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    Quote Originally Posted by MaceyUK View Post
    Those numbers are pretty meaningless. You and I both know that. LDl and triglycerides are separate measures for good reason as LDl is a poor predictor of heart disease wheras HDL to triglyceride level is a good predictor. Triglyceride levels are certainly raised by over consumption of fructose in whatever form be it from sucrose or fruit.
    I have no idea what you're getting at



    What do you think of HDL versus LDL cholesterol?

    Both of them are anti-inflammatory. That's part of the protective
    effect; the protein which carries the cholesterol itself has a very
    important biological effect, defending against things that would
    irritate and inflame. Studies have shown that there's a close
    correlation between high HDL and some of the inflammatory diseases
    such as cancer because it rises defensively against exposure to those
    chemical irritants. The level of HDL or the proportion of it to the
    total cholesterol is partly just reflecting how stressful your
    environment is. For example, drinking too much alcohol will raise your
    HDL. Being exposed to too much of the fish oil type of irritation
    (peroxidation) will raise your HDL defensively.

    So you're saying that HDL is the bad cholesterol?

    No, it's defensive, but having it high doesn't necessarily mean that
    you're on a good diet program, because just drinking too much liquor
    can raise it.

    What ratio would you say is a good sign?

    I don't think it is as simple as that, but 2 or 3 LDL to 1 HDL is
    usually reasonable.

    My trigs are good, my cholesterol is good; high HDL and low LDL signifies impaired steroid synthesis, since less cholesterol is available in the mitochondria for steroidogenesis. Anything about fructose raising trigs in a harmful way is unsubstantiated bull. Thyroid is linked to both. You should know that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaceyUK View Post
    And I do believe that overconsumption of sugar leads to obesity, raises levels of free fatty acids in interstitial; fluids and that this is what causes insulin resistance.
    Via what mechanism? Care to back up your assertion and possibly refute my earlier post?
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    MaceyUK, what are your stats? Age, weight, cholesterol, BS?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaceyUK View Post
    Those numbers are pretty meaningless. You and I both know that. LDl and triglycerides are separate measures for good reason as LDl is a poor predictor of heart disease wheras HDL to triglyceride level is a good predictor. Triglyceride levels are certainly raised by over consumption of fructose in whatever form be it from sucrose or fruit.
    Few months into a high carb (plenty of sugar) and low fat (mostly SFAs) diet my numbers were:

    Cholesterol, total 167 mg/dL
    LDL 99 mg/dL
    VLDL 11 mg/dL
    HDL 57 mg/dL
    Triglycerides 55 mg/dL

    I know your post was not directed at me, just saying. "over-consumption of fructose in whatever form" does not raise triglyceride levels. It's more complex than that and it's all about context. High fructose + high polyunsaturated fat intake would be a different story.

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    Agree 100% with this. I currently have almost the same numbers as yours, with plenty of fruit. Only difference is that I had zero processed sugar intake.


    Quote Originally Posted by Graycat View Post
    Few months into a high carb (plenty of sugar) and low fat (mostly SFAs) diet my numbers were:

    Cholesterol, total 167 mg/dL
    LDL 99 mg/dL
    VLDL 11 mg/dL
    HDL 57 mg/dL
    Triglycerides 55 mg/dL

    I know your post was not directed at me, just saying. "over-consumption of fructose in whatever form" does not raise triglyceride levels. It's more complex than that and it's all about context. High fructose + high polyunsaturated fat intake would be a different story.

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