Of course, it's all one's own fault and it is really super-simple. Starve to death and all will be just peachy. Dunno, I really wish there was a way to have a firm body without starving while keeping a desk job, but honestly. It is NOT simple. It's just not. Sleeplessness, deprivation, depression, inability to handle family meals and beeing at home in proximity to food... and being hungry, hungry, hungry. I tried eating all fat, protein, classical keto, cyclic ketonic, classic CW... the result is all the same. You eat normal portions enough to satisfy, not feeling like you've overate... good food... weight gain. Will I get obese? I don't know. For my height I guess it is 180-190 lbs to be considered obese. Well, call me in 5 years and I will tell you if someone can eat all non-processed food, work out, move a lot, and still become obese. My guess is that, sadly, yes.
Last edited by Leida; 10-18-2013 at 08:51 AM.
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When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be.
Same for me. But here I sit at year three, those 50 pounds gone, stronger and healthier than ever, and I think "Hmm, only ten pounds less and my abs will be popping!" and I'm starting to think guzzling fat might be an impedance...now that I'm down to 17% body fat and wanting to go lower.Eating primal works for me. I have lost 60 lbs this way (over 2 years). I have never counted calories and eat lots of fat. My steak is dripping in butter, coconut oil in my coffee, eat bacon. Every day. I still have ~20-30 lbs more I'd like to lose, so not sure if I will need to change it up as my weight gets lower, but so far so good. No matter how much I have stuffed myself, as long as it was primal, I have not gained weight. Stalled maybe, but never gone up. I keep getting leaner.
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I really feel that when you have found the right WOE for YOU, it should be easy, easy to lower weight if needed, easy to do without feeling like you need to binge, and also feel decently energized and well on it. If it isn't then you have a journey on your hands having to play with the macros etc. etc. to find what does work. Also wanted to add that for me I keep myself to a strict schedule, no snacking. Breakfast lunch and dinner, that is it. No food after evening meal. I think if I changed that I would probably have no problem gaining, and feeling sluggish, bloated and awful in the process.
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Started Primal June 2012 at 148.5lbs, and 5' 1", reached goal weight in 5 months.
Lowest weight 93lbs - too thin. Now stable at 102lbs much better weight for me at my age.
Primal, minus eggs, dairy and a myriad of other allergens.
I hope you are right, but I know from personal experience how easy it is to go overboard on things that are "good for you." I can eat any number of fruit and vegetables all day long if I let myself. Of course, to do this I have to ignore my hunger signals- which I have grown expert at as an emotional eater. That said, you are ahead of the game just eating the things that are good for you, but too many calories is too many calories, period.
I have lost quite a bit of weight these first few weeks, although that is leveling out now and I am starting to basically stay the same (however, my measurements are still going down, so I believe I am actually gaining lean body mass- as if I didn't already have enough and possibly losing body fat, good things to be sure, but unexpected for me). I like the idea of finding my body's own equilibrium, ideal state, whatever that is advocated by this plan, though. So many plans focus on fitting into the cultural idea of what is healthy, they never really stop to think if it is healthy for the person in question. I now have at least 175 pounds of lean body mass on me and for my height, they want me at 136 to 160 pounds total or some such and given my lean body mass that is just an absurd number to try to reach. I am still trying to figure out where I would stop trying to lose weight when I hit it, but maybe my body will decide that for me. I don't know.
Tangent aside, you can become at the very least overweight eating just about anything if you aren't paying attention to what you are doing. This is why I tend to keep a food journal, even though the plan does not really advocate one. If I am not encouraging myself to actively think about protein to fat to carb ratios then I will blow through them or miss them entirely. Although, if I am paying attention, I am much less likely to do so. So, I think it depends on your personality, to a degree as well.
That's my two cents.
"The only person you are destined to become is the person you decide to be."- Ralph Waldo Emerson
I feel pretty sure that if the whole country went primal, even allowing or over eating of nuts, and paleo treats,etc, that on a whole population level - the number of overweight and/or obese people would drop dramatically.
Using low lectin/nightshade free primal to control autoimmune arthritis. (And lost 50 lbs along the way )
I've been through the same thing by the way, but I was still able to overcome it long term. Was it simple? YES!!! Was it easy? NO!!! But I did it. I had to cut many times in many different ways, cutting calories very low, fasting, etc..
But honestly, now that I'm leaner, I really have no trouble keeping the weight off. I actually even eat ice cream almost every day and it doesn't make me fat. Clearly it's a lot harder to lose weight than it is to maintain it.
Anyways, sorry if my topic title was misleading, but the main point of my thread was meant to address the myth that if you lose weight fast you'll only gain it all back again and more. And I'm calling nonsense. Follow my example:
Let's assume for example you can lose up to 20 lbs per year, that which in my opinion can be achieved without too much discomfort. You aren't going to be able to gain that much back eating primal, and even if you could you wouldn't if it was in fact your goal to get lean and stay lean. With primal eating you can only gain weight so fast, that which can't be compared to how fast you can gain eating junk. With that being said, the faster you lose weight and the more total weight you lose, the more the amount you lost will outweigh what is possible to gain back.
So let's say for example you can gain 20 lbs per year eating primal. If you lose 20 lbs the first year because you cut hard, then allowed yourself to gain the next year, worst case the next year is you break even. But if you lose 50 lbs instead and gained 20 lbs back the next year, you'll still walk out 30 lbs lighter after two years.
You see what I mean? The math works out in your favor with primal. Because you can only gain so fast. And in reality, you probably won't gain on it unless you don't do it right. But if you do it right, no problem.
Compare that with what can be gained eating junk food as much as you want and as often as you want. The sky is the limit. If I can gain 20 lbs in 10 weeks, that means I can gain 100 lbs in a year. This is where the myth came from. This is why even studies show that most dieters fail. This is also why studies show many examples as to how people gain weight back after severe dieting as well.
Why? Most people in the USA are always gaining anyways. Because they eat junk. That's why they get fat. So it won't matter if you lost weight at 1/2 lb per week or 5 lbs per week. Because if you go back to eating crap, and they always do, you're going to gain weight again. This is what should be expected.
But not with primal. Sure you can, very slowly. But if you understand what you are doing, such shouldn't be an issue.
Get back to you in 5 years? I'd say that's a good call. Because you might be able to get there in 5 years if you really don't care, and are also eating primally. But not if you do. However, on SAD I can get there in 5 months, without a doubt, without even trying.