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    Obamacare is the biggest corporatist scandal ever. It's more government coercion, and a pyramid scheme.

    Old healthcare:
    You pay a large for profit corporation for healthcare if you want it.

    European healthcare:
    You pay a large corporation or government for healthcare that is nonprofit.

    Obamacare:
    You are forced to pay a forprofit healthcare megacorp along with some other texts which in the end overall fuck over poor and middle class people while benefiting the suits in government and corporations.

    The only ones who benefit are the parasitic people leeching off the the backs of everyone else already, but still can't afford tests and drug prescriptions. Shanaynaylafonda certainly is enjoying your tax money for her phone, food stamps, and healthcare while she spends her government aided money on a new Guchi bag. Fuck this stupid fascist failed socialist country.
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    They wrote it themselves, for themselves.
    Oh heck yeah, now they can charge $315 for a plan that used to be $115.

    I'm a little, wtf, last year I had a $115 a month plan with a $3500 deductible. Come January 1, I will pay $315 a month for a plan with a $6750 deductible. If I made $25,000 a year, this plan would cost me $115 a month. The only "improvement" in coverage is now I'm covered for maternity. In the past that was an option that added $100 a month to the premium.

    So.... I'm super confused how this is helping more or even helping someone with less money, as they could have had a $115 a month plan without a government subsidy. Lest we bring up the uninsurable, our state had a pool that insured high risk at high, but not "out of reach" premiums - My friend with diabetes used this- her premium was like $400-$500 a month.

    It seems like a field day for insurers who are feed at the government trough and have an excuse to raise everyone's rates.

    And the lack of competition in my state is not comforting.

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    This....this is why, despite anything else written, is why I appreciate Derp.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheyCallMeLazarus View Post
    This....this is why, despite anything else written, is why I appreciate Derp.
    Agreed. This line sums up pretty much my entire way of thinking lately, "Fuck this stupid fascist failed socialist country. " Well said, Derp.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheyCallMeLazarus View Post
    This....this is why, despite anything else written, is why I appreciate Derp.
    I like you too man
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    An interesting talk by Doug McGuff here. Not my views per say, but he shares some good "history":

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheyCallMeLazarus View Post
    I am a physician, so I figure I have something worse contributing here....
    Just saying, "personal responsibility" is a fantasy in healthcare. There are good solutions, but that sure as hell isn't one of them.
    I'm very happy to see you here. The current medical system is seriously broken. Here are the examples I am most familiar with:
    Iodine supplements CURE the following disease which are caused by severe iodine deficiency:
    • Hypothyroid - Doctors insist on thyroid drugs or surgery
    • Fibrocystic Breast Disease - Doctors insist on pain killers or mastectomy
    • Ovary Cysts - - Doctors insist in surgery
    • Uterus fibroids & cysts - Doctors insist on surgery

    I have testimonials to prove these statements, most from right here at MDA.
    http://tinyurl.com/iodine-testimonials

    It is extremely expensive because there is no attempt to cure problems with nutrition. Med schools no longer teach these subjects that were prevailant prior to WWII.

    The entire system needs to be overhauled to reduce costs, such as prescribe iodine instead of surgeries.

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    There was no question that there WAS a problem with how it was run before....its that the solution is likely worse, overall than the original problem.

    Problem before = A two-tiered system, where people that were very sick, uninsured, or with insurance and actually GOT SICK were screwed on an unimaginable scale. Most common cause of bankruptcy, many hospital ER's shutting down because of how much money they lose, people with severe medical conditions made de-facto destitute....the OTHER tier though got cheaper insurance, would still be helped if they were uninsured and got gored, had it overall pretty good IF they were healthy.

    New problem = everyone must pay, by law, for the subsidizing and care of that first tier above. Now we all have to get a taste of what they had been getting for years. Costs will go up for the average healthy, middle-class person, down drastically for the very sick.

    What no one ever addresses though, with either problem, is that the bill is just too high....if we all go out to dinner and the bill is outrageous, it makes little difference on how we divy it up. The smarter thing would be to pick a cheaper restaurant. LOWER the damn bill.

    But alas, dear grasshopper, that is out of the question....because healthcare, sickness, MUST make money for our elites. This amount must go up every year, or their stock prices go down and they get sad faces.

    Anything that is predicated on profit is doomed to fail. That is the reality.
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    It's very unfortunate that the ACA did nothing about hospital pricing. The pricing issue is conducive to extreme outrage all by itself.
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