nah. when you're fatter your metabolism is actually higher anyway, because all those fat stores require a huge amount of energy. when you drop the weight, your metabolism slows down naturally and you eat less.
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SB was pointing out that low carb has appetite suppression as a quality and that may help people to lose weight. Choco claimed your metabolic rate may drop even lower than your appetite. Really there is no actual data to prove Choco's stance as most ad libitum studies on consumption favor a low carbohydrate diet for weight loss. So I think SB was looking for some evidence to the contrary, if choco wished to maintain a stance that so clearly went against several human trials.
Oh, and if anyone is interested Pklopp did a nice post on very low calorie and starvation and all. He also did 5 weeks of very low calorie/ very low carb with a strength protocol to get "abs lean".....seriously.... "abs lean" isn't easy. As a man doing his level of activity I'd hate to live on 1500 calories a day for five weeks: http://cogitoergoedo.com/2013/06/06/enough-calories/
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"I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.
In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."
- Ray Peat
I eat more now than I was when I started Primal, I can lift approximately 50% more, yet I weigh 10 lbs less. My body better handles the calories I consume, and my hands and feet are typically always warm whereas before they were not. I still carry more body fat than I'd like - but I imagine it'll take many years of slow adipose tissue turnover to optimize my hormone patterns to the way I eat now.
I definitely BURN a lot more calories now, though. I'm always shaking my legs and bouncing them up and down when I'm sitting at work and I can't sit still for more than 30-40 minutes before I have to get up and walk around. I wasn't ever like this before. Yes, I eat more food but I also move around a lot more and lift more weight, so it is a balance. When I cut calories and carbohydrate, I get colder, I don't bounce around as much, I don't talk as much and I can't bring myself to move around. It really makes a huge difference.
The body scales your activity to your diet is what I've found. However, it's still CICO. The CO is just as variable as the CI.
At labor day, I was down to 140.5 lbs. Fairly effortlessly. I have been slowly gaining some weight since and I am up to 144 lbs. The plan is until March to get myself to about 160 lbs while greatly increasing my lifting in an attempt to pile on some muscle. It'll be interesting to see how much more I'm going to have to eat and how quickly the weight will come on. The goal is steak, eggs, cold potatoes, fruit and soluble fiber-based vegetables (cucumbers, tomatoes, carrots, peppers) while sedentary and steak, hot potatoes, plantains and nixtamalized corn (tortillas, polenta) and homemade ice cream while active. Last year I gained weight by adding nuts and cheese to everything since it was easy and delicious, and it came on very fast but it was about 40% fat/60% muscle. I'd like to see if I could do better by adding sugar and starch instead of fat.
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