getting 8 horses out everyday) i recently over . i having neighbor come over night i everyother horse i couldnt passed smashing head. i realized everyday i wasnt taking out stall concentrating worse. one morning i . i took really long deep breaths. took one time everything well gaining confidence back. being bucked totally normal bodies natural response. breath way thru . dont trot walk patterns. sometimes i sing talk horses i ride really relaxes . luck keep riding subside

      Razan wrote on December 22nd, 2012
  12. While living in Korea, the topic of eating dogmeat came up frequently in discussions. We’re part of the food chain, and all edible animals are fair game as long as they are raised and slaughtered as humanely as possible. This isn’t just compassionate; Purdue University researchers found that animals subjected to stress yieled lower quality meat with a pH that was either too high or too low depending on the type of stress (neglect versus trauma during slaughter). My objection to dog eating in Korea wasn’t the fact that dogs are raised for meat but rather the extremely brutal methods of slaughter deliberately designed to make the animals suffer owing to the very unscientific belief that meat from stressed animals contains stamina-building hormones. Large US slaughterhouses aren’t much better, staffed largely by underpaid, overworked immigrants who handle the animals very roughly.

    Sonagi wrote on November 8th, 2007
  13. I didn’t mind that the Koreans ate dog; however, it was rough being around when the summer kimchi started seeing the light of day! :-)

    Dave C. wrote on November 8th, 2007
  14. Brian, you are a horse’s arse. I put you at number 15 on the chart at the top of this post.

    Gretchen wrote on November 8th, 2007
  15. Scott, your point about different animal milk came to my mind, too. People happily chug cow milk, but are repulsed by the thought of human milk.

    Dan, my family lives in Lexington, and when I lived there I worked at Hill’n’Dale. I currently work at a stable here in VA. I would probably have a hard time eating horse for the same reason, I definitely couldn’t eat a horse I knew. But I could probably eat it in a restaurant or something, as long as it was already prepared. I know logically that one animal really shouldn’t differ from another when it comes to food, so I could probably overcome any socially conditioned emotions, especially if it smelled really good. ;p

    Lemur wrote on November 8th, 2007
  16. Being vegan I’m constantly amazed by the irony of people fighting for some animals rights tooth and nail while standing by devouring others. I mean what’s the damn difference if it’s cow ass or horse ass really? Just have some tempeh and be done with it. 😉

    Mel Practice wrote on November 8th, 2007
    • Why do you care? I don’t like soy products very much, like tempeh, because it’s just to…fake. I’ve eaten meat products no one would wanna try, chicken feet anyone? And a question I ask you, why is a vegan on a paleo/primal lifestyle blog? That’s just as much sense as us go on a PETA blog.

      m wrote on May 24th, 2012
  17. Wow… thanks Gretch… that means a lot coming from you, must mean I’m on the right track. Oh, BTW, I’ve missed your sunny disposition. :)

    Brian wrote on November 8th, 2007
  18. We don’t eat our friends.

    Who we befriend is of course cultural and arbitrary.

    Robin wrote on November 8th, 2007
  19. I’ve started eating some white meat chicken…and the occasional thin-hurry-up-and-eat-it-before-I-actually-taste- the-meat-BK-burger…so that I can increase my protein comsumption, but eew it’s all so gross. Talk like this makes me wanna just have some toast for breakfast. I guess some of us just weren’t meant to be carvivores…and some of us (Brian!) were.
    Still don’t think we should eat our friends though.

    Marie wrote on November 9th, 2007
  20. I’m supposed to go to France and Italy next year for my honeymoon and I’ll be sure to keep and eye out for horse meat to try. I’ll pretty much try any meat. It may take me a little while and something to back it up with but most of all its getting over the stuff in my head. Then I’m fine and trying to convince others its good. Same as sushi, seafood, whatever to people who won’t try it.

