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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Anthony View Post
    Wasn't being snarky. There's nothing wrong with adding in whatever accessory work you want; the problem is if someone is doing all that stuff INSTEAD of really lifting. I see trainers in the gym every single workout who are having clients exclusively do stupid accessory "stability work" but never having their clients lift any real weight. It drives me crazy.
    But to lift heavy stuff you need a strong core, and you get a strong core by not lifting heavy stuff and instead doing stuff on Bosu balls with light weights. Don't you know this, brah?

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    Weak trunk muscles, weak abdominals and imbalances between trunk muscles groups are not pathological, just a normal variation. The division of the trunk into core and global muscle system is a reductionist fantasy, which serves only to promote CS.

    Weak or dysfunctional abdominal muscles will not lead to back pain.

    Tensing the trunk muscles is unlikely to provide any protection against back pain or reduce the recurrence of back pain.

    Core stability exercises are no more effective than, and will not prevent injury more than, any other forms of exercise. Core stability exercises are no better than other forms of exercise in reducing chronic lower back pain. Any therapeutic influence is related to the exercise effects rather than CS issues.

    There may be potential danger of damaging the spine with continuous tensing of the trunk muscles during daily and sports activities. Patients who have been trained to use complex abdominal hollowing and bracing maneuvers should be discouraged from using them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by quikky View Post
    This is partly the difference in the approach to strength training from a bodybuilding vs strength standpoint. Your point is valid if your goal is maximum hypertrophy in all muscles. However, if you are training for strength and not bodybuilding, why do, for example, my forearms need more work than they get from heavy deadlifts and chin-ups? The lifter training for strength, such as myself, would say your forearms don't need more work unless your grip is causing you to fail those exercises.
    If your forearm genetics are naturally good and you have no issues with grip then yes I'd totally agree with not working them directly.

    Reminds me a little of a story I once read. There was a bodybuilder back in the early 80's with amazing calves, during an interview he revealed how he worked them every single day with a huge amount of sets and reps. He then went on to say ' You should see my brother, his are even bigger and he doesn't work out !'.......So it appears that all his training was actually doing was over-training them and causing them to be smaller than they would have been with no training !
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldSchhool View Post
    Reminds me a little of a story I once read. There was a bodybuilder back in the early 80's with amazing calves, during an interview he revealed how he worked them every single day with a huge amount of sets and reps. He then went on to say ' You should see my brother, his are even bigger and he doesn't work out !'.......So it appears that all his training was actually doing was over-training them and causing them to be smaller than they would have been with no training !
    Calves are one of the muscles that's pure genetics. You can be a weak slob with huge calves, and you can be an insanely strong world class athlete and have pencils for lower legs. Calves, for those not naturally endowed with them, are the bane of many bodybuilders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by quikky View Post
    Calves are one of the muscles that's pure genetics. You can be a weak slob with huge calves, and you can be an insanely strong world class athlete and have pencils for lower legs. Calves, for those not naturally endowed with them, are the bane of many bodybuilders.
    Case in point !


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    fine tuning - fun or waste of time?

    Yeah. My calves are big and I hate them. -_- I have long legs but they don't always look long to me bc my legs are soooo bulky.

    Totally genetic but I can make them more defined/lean with exercises...
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    I've recently read the opposite: smaller muscles are always working

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Anthony View Post
    Wasn't being snarky. There's nothing wrong with adding in whatever accessory work you want; the problem is if someone is doing all that stuff INSTEAD of really lifting. I see trainers in the gym every single workout who are having clients exclusively do stupid accessory "stability work" but never having their clients lift any real weight. It drives me crazy.
    OK! No, think I wrote that I do it after my usual workout .To explain my reaction. Didn't mean to insult you!
    And when I started "core training" it was clear right from the start that hips and shoulders are involved..."abs" come along with stability, function, flexibility and preparing for other movements. Think of the whole complex as a pillar!
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    Quote Originally Posted by turquoisepassion View Post
    Yeah. My calves are big and I hate them. -_- I have long legs but they don't always look long to me bc my legs are soooo bulky.

    Totally genetic but I can make them more defined/lean with exercises...
    Asian girls always appear to have great calves, definitely not something to hate !!!!

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    Gergirl, Why train like a strength specialist i.e. power lifter if your goals are general “strength” fitness? Here some stuff to ponder;

    T NATION | 5 Strategies for Choosing Exercises
    Thanks - cool!

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