CW in finland
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eva
Memberim really wondering how blind people can get:
some recent study shows that more than 80% of finnish people describe themselves as at least overweight or fat. 98% of the same constingency say that they eat healthily according to the official health suggestions. How difficult is it to put 1+1 together here???!!! Ofcourse the suggested solution was more healthy rye bread and fibre!!!! And the official suggestion now is 6-8 slices of bread already! Oh man im frustrated.Posted 4 months ago # -
Same here in Canada. According to the Canada Food Guide we need six to eight servings of grains per day...what?!?!
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And from the Foods Standards Agency here in the UK...
"Starchy foods should make up about a third of the food we eat. They are a good source of energy and the main source of a range of nutrients in our diet. As well as starch, these foods contain fibre, calcium, iron and B vitamins.
Most of us should eat more starchy foods - try to include at least one starchy food with each of your main meals. So you could start the day with a wholegrain breakfast cereal, have a sandwich for lunch, and potatoes, pasta or rice with your evening meal."
*bangs head on desk repeatedly*
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maba
MemberEva, I thought people in Scandinavia still ate traditional and healthful foods compared to the rest of the world. I guess it's the same everywhere. Diabetes, hypertension are rampant in India. People are moving away from their traditional foods and are adopting "Western" foods more and more. It's a sad state of affairs there.
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@PrimalChild - Those damn no good for nuthin prarie provinces growing all that wheat! Replace all that wheat with grass fed cattle and I'd be a happy camper.
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lil_earthmomma
MemberYes, we should let cattle run amok in the prairies!!! lol
I can't even believe the stupid Canadian Food guide is something anyone can follow. I mean, even before I was primal, I was getting 1 maybe 2 servings of grain a day, 3 was rare. 6 to 8!?! How is that even possible. *gag* What would a typical day look like then? I guess I just cannot fathom the SAD diet.
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triple_warmer
MemberGovernments are well aware that what they recommend is not in the best interest of the general public, but in the interest of the economoy..
To quote a recent blog post over a Primal Wisdom:
"If everyone ate a paleodiet, the pharmaceutical industry would collapse.
So would the processed food industry.
And that would cause the GDP to decline. So "the economy" would suffer.
Can't have that happen.
Got to keep those profits growing and keep the economy humming.
At all costs."
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Cereal, cereal, cereal and then...more cereal!
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nina_70
Member@eva...yeah, it's a shame. The same kind of thing going on in Denmark. My great-grandmother was from the Danish countryside and ran her own farm...ate good amounts of meat, fats, lard, liver, blood...every part of the animal was used. And, she lived to the ripe old age of 94. My grandmother starting eating grains & sugar, and died of diabetes (and my mom's going the same way). In Denmark they are getting rid of all traditional fats and going on the low-fat, high-grain bandwagon. So sad...
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In some ways it means that all the nice fatty cuts of meat are cheap because nobody wants that unhealthy rubbish... hmmm...until they start slapping a tax on fat that is!
In other ways, I'm incredibly sad for everyone who doesn't know any better (sorry that sounds more patronising than I intend!)
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eva
Member@maba & nina-70
here we have a "rye-bread-cult" going on. Anybody that dares say ryebread is not the healthiest food in the world is considered legally insane.
I still remember from childhood (which i spent in soviet estonia) that bread was a rare treat (one i didnt even enjoy so much) and we basically ate a lot of homegrown veggies and lots of meat and liver and blood. And even though potato was a staple we were quite healthy...
Im also very concerned about my mother who otherwise eats healthy but cant give up bread... at least she is at a healthy weight and doesnt have a diabetes problem plus her cholesterol is healthyly high ;) - which she is concerned about but which i scilently thank for her very infrequent inflammations.Posted 4 months ago # -
hakman73
Member@eva
so a fellow estonian here in the forum :)
Who would have thought..I have my own experience with CW in Finland from time I studied in Finnish Military Academy. One funny moment comes to my mind - one time a newly arrived estonian cadet studying there looked suspiciously at pale watery thing called fat-free milk and poured himself from a carton that read 3,5% on it. From this hue and crie rose in the line behind him, accusin him in drinking their coffe-cream :)
But all-in-all Finland didn't leave a very bad impression - lots of green salad and veggies, fish and liver products. Other than in UK, where I'm spending my time now - am having quite a hard time picking more or less primal bits and pieces from selection offered in officers mess. Lots of carbs, almost no fat, fish and organs very rarely. Even moring bacon is 95% lean...
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OnTheBayou
Membertriple-warmer, as a Certified Master Cynic, even I cannot believe it's a plot. That would require those in power knowing what is right but creating policies and propaganda to keep us, in this case, unhealthy.
Think about that. Do they know what is right? Of course not. And I don't think "they" have secret meetings in dark forests....Bwaaaaaaahahaha!
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hakman73
Member@eva
Well.. I think my case is quite classic.
Few years back I found myself doing more administrative duties and being an office warrior than doing actual soldiering. So years went by and I started noticing slow but steady increase in my middle area. Fought it back some, but that was more delaying action than decisive victory :)
So last christmas found me at 107kg (235 lb). It was way off my usual upper limit so I started gradually reducing my daily calorie intake. By doing so I dropped down whole 3kg by end of April :D
After that I decided to take decisive action and started seriously reducing my calorie intake and boosted my excercise levels - mostly chronic cardio.
I managed to drop 10kg by doing so by mid July, but oh boy - was I exhausted! Both fysically and mentally.
So I started to look into my excercise regimen and nutrition trying to tweak them. Basically I started looking for a training plan with nutrition guidlines and by doing so stumbled upon: http://fitnessblackbook.com/
Not before long I found myself reading an article about paleo/primal nutrition and following a link found myself staring at http://www.marksdailyapple.com
To cut long story short:
- have since been following MDA closely
- went 90% primal 21.07
- went low carb (most of time under 30g/day) in august
- improved 2 mile time by 2:20 in between May and September
- dropped 15kg in between 21.July and 03.Nov, totaling 29kg (63 lb) since last Christmas (now at 78.9kg)
- massive improvements in overall health and fitness etc
- have developed fierce appetite for Ukrainian lard ;)So you are seismologist? Studied few years worth of geology myself back in good old times in Tartu..
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hakman73
Member@eva
oh.. I did say good OLD times - didn't I? ;)
I was in geology 1991-1994, switching to math afterwards and then out of Tartu to study hydrography in Maritime Academy and afterwards it has been military to me ever since.Do they still have "Luha pidu" in beginning of academic year? ;))
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eva
Memberi studied geology 1998-2003 :) then on to Tallinn Tecnhical for geotechnology...
and yes, Luhapidu is still on. the last time i was there must have been 2005... but its not the same anymore. the course groups used to be small - there were 10 of us, but now its more like 30...dont really know anybody anymore.
i think you must have had all the teachers i had, leho ainsaar, kalle kirsimäe, jüri plado jnejne
What did you specialize in when you were there?Posted 4 months ago # -
hakman73
MemberWell.. I didn't get as far as specialization.. Actually it's a long story..
But yes - Kalle Kirsimäe is a familiar name. Other teachers were Volli Kalm, Juho Kirs, Aadu Loog, Arvo Rõõmusoks.
Well - it seems we are getting seriously off-topic :)
If you want to continue I'd suggest you contact me directly: tarawa43(at)hotmail.com
both e-mail and MSN work finePosted 4 months ago #
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