Candida/poor health on a primal diet?
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madMUHHH
MemberDisclaimer: This is actually copied from the forums of the CHEK Institute, but Katie suggested I head over to this forum (hi to evryone who still remembers me btw). I hope you don't mind that and I'm aware that this is not a forum for medical discussions, but I still would love to hear your guys input, still beats asking any of the doctors in my area tbh:
Ok, this is all very complex, so I’m gonna try to simplify it as much as possible.
First of all hi! My name is Matthias and I’m from Germany.
A year ago, I was very very healthy, didn’t have many problems, just as you would expect it from a normal 17 year old boy (I’m 18 now btw). But being as interested in food as I am I still tried to do better and so I began to eat paleo/primal. (...) I was a bit misinformed though and actually still ate quite a lot of processed food (meat,cheese), generally ate some weird food combinations and well, I would still have a small sugar binge every now and then.
Now I do not know, whether this really has anything to do with my health problems or whether it was just a coincidence that my health generally seemed to get worse over the next months. Actually, it didn’t get much worse until a few months, I don’t know what went wrong, I had a huge sugar/alcohol binge, got bitten by a tick, was diagnosed with lyme disease, had to stay in the hospital for three weeks with intravenous antibiotics which did not make anything better(though thelyme seems to be gone by now).Now, I am not entirely sure, whether I really have candida or not and right now I do not think that it's really candida, but I honestly do not think that that even matters. I just have to get my immune system back on track, get the right nutrition and maybe detoxify in some way or another.
I’ve already started eating Bee's anti-candida diet, which actually is not that much different than before, it’s basically lots of vegetables, meat and good fats, especially coconut oil, paired with vitamin supplements and oil of oregano as an additional anti-fungal.
I’ve been doing this a month and while it may be a little too early to tell whether I’m doing any better, until the last few days, I’ve actually felt better, but not much, but I’m really not sure whether this really is the optimal way of handling it.First of all, I have to say I do not really believe in something like metabolic typing, but seeing that low-carb has not brought me any further until now and Weston A. Price findings prove quite well that the carb/protein/fat ratio is not that important as long as you are eating natural, unprocessed food I think there could actually be the possibility that a higher carb diet would suit me better. I mean before I got all sick I did well on high carb as well.
So, now I’m gonna give you a quick round-up of my symptoms and then I’m gonna ask the questions I have on my mind:
* Fatigue, extreme brain fog, worsened recovery from exercise, not being in a good mood most of the time, mood swings, slight sadness
* heavy legs, back pain, cold hands and feet, bruising very easily, wounds not healing off properly
* indigestion, diarrea, constipation and when I’m lying in bed my stomach often seems to be bumping, just like my heart does and it’s also makign sounds like it’s excreting some fluid
* sometimes more intense heart beat than usual, feeling extremely bad in the morning (probably a sign of my body having to detoxify quite a lot)
* and I guess there’s quite a lot more.Those symptoms paired with my oral thrush and the die-off reactions I had/have when eating coconut oil or taking grapefruit seed extract led me to the conclusion that I may have candida, while I am aware of the fact that there could be much more reasons for it.
Is it realistic to assume that candida is my problem? As low-carb hasn’t brought me that far yet, is there any change eating a higher carb diet would make me better? Wouldn’t that be counterproductive when having candida? Is there any merit to metabolic typing (I’m still not really believing it) and has anyone of you seen cases similar to mine? And as sugar certainly is no good for me and I do not believe that grains are healthy at all (maybe if they are properly prepared, but that would be way too much work for me) how would I even be able to eat higher carb without eating grains, sugar and barely any fruit?
What would you generally recommend for me to get back on track?Posted 5 months ago # -
madMUHHH
MemberHere's an additional tidbit that I posted in response to Katie. She recommended me to go on a primal diet à la MDA, but seeing as I' very familiar with this diet, I expressed my doubts about it. (I'm still eating primal, but I think I'm gonna try a little more carb intense version=:
Hi there,
marksdailyapple.com is nothing new to me at all, in fact this is the one site that made me eat paleo. But the thing just is that since I started eating like that or maybe a few months later I got more and more sick. Yes, I made some mistakes and stupid choices especially in the beginning but I’ve been eating rather clean for quite a while now (no sugar of course, until today I didn’t even eat fruit for a month or so (except lemons)) and it simply does not seem to help me improve at all.
So, thanks for your recommendations, but unfortunately I don’t think this will lead me much further.Posted 5 months ago # -
madMUHHH
Member@chocolatechip6: I'm not sure. I've always been working out and still do,but it's getting harder and harder. Right now I'm doing one BBS workout a week which takes me days to recover. Ocassionaly play tennis, and do some bodyweight exercises, that seems totally enough to me.
Posted 5 months ago # -
chocolatechip69
MembermadMUHHH, sorry about that! THat was just a bit of humor since I saw arthurb999 post here. He usually answers every thread with "work out harder" suggestion.
I"m really not sure as to what exactly causing your poor health condition. If you think you should up your carbs, maybe try adding some sweet potatoes here and there for couple of weeks to see how you react to it?
Posted 5 months ago # -
DiabetesCanKissMyButt
MemberYou guys are so crazy (CC & Arthur).
madmuhhh- I remember you. Lyme disease is no joke and sounds like you are still recovering from it. Take it easy for awhile. It makes sense that you might have increased candida due to the long course of antibiotics so maybe a yeast cleanse kit from the health food store might help with that.
Posted 5 months ago # -
madMUHHH
Member@arthurb999: Yeah, there are many people who say that it takes a while. But there has to be a reason for it. Lyme Disease is very well know to come with other infections like Bartonella, Babesia and well, Candida.
So, I'm quite sure that I may have some problems with parasites of some kind, but I do believe that the only way to get rid of that is to strengthen my immune system (Btw, here's an article that should make one seriously sceptic about the whole germ theory of disease: http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/germ17.php )So I think eating more sweet potatoes would be my best bet, I already had this in mind.
On the one hand, I really do not really believe in metabolic typing, but on the other hand as long as you stick to real foods, I do not think that even high carb diets may be harmful (see this article for reference: http://www.fitnessspotlight.com/2009/08/03/carb-diets-overrated-part-ii-kitavan-okinawa-diets/)Posted 5 months ago # -
madMUHHH
MemberFor a good reason I would say. First it's very hard to get valid test results for both of them and second I would say they are way too "overhyped", I'm aware of that.
And this is why I think that killing candida or whatever off only has second priority, the first priority being that I find the diet that suits my personal needs the best.
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