    Joe Matasic wrote on November 9th, 2007
  21. After reading this article I called all the butcher’s in my area to find one with horse meat. I found one 200 meters from my door, and walked down and bought 1 kg of minced horse beef. It costed me 36 kr (Danish currency), which is about 7 dollars. That was very cheap compared to other kinds of meet over here. I don’t know how much fat there was in it, but it seemed very lean, and I guess there’s not much fat on a horse anyways. It tasted really really good, I made 2 minced meat patty’s, 500 g each, for me and my friend. I will make it a stable in my diet, but ask the butcher how much fat there is in it. He also sells actual horse steaks, which cost 25 dollars for a kilo. That is pretty cheap compared to other meats also. Thanks for the tip :-)

    Jonas Cronfeld wrote on November 9th, 2007
    • Was that an intentional joke – making horse meat a “stable” in your diet? If so: well played.

      Frankie wrote on January 15th, 2013
  22. Jonas, let me know how you fare 😉

    Sara wrote on November 9th, 2007
  23. I ate horse a few times, but it’s not a meat I can very often find in our supermarkets, that’s true. I don’t know why either. I agree that someone may refuse to eat meat for whatever reason, but then, indeed, why make a distinction? What makes cow meat more acceptable than horse meat? I don’t know.

    We’re not exactly at the top of the chain IMHO–well, we’re sort of there until something more dangerous at a given moment decides to gnaw through us. 😉 But if we were designed to process protein and digest meat, I guess it’s for a reason. After all, so many people don’t hesitate to feed their bodies with processed junk foods, and they don’t see what’s wrong with that. So I might as well feed mine with something that’s good for it.

    On the other hand, I so not agree with stuff like hunting for the pleasure, then not even eating what you’ve killed. But that’s a whole other matter.

    Kery wrote on November 10th, 2007
  24. Why don’t we eat humans? Not your neighbor, but humans raised for the purpose of food. There’s plenty of us around, so it wouldn’t be like eating an endangered species. In the end, it’s no different than eating any other animal.I’m not necessarily for or against cannibalism, just making a point.

    Joshua wrote on November 12th, 2007
    • May be we could start by eating you! 😀

      Hi wrote on May 9th, 2011
    • No Joshua you’re not just making a point, you’re just being a loser.

      Xfingxfing wrote on January 3rd, 2013
  25. I always feel compelled to respond when people try to present the hunter-gatherer diet as “most natural” and therefore most healthful. I guess that depends on how you define those terms. Must not be in terms of length of life–the average lifespan of hunter-gatherers vs. agricultural societies, to wit–and among agricultural societies, the percentage of animal protein being eaten being directly and very tightly correlated with the incidence of chronic disease (cancer, diabetes, heart disease, etc.), according to the largest and most rigorous scientific study of diet ever done, which was launched under the Centers for Disease Control in the 80’s, which included a significant portion of people who caught their own meat in more primitive settings, had a broad sample of 6,500 individuals, and controlled for more variables than any other study to date.

    As for the argument that we have some meat-adapted features, such as certain teeth, one stomach, predatory visual systems etc., the panda and gorilla can far outstrip us on those features, yet their diet is just short of exclusively plant material. They seem to have no problems with strength and agility, either.

    No matter how you suppose we came to be developed as we are today, all the evidence points to the idea that even if we ever were optimized for meat, we have moved on to plants, and retain the ability to eat meat only for those emergency situations when the plant food supply is lacking. Prehistoric discoveries keep pushing the date of agricultural society back and back. We can indeed go into a more meat-optimized mode, on which we can survive to reproduce for generations, and our predatory features become enhanced, but at the cost of years and years of our individual lifespans.

    So the question is, does the quality of such a lifestyle make up for its lack of quantity? Perhaps there is a richness to the true hunter-gatherer life that would do that. But I would say that with the current state of populations, we definitely cannot all do that. And people justify all sorts of damaging addictions by pointing to the thrills involved, how their lives are enriched and made interesting by them (ever heard of the curse, “May you live in interesting times”?).

    I would say that life can be every bit as meaningful and enjoyable, and more so for the more time one can live it with youthful vigor, by choosing the plant-based side of our primitive natural diet, which would be much more compatible economically and ecologically with our current population patterns, and much easier to use our naturally-endowed ingenuity to bring us all its advantages while eliminating any detriments–all with far less possibility of causing needless pain and suffering.

