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    You apparently only get your "facts" from Faux News. Obama won in a landslide b/c the Republican party has handed over its credibility to a bunch of crazed idiots. And apparently the remaining sane Republicans don't have the kahunas to stand up to these nut jobs. It would take a miracle for the Republican party to recover from this, so your election predictions are from deep fantasy land.

    Give it a break, huh?
    Tea Party or whatever crazy you are referencing had little to do with Obama winning. Obama won because people don't pay attention to issues and there is an obvious and glaring inability to hold people accountable in this country. Further, he won because of his celebrity which many value more than any issue in our reality tv world.

    The Democrats have plenty, and I mean plenty, of nuts on their side. Aside from that, they believe in policies that flat out keep people poor and perpetuate all of the problems people in poverty face. The ACA is an utter failure to the middle class and I have seen little discussion in this thread about what it will mean for the job market.

    As to when a GOP candidate will win a national election, it all depends on the candidates. The ACA will have such a negative impact on the middle class and this country has some very real and serious structual problems and huge debt issues that are only going to get worse with the ACA if the GOP puts up a decent candidate who comes up with some nonsense like "hope and change" that will sway the ignorant, he/she will walk in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by john_e_turner_ii View Post
    Keep voting Republican or Democrat. I am sure they will eventually get it right.
    Solid gold lol

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    Even if you have healthcare through your employer costs are going up and choices are being reduced.
    Then there is my sister, whose employer (a college) moved her from full time to part time at less than 30 hours to avoid paying for her health care. She had to take a second part time job to continue to do the teaching she loves-and has no health care from either employer, while not being able to afford the "affordable" policies offered.
    What a mess....

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    Quote Originally Posted by john_e_turner_ii View Post
    Keep voting Republican or Democrat. I am sure they will eventually get it right.
    Keep expecting politicians to be able to solve the world's problems. I'm sure one of them will eventually figure it out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RichMahogany View Post
    Keep expecting politicians to be able to solve the world's problems. I'm sure one of them will eventually figure it out.
    Exactly. It's funny how we blame them, but yet we keep voting them back in. The finger should be pointed at ourselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by john_e_turner_ii View Post
    Exactly. It's funny how we blame them, but yet we keep voting them back in. The finger should be pointed at ourselves.
    My point was waiting around for the government to fix anything is like waiting for the cable guy to actually show up between 10 a.m. and 2 p.m., except the cable guy will actually show up eventually. It doesn't matter who you vote for, because the system is designed to fail, and you can't make a success of a system that's designed to fail by building it out of better parts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheyCallMeLazarus View Post
    For me, the most instructive thing about this outrageously long thread and the constant tin-foil hat stuff from Grizz is exactly why this guy is still the President.....

    Let me put this bluntly:
    The Republicans will not win another national election in 2016, 2018, or 2020. They have allowed rabid crazies to say whatever they want with impunity, and to allow these voices to be THE ENTIRE VOICE OF OPPOSITION to the Democrats....seeing as most people find these people and their views to be repulsive, ...
    Interesting story of your experience and a lot of people need to hear "police your own". But it could have been summed up simply as the usual voting experience of Voting for the Lesser of Evils.

    Liberals appear to have the same challenge. Reflected in their silent majority; those who don't bother to vote out of fear of being labeled radical-lab-blowing-up-lefties.

    And hey GRIZZ (maybe you are here, not working on the ol' house). Explain please, how exactly should anyone in this county interpret the sleazy, cheap, underhanded trick the Repubs pulled with House Resolution 368? Lets see, "Where any member of the House previously could have brought the clean resolution to the floor under House Rule 22, House Resolution 368 -- passed on the eve of the shutdown -- gave that right exclusively to the House majority leader, Rep. Eric Cantor of Virginia."

    Was this to keep Boehner under control? Was this stupid, nihilistic choice even thought out?! So, Cantor gets in a car accident and then NO ONE can propose a clean resolution is voted on? Interesting. Sounds like a Cantor was crowned Oligarch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheyCallMeLazarus View Post
    I am a physician, so I figure I have something worse contributing here....

    -- "Personal responsibility" is not a realistic argument in regards to healthcare, for as much as I propagate it in other things. Someone can be responsible all day long, but when they get hit by a bus or have a massive heart attack, the time and costs associated cannot be handled by one person, or family. Everyone is all about being responsible, until their family member gets a 500k medical bill....the "personal responsibility" argument, if applied here, would mean that they are now contractually obligated to pay that money, with interest. If they are deemed unable, as most would be, the "responsible" thing to do would be to liquidate all of their assets, as well as the family's assets. Whatever is left would be garnished from wages, for as long as it takes, by whatever kin they had. If that means your great grandkids are paying for your 1.5 mil end of life care 40 years later, so be it. You should have done the responsible thing and killed yourself as to not burden them.These are the laws we assign to all other commodities and assets/loans. Why should your death be any different? ....the reality is that caring for our sick REQUIRES us working together, allocating costs into pools, insurance, etc. This is not a reason for the ACA to exist, as it is a terrible, usurious law, but it is a reason why most of its opponents are totally idealistic and clueless.

    -- The ACA is not socialistic at all. It is a law that mandates that one purchase something from a PRIVATE company, or face government penalty. That is fascism. Big difference. It was originally a republican idea from the 90's, the individual mandate. The entire law was written by pharma, insurers, and hospital networks. It is a corporatist masterpiece.

    Overall, my main problem with bashing Obamacare is that these same people often have no better ideas. I am opposed to the idea that a country should be basing 1/5 of its economy on making money from sick people. That is an immoral, repugnant idea. For me, any system that does not take this on fundamentally will not work, period.

    One could get millions of horror stories from people that have gone bankrupt, seen family members die due to not affording care, or the other terrible sides to having a "sickness for profit" system in place. That is the problem. The current law or the previous ones are only re-arranging deck chairs. I did not become a physician to make money, but to help people. Make med school free (as it is in many other places, and was here for decades), make it so we aren't paying 300k in loans back, and then set salary rates that are big enough to keep it as incentive.

    With our salaries taken care of, we could then target the true con-men and beneficiaries of Obamacare: insurers (30 million new customers by LAW! HOLY hell, thank you!), private hospital networks, and pharma. They wrote it themselves, for themselves.

    Just saying, "personal responsibility" is a fantasy in healthcare. There are good solutions, but that sure as hell isn't one of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by canio6 View Post
    ^This. I am so tired of our gov't half assing everything.
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