Do you eat less food now?
(56 posts) (25 voices)-
Consider these 2 facts:
* fat is very high in calories;
* the paleo/PB diet contains a lot more fat than veg, vegan, and CW diets.Does this lead most people who are on the paleo/PB diet to consume less food?
Posted 3 months ago # -
calories, volume or both?
Posted 3 months ago # -
Volume
Posted 3 months ago # -
Volume, yes. But I think I eat a lot more calories than before - yet I'm still losing weight (slowly).
Posted 3 months ago # -
i eat tons more in volume (leafy greens, other veg, nuts/berries & meat in moderate amounts). i used to be a packaged granola bar/protein bar queen. now that i've taken the time to prepare my food, my grocery bill went down $15 and i dropped 10lbs :)
as far as calories it varies...some days i only get up to 800 and other days i eat 1400cals (i'm 5'4 115lb)
Posted 3 months ago # -
My volume has substantially decreased, but I haven't been on PB for very long so we'll see if it levels out as I continue.
Posted 3 months ago # -
@misathemeb...Only 800-1400cals?! I eat close to 2000-2300 cals every day, and I'm 5'4" at about 110lbs. What is your lean body mass composition?
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more
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Some people can lose weight eating well above maintenance level calories in "real" foods. I used to be one of them, but not anymore. I'm at a point now where even if I eat over 50% fat and keep carbs well under 50g, I still have to cut calories to get rid of the last of this gut.
Posted 3 months ago # -
Less volume and less calories. It takes far less of both to satiate me these days. And I know very quickly when I've eaten sufficient.
Posted 3 months ago # -
I don't even know how much I really ate before PB- I was an uncontrolled snacker. Because I used to work in an office where everybody brought donuts, cupcakes, and other junk...at the end of the day I couldn't even remember WHAT I ate, let alone the quantities involved. I literally felt as if I was starving all of the time, as well.
Now I only need to eat a couple of times a day; although I'm hungry for my meals, I never feel out of control :-)
Posted 3 months ago # -
@jess i have no idea what my LBM is. i just get full really easily. i used to eat 1500-2000 on CW (i ate tons of kashi cereal/clif bars & bread) and my daily intake went up around that amount. but now i'm just not hungry and it feels like i'm forcing myself to eat sometimes
Posted 3 months ago # -
Less volume than when I was CW, but a little more than before I started making changes to my diet (when I would get most of my cals from soda etc).
I eat less often than before. Usually in the 1 - 2 meal a day range. Calories are a little less since I IF, but my meals are bigger so overall calories are only slightly less.
Posted 3 months ago # -
Far less volume, I snacked ALL the time and always felt hungry. I enjoy some nitrate free bacon some mornings, maybe 2 or 3 scrambled eggs with heavy whipping cream, and may not eat again until late after noon or dinner.
Less but I generally try to eat REALLY high fat to get the calories I need.
Posted 3 months ago # -
@misathemeb....Do you miss the Kashi cereal, cliff bars, and bread?
My diet consisted of mostly those items as well. I used to wake up and eat two bowls of Kashi cereal with huge scoops of Smuckers all natural peanut butter.
I've just started PB, and am craving that cereal bad..
Posted 3 months ago # -
Interesting,
I ate a lot of Kashi, Cliffs and some bread too before going Lacto-PB. I usually only ate 1 piece of Ezekiel bread, so getting rid of that was not too difficult. And since it was sprouted and only about 15g carbs, I doubt it did much damage. I do miss the Cliff bars, especially the mint and cookie ones. But I eat Dark Chocolate fairly often and that helps. I never found Kashi cereal too addicting, but I guess I just never ate it often enough.
Posted 3 months ago # -
@Marvin...what are you eating for dark chocolate. Ive been eating some 72% Cacao (Ghiradli?, I just cant seem to put the stuff down.....whats your normal intake of chocolate?
Posted 3 months ago # -
I usually buy some 72-73% cocoa (about 3 different flavors) from Trader Joes. Nothing fancy and fairly cheap as well. They have some 90% cocoa, but at a much higher price.