    What I’d like to see more of in these discussions is information–*real* information for real people, rigorously scientific information, bias-controlled information (be aware of the nature of the sources). In other words, don’t make an unqualified statement that “horse meat is nutritious”. Horse meat, like all animal foods, grants certain nutritional benefits for the short term with one hand, while stealing away decades of life and untold potential for improvement in our wisdom and way of life in the long term with the other. Even though for most of its history, humanity has learned not to expect or count on those last decades of life, why settle?

    I’m sure you could say the same about “settling” for a diet devoid of the beloved animal foods, perhaps it being worth a shorter life. But to me, life–the ability to continue to be in and influence this world and those around me in it–is far more precious than any particular food.

    Many people will say they don’t care to live that long, considering the problems of the world that threaten to make it far more unpleasant to live in not long from now. But how many of those problems could be solved if people’s usage of water and other natural resources so massively diverted to animal-food industry were more wisely managed, so that it could much more easily happen that everyone could have enough good-quality food, and to make it easier for people to help each other, so that resentments did not have so much opportunity to erupt?

    I, for one, would get much more satisfaction even if life *did* get terribly difficult, even if at my death the situation of the world seemed hopeless, to at least know with reasonable certainty that I did my best to live my life in a way that was part of the solution, not part of the problem.

    Bill wrote on November 13th, 2007
  26. It seems like most Americans say they would eat horse to amuse themselves or their friends and because they can so somehow it’s fun to prove their superiority in the food chain by eating whatever moves just for the heck of it. Like guys scratching their balls to remind themselves how manly they are. If non psychotic people saw how it happened they wouldn’t do it. It takes a certain mentality to do what is done to these animals. The thing with horses is they are only getting slaughtered because we over breed and it’s the cheapest way to dispose of ones we don’t want any more. In fact we even make money doing it. They serve us, unlike cows- not that what we do to them is defensible either. I really think that the race horses that earn 3 million dollars for their owners not including $30,000 stud fees, earned a couple thousand for retirement-or even the ones that won a measley $14,000. They deserve better than getting starved and sold for 50 cents a pound to be turned into a dish for the foodies. If fat people need a healthier alternative maybe they could try eating less volume. It’s not a necessary evil either. Perhaps euthanasia and disposal would become less expensive if it were a common practice. There is nothing humane about the practice so maybe that’s why we shouldn’t eat them. To preserve our humanity that we claim makes us so superior to other lives.

    Jen wrote on November 22nd, 2007
  27. people are so sick, animals are friends Not food!
    (get it straight) ” Stop killing and just live “

    rach wrote on December 3rd, 2007
    • You cannot live without killing. It is simply impossible. Although you can avoid consuming animal flesh, plants too carry a heavy death toll – for the plants themselves, often, and for the many small animals who were killed to preserve the plants for your consumption. The next time you sink your teeth into an ear of corn or some tofu, think of the raccoon who was brutally trapped and killed so that that food could make it safely to your plate.

      GeriMorgan wrote on August 8th, 2009
      • This is entirely untrue for people who eat sustainable, local, and organic produce maintained by people like me who use natural deterrents and predators…please educate yourself. As to the question ‘why is horse meat not eaten?’ My guess is because horses have always be represented as noble, loyal, and intelligent friends of humans, which they are, as are other creatures. As for the people defending meat consumption, and giving other cultures as examples… most of the said cultures treat animals TERRIBLY and do not value life much at all, hence most of their living situations and inhumane treatment of their very own citizens…wouldn’t be using any of those countries as an example that’s for sure.

        Alex wrote on November 30th, 2012
        • Alex, you get educated…..other cultures, as opposed to where….you think cattle, pigs and chickens are treated wonderful in your perfect culture? I eat meat, a lot of it, but I’m not arrogant or stupid enough to suggest those damn foreigners treat their food animals any worse than we do.

          Xfingxfing wrote on January 3rd, 2013
    • Is it ok if we kill plants…or billions of insects that might harm our plant food, so that we can just live….or are carrots, peas and potatoes our friends too?

