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   maranne
   Member

   I am wondering if Ketoacidosis can really be induced by a low carb diet and whether it is dangerous for non diabetics? CW tells us not to go into ketosis for long otherwise we will kill ourselves!
   Any opinions are welcome because I am a little confused.

   M

   Posted 6 months ago #
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   OnTheBayou
   Member

   It's fine. The fear is, as you say, CW.

   It's what we were meant to do when we can't get food.

   Posted 6 months ago #
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   chowza
   Member

   Ketosis is fine, but /= ketoacidosis, which should definitely be avoided.

   http://www.weightawareness.com/topics/doc.xml?__topic_id=111&doc_id=1357

   Posted 6 months ago #
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   Marloe
   Member

   I think ketoacidosis and ketosis are two different things. 20g carbs a day will usually produce ketosis, which is when we use our own excess fat reserves for fuel. (And get bad breath:) I find mint or basil leaves helpful by the way.)

   Wiki says this:
   Diabetic ketoacidosis (DKA) is a potentially life-threatening complication in patients with diabetes mellitus. It happens predominantly in those with type 1 diabetes, but it can occur in those with type 2 diabetes under certain circumstances. DKA results from an absolute shortage of insulin; in response the body switches to burning fatty acids and producing acidic ketone bodies that cause most of the symptoms and complications.[1]

   And this:

   Ketosis should not be confused with ketoacidosis (diabetic ketoacidosis or the less common alcoholic ketoacidosis), which is severe ketosis causing the pH of the blood to drop below 7.2. Ketoacidosis is a medical condition usually caused by diabetes and accompanied by dehydration, hyperglycemia, ketonuria and increased levels of glucagon. The high glucagon, low insulin serum levels signals the body to produce more glucose via gluconeogenesis and glycogenolysis, and ketone bodies via ketogenesis. High levels of glucose causes the failure of tubular reabsorption in the kidneys, causing water to leak into the tubules in a process called osmotic diuresis, causing dehydration and further exacerbating the acidosis.

   Well, there you go. HTH
   Marloe

   Posted 6 months ago #
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   DiabetesCanKissMyButt
   Member

   good summary, marloe.

   I like ketosis because it means my blood sugar is going to be lower.

   Ketoacidosis occurs when your blood sugar remains too high for an extended period of time (higher than 300)and will mean an emergency room visit.

   Posted 6 months ago #
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   maranne
   Member

   Thanks everyone! Great posts!!

   I guess I was a bit worried because I read about some woman who ended up in ER because of an "Atkins diet induced" ketoacidosis.:(
   M

   Posted 6 months ago #
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   OnTheBayou
   Member

   The underlying theme is that with certain illnesses, like diabetes, or environmental situations, either can be bad.

   But for healthy people, limiting carbs and living off the fat of the land is just fine.

   Posted 6 months ago #
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   kuno1chi
   Member

   OTB:

   Or, "the fat of the hind" in my case ;-)

   I swear I could live for at least three months just on what's on my butt.

   Posted 6 months ago #
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   SassaFrass88
   Member

   Me too Kuno!!! ;-)

   Posted 6 months ago #
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    DiabetesCanKissMyButt
    Member

    Is this the story, Maranne? http://news.softpedia.com/news/Atkins-Diet-Not-Recommended-for-Everyone-19848.shtml

    Here's an interesting blog refuting it:
    http://weightoftheevidence.blogspot.com/2006/03/ketoacidosis-complication-of-atkins.html

    I think the ketoacidosis was caused by something else, if it was ketoacidosis at all.

    Posted 6 months ago #
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    Nick
    Member

    Ketone levels in ketosis are generally about 20 times lower than those in ketoacidosis, fwiw.

    Posted 6 months ago #
12. 

    maba
    Member

    LOL, me too Kuno! And my thighs and hips.

    Posted 6 months ago #
13. 

    maranne
    Member

    @DCK..that's the story exactly!

    Thanks everyone for diminishing my fears!

    Ladies..what's all that talk about hips and thighs??:) I am sure you are all lovely and have NOTHING to worry about....
    Mx

    Posted 6 months ago #
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    Diana Renata
    Member

    Personally, I feel my best when I'm in ketosis. :)

    Still trying to get rid of the belly. Wonder how long it would take for it to go away if I went strait carnivore. I've done it for a couple days at a time and felt fantastic.

    Posted 6 months ago #

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