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    Nosebleeds and the immune response

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    Over the past year I have worked out that my frequent (4 or 5 a day) relatively minor nosebleeds are linked to eating gluten, corn, dairy and at least some types of legume.

    At the moment I am avoiding all grains, all dairy as even butter has caused nosebleeds and all legumes. The nosebleeds have become worse now if problematic foodstuffs are eaten and I am becoming increasingly reluctant to take chances.

    Searching the internet (and this forum) shows that there are other people in this situation but there is not much information out there. There seems to be a proven link between these proteins and inflammation but little account of the mechanisms which cause the inflammation and nothing on its relationship with nosebleeds.

    I should probably mention that I have had a number of autoimmune problems over the past 30 years which have either been treated in isolation or ignored. The nosebleeds started about six years ago and were being largely ignored until I discovered that there was a link between gluten and the other disorders.

    To date I have lost about 2 stone (28 lb) and while that was nice, I really do not want to lose any more.

    Does anyone know anything about inflammation and nosebleeds, what else may also be causing a problem, or know anyone in the same situation? Any advice or information would be appreciated.

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    So I thought I was getting a lot of blood thinning effects from my foods and supplements, and then I found EVEN MORE blood thinning effects in certain things I consume. There was a phase when huge amounts of fish oil were really popular on this forum and several people on the forum ended up giving themselves bleeding disorders from that.

    Soooo... it may or may not be inflammation. It make be that healthy foods tend to be blood thinners. I would look at that side as well.

    (I don't have nose bleeds, but I bruise very easily since improving my diet.)
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    Leafy greens and other Vitamin K providing foods should help with your clotting factors.

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    Thanks for the replies folks. I don't think I made myself clear though. No grains, no dairy and no bean means no nosebleeds. It is if I eat grains, dairy or beans that problems start.

    I can't be the only person who has this problem - do you know anyone in this situation, maybe they have unexplained nosebleeds?

    How does inflamation create leaky pipes?

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    Inflammation in the gut reduces absorption of Vit K. Along with anemia, this increases nosebleeds in Celiacs.

    You are also likely replacing these foods with things that cause blood thinning.

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    The chronic inflammation could also be causing a low grade sinus infection, which in turn makes you more susceptible to nosebleeds. The inflammation is everywhere including the sinuses.

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    Loafingcactus,sorry I didn't mean to seem ungrateful I just didn't understand the reply! I got completely the wrong end of the stick. So, cut the problem foodstuffs and increased vit K absorption = thinner blood = lower blood pressure = no nose bleeds?

    workinprogress inflammation is caused by the body trying to repair itself? Why don't more people demonstrate convenient symptoms like nosebleeds? About 4 years ago my doctor referred me to a specialist who clearly thought that I was causing my own nosebleeds, which I wasn't.

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    Yes sometimes inflammation is the body trying to heal itself. Its also present chronically, which isn't a sign of healing. Example, I have a lot of seasonal allergies, during certain times of the year my sinuses are chronically swollen and I get a lot of sinus infections which lead to bloody noses. The bloody nose is not a sign of my body healing itself, its a sign of the chronic assault my sinuses are under.
    The head and sinuses are a very vascular area. Look at any scalp or facial wound, the tiniest cut can bleed like a "stuck pig" and other areas of the body that are less vascular will barely bleed with wounds much larger. Its common for minor assaults to the system to cause nosebleeds, including allergies that increase vascular permeability.

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    I know I'm weighing-in late to this thread, but hello there!

    Hi, Puddleglumish. I don't get full-on nosebleeds, but in my experience the only time I have found blood in my nostrils is after including legumes/peas for more than a couple of consecutive days. The lectins in these foods can compromise mucous membranes.

    Hi, Loafingcactus. I'm sorry to hear that you are/were experiencing easy bruising; unfortunately, easy bruising is generally a sign of health problems, not a side-effect of improved diet. Perhaps you are/were experiencing OAS reactions due to your pollen issues?
    Last edited by djkvan; 04-29-2014 at 11:09 PM.

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