      Xfingxfing wrote on January 3rd, 2013
  28. I agree with Brian on this one. However, I’m glad I can just go to the supermarket and get the meat of my desire. That way I don’t have to kill it myself. I have decided to adopt Lisa. I’m going to triple my meat consumption for you. If you would like you could purchase from me your meat offsets.

    Clifford wrote on March 26th, 2008
  29. horses have a special place in American mythology, from the frontier days. It was a capital offense to steal a horse (at least on tv).

    cjm wrote on March 31st, 2009
    • Yes, this. Horses were the transportation and the workhorses (see?) of American culture until the internal combustion engine, will all its horsepower, was created. You don’t eat the seed potatoes, and you don’t eat the horses, get it?

      I’ve eaten a lot of exotic animals, including lion, but never a horse. The one chance I’ve had was in Japan, and it was basically raw. I would like to try it sometime when it has been cooked a little longer.

      Andrew wrote on July 5th, 2011
  30. People in central asia consume horse meat on regular basis. Especially in Kazakhstan it is considered a treat. Horse meat is kind of tough but when it’s made into a sausagge known as “kazi”, it can be delicious. Although, people say that too much of horse meat consumption can affect the blood pressure…dont know how true that is.
    so, yeah, i guess horse meat concept is quite a cultural thing for americans. There is nothing wrong with it.
    In South Korea people eat dogs… so, now think about your (dog) pet that you have grown up with…will cultural differences make it wrong?!

    fatima wrote on April 2nd, 2009
  31. All vegetarians should watch the nature channel. …I’m just saying.

    Skull Shirt wrote on June 3rd, 2009
    • I give that a 10/10 but then doing so would destroy their delusional illusions!

      Just My Thoughts wrote on July 15th, 2009
    • I am not a big cat. Just sayin’

      Alex wrote on November 30th, 2012
  32. Late response but: horse is delicious! Raw horse is common in izakaya (drinking holes) in Japan, where I live. It’s tender and full of flavor. And yes, whale is also quite tasty but I have never ordered it (one can never be sure if what they are eating is endangered or not), only tried a few pieces when people around me have ordered it.

    A D wrote on November 12th, 2009
  33. I don’t discriminate. There is absolutely no reason for it, unless you flat out don’t like the flavor.

    Check out my rant here:

    Grok wrote on November 15th, 2009
  34. A friend mentioned he had it horse sashimi in Japan recently too–I did some research, found a couple places here in Vancouver that serve it, got some nerve up, and tried it last month. It was fantastic. In fact I found another place and had it there too. Not only delicious, but makes for lively and heated discussion at work! I had NEVER had any interest in eating horse previously but for me life is all about learning and experiencing. Especially knocking down preconceived notions or ‘beliefs’ that are not necessarily logical or based on intelligent, conscious decisions–dietary or otherwise.

    Wikipedia has a nice entry on the subject too.

    SP1 wrote on November 15th, 2009
  35. Jonas! I am soo envious! Great price and easy to get? man – I need to take the ferry and drop by denmark in the future, for some shopping 😉

    As a norwegian (one of those Scandinavian countries) I really want to give you a real food experience, Mark – with sour herring and smoke salmon ++ – I’m sure I could change your mind ! 😛

    In Norway the reason why we don’t eat horse is because of Christianity.

    I don’t know if this is why you don’t eat horse in the US, but since the US was populated by Europeans – it might be a reasonable conclusion.

    During the old days, before the christian invasion – it was customary during some of the seasonal religious festivals called “blot”‘s to have a horse-race – The best horse got sacrificed to Odin – and a great feast was made out of it.

    In the campaign of squashing the old ways – christianity banned eating horse – it essentially became illegal , a punishable offence, and was regarded as immoral and sinful.

    In the 21st century – people don’t really know the real reson – it’s not somehting they contemplate. But, when asked why they don’t eat horse – you get the basic “a horse has feelings”, “It’ll be like eating my cat(or other pet)” “It’s just wrong”, lol.

    Kari wrote on November 16th, 2009
  36. Is there a decently economical way to get ahold of horse meat? It would be fun to try it.

    Akira Kobayashi wrote on March 4th, 2010

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