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   maranne
   Member

   I still get confused on the bread issue. I am aware of the NON GRAINS idea of PB but some on here some to be ok with sourdough. What is everyone's take on it?

   I am back in Austria, the country of dairy, cakes, breads, sausages and all things deliciously "evil" and I am still trying to find my feet so to speak.
   M x

   Posted 7 months ago #
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   DiabetesCanKissMyButt
   Member

   Hi Maranne- don't know about sourdough- just wanted to say Hi and glad your move went well.

   Posted 7 months ago #
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   Sir Grandma
   Member

   I don't know..... Generally there seems to be 3 kinds of humans.

   1. pre-agri groks who were big and strong
   2. ancient agri krogs who were smaller but prospered on fermented grains and legumes with added animal fat
   3. modern CWs who are fat and weak eating processed sugar, seed oils, and quick rise bread.

   No one here wants to be 3. Most want to be 1. 2 might be a reasonable compromise, which has been my theory all along (hence my name). However, I haven't really found a reason to compromise (at least as a lifestyle, I find reasons here and there to even stoop as low as 3 sometimes).

   Posted 7 months ago #
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   dragonmamma
   Member

   For me, wheat is the #2 horrible thing that I avoid at all costs. That makes sourdough a no-no.

   (High fructose corn syrup is #1.)

   Posted 7 months ago #
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   Mick
   Member

   I am back in Austria, the country of ... all things deliciously "evil" ...

   Austria has one of the highest-fat diets in the world, which is supposed to be bad, but as you know isn't. It also has one of the longest-lived populations in the world. Austria must be getting some things right - at least compared to others.

   It seems that people have theorized that hunter-gatherers didn't eat grains. But actually they did. Don't forget they gathered as well as hunted.

   One archaeologist managed to gather 6 lbs of grain from a wild stand of wheat in Turkey in just a few hours.

   The WAPF points out:

   ... they [people who've claimed this] are probably wrong in their assertions that plant foods, particularly grains, are new to the human diet. Remains of plant foods at Paleolithic sites include seeds, berries, roots, leaves and bulbs. Sunflower seeds, prickly pear seeds, amaranth seeds and limber pine seeds have been found at Rocky Mountain sites. Various types of nuts were consumed by primitives in the Americas and on the European continent. The amount of plant food in the cave man diet varied according to the climate and locality.

   http://www.westonaprice.org/traditional_diets/caveman_cuisine.html

   So not actually true anyway.

   How about modern, but primitive societies? - whose dietary habits may actually be observed.

   There were the Australian Aborigines. They certainly ate a lot of meat (and animal fat), but they also ate plant foods. But they knew - like people not so long ago in Europe and America - to prepare them with care. Some foods were soaked for as long as a day or more in a stream before cooking - say, being ground into flour and baked as cakes.

   There's the Dinka. This was one of the groups studied by Price. It seems they were one of the tallest people in Africa that he came across, not quite as tall as the Nuer (eaters of dairy products, meat, and blood), but better proportioned and stronger:

   Dinkas, Jebelein, Sudan. This tribe lives on the Nile. Its members are not as tall as the Neurs. They are physically better proportioned and have greater strength. They use fish from the Nile and cereals for their diet. They decorate their bodies profusely with scars.

   An examination of 592 teeth of twenty-two individuals revealed only one tooth with caries, or 0.2 per cent.

   http://journeytoforever.org/farm_library/price/price9.html

   Álvar Núñez Cabeza de Vaca remarks on the great size and strength of the native inhabitants of what's now Florida and Texas:

   http://www.amazon.com/Castaway-Narrative-Alvar-Núñez-Cageza/dp/0520070631

   What he says of their physical prowess is actually quite remarkable. He writes that they could draw a powerful bow and send an arrow clean through a small tree. However, they didn't usually die when hit by arrows unless hit in a vital organ!

   He often remarks on what the different people he met ate. He specifically says that one band was the most active, powerful (and also smartest) of all. They were eating meat from the North American bison (buffalo) and also maize and beans.

   So some modern primitives from Australia to Africa to the Americas ate grains, and thrived on them. They were not, however, a major part of their diet, and they did get enough of other, more important, foods.

   Are grains harmful? (I suppose this is slightly a different question.) Well, how much are you eating of them, and how are they prepared? Sourdough rye bread is unlikely to harm anyone unless he's a coeliac or something. Just don't eat too much of it - think of it in a supporting role.

   Posted 7 months ago #
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   maranne
   Member

   Fantastic answers!! Thanks so much everyone and hi DCKMA!!

   I did make it back home in one piece and am enjoying a more tribal way of living again, i.e sharing a bedroom, cooking/preparing food in a group, looking out for each other and play. It is really different from having lived in more capitalistic places. I feel much calmer and closer to nature in many ways.

   Since I am not on my own and jobless for the time being, I have to adhere to what everyone around me eats which is pretty primal by nature anyway. I almost got rid of the wheat, sugar and potatoes. We eat fish, meat and plenty of fat. Small numbers of fruit and lots of seasonal veg. A bit of cream in my tea and the odd sour cream and yogurt. The odd piece of home made cake is smuggled in when visiting my elderly friends.
   All in all I feel great and am determined to stick with it and get closer to eliminating what I feel I can when I gain more control over my situation.

   Thanks again for helping me out and a big THANK YOU to MICK who is brilliant for making such an effort!!!

   M x

   Posted 7 months ago #
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   OnTheBayou
   Member

   Probably the Caloosa Indians lived near to my home. There are three artesian wells in an arrow's flight from here, and then of course, the cornucopia of the bayou, especially as it was back then. The dredging of the 1950's that my house is built on shows huge clams and assorted other bivalves and univalves.

   Both the British and Spanish explorers noted how the Caloosa were much taller than they and very healthy.

   My intuition tells me that there were no grass seeds around here.

   Posted 7 months ago #

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