I usually eat 2-3 blocks. Which is less than the suggested serving and I end up with about 10-15g carbs from them. Most of the cals still come from saturated fat and some of the carbs is fiber. They can be hard to put down, but I find eating them after a big meal can lessen overall craving. I usually keep some in my backpack also during classes in case I get hungry. I personally eat a slightly non-ketogenic diet (> 40g carbs or so), so eating a couple extra every now and then does not make a big difference for me.
Someone mentioned this earlier, but combining Coconut cream or milk with some cocoa powder and a little sweetner can give you something that tastes similar to Nutella. Great part is that it will be mostly fat with very little carbs and is a good way to keep cocoa in your diet.
Posted 3 months ago # -
You know what's delicious? 100% dark chocolate smeared with butter... or coconut oil. I eat it everyday!
Posted 3 months ago # -
@ega i don't miss the cereal and i've convinced myself that clif bars are laden with sugar and are "fake healthy" i DO miss french breads (baguettes, farmhouse bread & of course the croissant pastry) but i'm getting so much better without it. i haven't had any bread in almost 2 months
Posted 3 months ago # -
"Volume, yes. But I think I eat a lot more calories than before - yet I'm still losing weight (slowly)."
If you are losing weight, and you weren't before, you are eating less calories or you have increased your calorie output.
Posted 3 months ago # -
"Some people can lose weight eating well above maintenance level calories in "real" foods. "
No they can't. That is impossible. They might think they are eating above maintenance, but they are not.
Posted 3 months ago # -
It isn't that simple, we're not black boxes.
Have a look at GCBC and/or "Eat fat grow slim" (available as free to download pdf)
I find I'm comfortably eating less in volume, probably happy at the same number of calories that previously I struggled to keep limited to IYSWIM
Posted 3 months ago # -
Bobbylight, no. I decreased my calorie output: no more HIIT, no more cardio, lifting only 3 days a week.
And I DO eat a lot more nowadays. Close to 3000 calories I would guess.
Why do you have to doubt every thing we do???
Posted 3 months ago # -
Yes, actually it is that simple. Calories in and calories out. The thing is that the calorie output we have is sometimes hard to calculate, and a lot of times people count calories wrong. But trust me, it is calories in/calories out.
I believe that per 100 calories, carbs store 3 extra calories per day. So, if you were to take 500 calories of carbs and replace that with fat, you would store 15 less calories...about a bite of food. I don't think it would make a difference at all. Metabolic advantage is a myth...calories in/calories out. It is science.
Posted 3 months ago # -
Raphael, I doubt what you say because what you are saying is impossible. I think you would be surprised if you actually started counting your calories. I thought I was eating a lot while doing PB too, but I added it up on fitday and it was about 2,000. I would have guessed it was at LEAST 2500 or more. Without grains, calories don't add up as much as you think.
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/all-diets-work-the-importance-of-calories.html
Posted 3 months ago # -
Bobby: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Futile_cycle
Yes, calories in calories out, but not in the way you are thinking......
Posted 3 months ago # -
@bobbylight, personally, I definitely was on less calories pre-primal. I counted them, monitored them, and then burned them off through hour-long exercise routines (aerobics and light weight lifting.) I'm already tiny, so I wasn't trying to lose weight, just maintain at about a 1600 range. After going paleo/primal, I recorded in Fitday for about 2 months straight, and my calories have averaged about 2200. (And not in keto, carbs averaged a litle less than 100g.) I've lost about 3-5lbs. and have really "leaned" out.
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bobbylight, who are you to say what's impossible? You got dozens of people in this forum, eating well above maintenance level, and still losing weight (or at least not gaining any). What do you say about that?
My meals are all topped with olive oil and butter, and finished with a piece of dark chocolate and coconut oil. I don't need to count calories. I know I'm averaging 1,000 calories per meal.
Posted 3 months ago # -
Raphael, I say that they aren't eating well above maintenance. You can't lose weight eating above maintenence. Well you can't lose fat at least.
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