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    I never said attacks are not okay!! I said attacks are perfectly acceptable. Lol. So how am I being hypocritical again? Once again I wasn't "complaining" more like showcasing the PC police hypocrisy.
    Except that you haven't achieved that, either, because I have not behaved hypocritically.

    Excuse me if I don't want to suffer through your long-winded arguments that commit a thousand logical fallacies and all I wanted to do was say "oops sorry." If that is lazy, fine. I am lazy! I am on break and I don't want to suffer through more liberalism fallacies than I have to. Once again, sorry I falsely accused you of something. If you don't want to accept it, don't. Heh.
    As I stated, I don't care if you don't read my posts. What I do care about is being falsely accused of something that is not factual (which includes the hyperbolic accusations of "a thousand logical fallacies" and the wholly imaginary "liberalism fallacies"), and to which I will respond.

    So, I'm glad we are agreed that you are an intellectually lazy hypocrite. From now on, I can return to scanning your posts unless something interests me in them and/or you attack me directly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zoebird View Post
    Except that you haven't achieved that, either, because I have not behaved hypocritically.



    As I stated, I don't care if you don't read my posts. What I do care about is being falsely accused of something that is not factual (which includes the hyperbolic accusations of "a thousand logical fallacies" and the wholly imaginary "liberalism fallacies"), and to which I will respond.

    So, I'm glad we are agreed that you are an intellectually lazy hypocrite. From now on, I can return to scanning your posts unless something interests me in them and/or you attack me directly.

    I didn't agree I was a hypocrite, just lazy... And only selectively lazy towards people like you.

    "OMG why don't you go back and understand my post" before responding, because I didn't agree I was a hypocrite!! How dare you!!!

    It is okay if YOU don't think your hypocrisy is showing. Many others on this forum agree with me that you are being vicious while preaching acceptance through PM's and such. So I don't give a damn you still think you are an angel.
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    derp --

    I think the issue is collective. IE, there's a part in the history of patriarchy -- dominant paradigms. there's a part in the community's own processes and responses (such as the impact of chronic poverty), and there is personal responsibility.

    I think that we can talk about all of these things without attributing certain things to body.

    For example, while white male privilege exists, it exists differently for different white males. Some are grossly underprivileged (particularly in lower classes, those who are transgendered or homosexual, etc), while others are grossly overprivileged. But, it takes effort on both parts to achieve a good (positive) cultural change.

    I'm more of a "grass roots" sort of person -- which is to say working at the personal level to change my own behaviors, and then through those actions and behaviors, others take note. But I think it's also important to look at cultural and institutional problems that are decreasing opportunities for anyone who would be underprivileged. Thereby, working toward equity.

    I also read Noam Chomsky for the record -- I tend to that side of libertarianism. I do not like Ayn Rand, et al.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turquoisepassion View Post
    I didn't agree I was a hypocrite, just lazy... And only selectively lazy towards people like you.

    "OMG why don't you go back and understand my post" before responding, because I didn't agree I was a hypocrite!! How dare you!!!

    It is okay if YOU don't think your hypocrisy is showing. Many others on this forum agree with me that you are being vicious while preaching acceptance through PM's and such. So I don't give a damn you still think you are an angel.
    I think Zoebird has been and always been patient and kind in her postings. The use of the word "many" seems a little far fetched and may mean something different to different people. What is the actual number of people that think Zoebird is being vicious?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Derpamix View Post
    It's like no one even reads the posts. They see a topic of race, and or a "touchy" subject like obesity, and immediately get emotional. Most of my posts in this thread have been about problems regarding discrimination against white men, rather than anything else. The rest is just the obvious problems surrounding the black community that no one wants to talk about. Maybe if they did talk about it, and held them accountable for their actions, instead of blaming white people for everything, things just might change. I don't think anyone has posted anything absolutely offensive, one side is just not censoring themselves and isn't arguing solely with emotions. Things like "you're insecure" and various shame tactics are ridiculous and goes a long way to show why politically correct socialists are a joke that no one gets.
    It's amusing how political progressives usually say that they want to help the black community, but a lot of the policies that they advocate do nothing but screw them. Minimum wage laws make black teenagers basically unemployable. The Drug War imprisons minorities at rates disproportionate to how much they actually use them. Public schools fail to provide them with a good education. And the most monstrous to me, the welfare state has pretty much annihilated the black family unit. I know life would've been much harder for me without my dad being in the picture.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jefferson1775 View Post
    It's amusing how political progressives usually say that they want to help the black community, but a lot of the policies that they advocate do nothing but screw them. Minimum wage laws make black teenagers basically unemployable. The Drug War imprisons minorities at rates disproportionate to how much they actually use them. Public schools fail to provide them with a good education. And the most monstrous to me, the welfare state has pretty much annihilated the black family unit. I know life would've been much harder for me without my dad being in the picture.
    "Minimum wage laws make black teenagers basically unemployable"

    I'm not from the US so can you expand on this? What's the difference between hiring a black teenager and a teenager of another ethnic back ground?

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    Quote Originally Posted by magnolia1973 View Post

    Also, I've noticed that a lot of liberals who spew the white privilege and black people are default awesome often live in very uniformly non-diverse areas. Are you in some place like Vermont per chance?
    Oh no you ditn't

    I would say that the opposite is more than often true, and I have experienced it myself.

    I lived in both LA and Miami through my schooling, and I always used to tell people that "South Florida will make you a racist." It wasn't that I was poorly treated by anyone, but I just overall felt that it was a terrible place to live. I felt the same way when I lived in San Clemente CA, just south of LA.....there are a lot of minorities of EVERY kind, a total melting pot, and I actually felt like people were incredibly rude to one another. There was an air of nastiness to both places; parts of town, even things like convenience stores, that are intended to serve only a certain minority group....so if you are a white person, or probably even any other not in their group, they will be not so subtly rude to you.

    On top of that, I lived in neighborhoods in both places that were overwhelmingly minority.....I had a black guy as a neighbor, owned 7 pitbulls that bit anything moving, attacked my dog once, bit me in the arm, etc. He was the walking stereotype, been to prison, tons of gross tats, the works.

    Problem is that this is the ONLY experience with minorities that some people have, namely in major cities where there is plight amongst every group. They never went to the other places I lived, where I saw blacks or hispanics that were amazing, incredibly bright and honest people at places like Quantico or NYC....

    Those that think that Vermont is a place full of classical liberals have never been here. We are liberal in the same way that people from Montana are conservative; in other words, it is coming from a totally different place.

    In Montana, where my brother lives, it is mostly about people leaving you alone, paying a little taxes as possible, and being self-reliant.....in VT, it is about looking out for each other, with the idea of community reliance (which is far superior to just singular people). The "true liberals" are usually in major midwest and eastern cities, and their intelligentsia have a pretty contorted view of race and class across the board.

    Now, two jokes, bc otherwise I will go batty:
    "Montana is a place where a guy will shoot a bear, drag it all the way back to his house alone, and never be heard from for another month.....Vermont is a place where a guy shoots a bear, has a guy he knows butcher it, uses it to buy eggs from someone else, then shares it with everyone he knows." -- My brother

    "There are only two states where one is allowed to be a felon and not automatically lose their right to vote; Maine and Vermont.....and Vermont's black population consists of a bear." -- Bill Maher

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