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    Quote Originally Posted by zoebird View Post
    Well, the protein is the real kicker. But, part of that is a question of how much protein a person needs. I just googled the old RDA model, and they assert that



    So, right there, 811 is in the cdc's a-ok list.

    Then, it asserts the RDAs for women and men over age 19 (gives other people too). For women it's 46 g/day, for men it's 56 g/day. that's really not that much.

    Harvard recommends 8 g of protein for every 20 lbs of body weight. So, if you weigh 120 lbs, that would be 48g.
    Yeah, I would love to see compelling data behind these recommendations. Until then, I'll eat 3 or 4 times that much protein, like every useful person on the planet.

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    And of course, the other rule of thumb is the athlete's amount -- 1 g per lb lean body mass.

    i'm thinking you *could* do 80-10-10 by just figuring out your protein needs first, and then your fats, so that they stay under 10, and then the rest of those calories would be carbohydrate, so. . . yeah.
    So you'd have me eat 140 g of protein, 70 g of fat, and 1,120 g of carbohydrate? Ew. Also, 5,600 kCal. But mostly, Ew.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Knifegill View Post
    Starvy = sick. Fruitarians aren't lean, they are wasting.
    Yeah, I mean if you're into that sort of thing.
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    The problem with the "eat a ton to burn enough calories so you can ingest enough protein" idea is that burning calories through exercise increases the need for routine repair even if you're not building muscle. There's no way to catch up.

    B12 shots, really.
    If durian is getting B12 shots now, that's new. Previously he was tested and found to have the lowest level of B12 ever found. The researchers were shocked.

    Another problem with the range of protein intake recommendations as given is that it's not optional which end of the range you're going to be at.

    So one sedentary vegan who happens to naturally fall at the low end of the requirements range might be able to do okay indefinitely. But another one of the same gender, age, weight, and activity level might not do okay with that intake.

    People look at a range and just pick what they think they would like their requirements to be. You can set your intake. But you can't just decide what you want your requirements to be.

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    Wow, if they are running 10-15 miles a day and then mountain biking after that they really are muscle wasting themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eKatherine View Post
    The problem with the "eat a ton to burn enough calories so you can ingest enough protein" idea is that burning calories through exercise increases the need for routine repair even if you're not building muscle. There's no way to catch up.



    If durian is getting B12 shots now, that's new. Previously he was tested and found to have the lowest level of B12 ever found. The researchers were shocked.

    Another problem with the range of protein intake recommendations as given is that it's not optional which end of the range you're going to be at.

    So one sedentary vegan who happens to naturally fall at the low end of the requirements range might be able to do okay indefinitely. But another one of the same gender, age, weight, and activity level might not do okay with that intake.

    People look at a range and just pick what they think they would like their requirements to be. You can set your intake. But you can't just decide what you want your requirements to be.
    Haven't been on the site for a couple of years either, but yes Durian always advocates B12 shots, and regular blood works.

    The bad thing is they don't listen to anyone who is not as successful, or bloated suffering from eating a ton of fruit, they just say get over yourself and go on that treadmill/bike.... they don't think that some of us have jobs and can't spend the day biking/running to get rid of the sugar energy.

    But there are other more friendly and less demanding fruitarian sites who say eat until you are satisfied but no more and don't over exercise. Even happy for people to have one cooked meal a day.

    I personally believe eating fruit is Paleo as well, and quite believe during paleo times there existed people who wouldn't hunt or can't hunt so were happy with mainly fruit and nuts if available in abundance like in tropical lands. They probably would eat the occasional meat if available to them, but I can't see that it was impossible that some Paleo people ate mainly fruit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RichMahogany View Post
    Yeah, I would love to see compelling data behind these recommendations. Until then, I'll eat 3 or 4 times that much protein, like every useful person on the planet.
    I provided the CDC link, so you can follow up on their research if you wish.

    So you'd have me eat 140 g of protein, 70 g of fat, and 1,120 g of carbohydrate? Ew. Also, 5,600 kCal. But mostly, Ew.
    I wouldn't have *you* do anything. You should do what you want to do.

    But, if you did want to do 80-10-10, and you believed that you needed that much protein (i suspect that 80-10-10 folk and other raw foodists believe that we don't need that much protein per lb/etc), then those would be your numbers. And it would be up to you to make sure you met them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zoebird View Post
    I provided the CDC link, so you can follow up on their research if you wish.
    Yeah, I'll save my energy following up on their research.

    Quote Originally Posted by zoebird View Post
    I wouldn't have *you* do anything. You should do what you want to do.

    But, if you did want to do 80-10-10, and you believed that you needed that much protein (i suspect that 80-10-10 folk and other raw foodists believe that we don't need that much protein per lb/etc), then those would be your numbers. And it would be up to you to make sure you met them.
    Yeah, I have 0 interest in 80/10/10, eating 1120 grams/day of carbohydrate, or being a weak hypocrite and a weak stick figure. I was just pointing out that your suggestion of meeting my protein needs based on what you called the "athlete recommendation" and basing 80/10/10 on that figure results in absurd numbers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hotmail View Post
    Haven't been on the site for a couple of years either, but yes Durian always advocates B12 shots, and regular blood works.

    The bad thing is they don't listen to anyone who is not as successful, or bloated suffering from eating a ton of fruit, they just say get over yourself and go on that treadmill/bike.... they don't think that some of us have jobs and can't spend the day biking/running to get rid of the sugar energy.

    But there are other more friendly and less demanding fruitarian sites who say eat until you are satisfied but no more and don't over exercise. Even happy for people to have one cooked meal a day.

    I personally believe eating fruit is Paleo as well, and quite believe during paleo times there existed people who wouldn't hunt or can't hunt so were happy with mainly fruit and nuts if available in abundance like in tropical lands. They probably would eat the occasional meat if available to them, but I can't see that it was impossible that some Paleo people ate mainly fruit.
    Yes, mostly in the tropics: fruit, coconut, root veggies, some leaves, and fish. Typical diet. Probably sea veggies, too.

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    Sugar has an extremely high burn rate. The only thing with a higher burn rate is protein. It is virtually impossible for the body to store protein as fat. It is very, very difficult for the body to store sugar as fat. Next to straight protein, sugar is the least fattening thing out there.

    Yes, sugar has a bad rap, but it's due to how people consume sugar. When people eat sugar, it's the highly refined kind and it's usually sprinkled on top of something loaded with fat. It's actually the fat we store as fat since the sugar keeps us from using the fat for fuel. Fruitarians tend to be extremely lean because their diets are nearly fat free, meaning there is little to nothing for their bodies to store as fat. Added on top of that, because of sugar's incredibly high burn rate that magnifies with the more sugar you consume, it becomes very difficult to eat maintenance calories to even maintain weight.

    An all-fruit diet is an incredibly fast way to become very lean, but it's also a great way to become nutrient deficient since there are no fat soluble vitamins present. Leanness isn't all there is to it. If you want to be very lean, eat nothing but fruit and protein with little to no fat...but you'll pay for it with your health.
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