I do not hate conservatives or liberals, because both terms are completely invented and useless....the groups that have been in power are not democrats or republicans, Bush or Obama. The people in charge are the corporations. Now, one could have a knockdown, drag out fight over left vs right ONCE these people are not in charge, but they ARE in charge and have been for about 35 years, since Reagan.
Originally Posted by EagleRiverDee
The primary mechanism for the truly powerful to maintain their grip is to create 3 groups: 1) Apathetic, anesthetized people 2) "Conservatives" to preoccupy with how terrible it would be for the "liberals" to get in charge 3) "Progressives" to do the same regarding conservatives....in both cases, the idea is to keep those who DO pay attention to hate each other, balance each other out, and allow for them to continue to do whatever they want. MSNBC, Fox news, Limbaugh, or Ed Shultz, all of it is to give those who are pissed off an outlet for their anger, give it a name, and ensure it doesn't actually change anything.
I consider myself an extreme conservative, in that I would prefer things went back in this country about 200 years.
In that time, the "corporation" was a borrowed legal entity of Britain....when we became independent, there was a large debate among many founders of whether the entire legal framework of the corporation should be banned in the US...many had just spent years battling the Wal-marts of their day, such as the East India Company, over predatory and Anti-American business practices. Eventually, the fury grew to the point that they revolted by force, resulting in the Boston Tea Party. The East India Company had just gotten a tax credit by the crown that would effectively subsidize its rule over American business. The Tea Party did not happen because of "taxes being too high". It happened because a British corporation, the largest of its day, had gotten a tax break while the American business owner got his increased. There was a reason it was THEIR tea getting thrown into Boston Harbor.
In short, the founders were very weary of what a bank, or large company, could do to liberty. The government itself can also steal it away, as had also been done to them, but corporations were to be run for the people, not at their detriment.
"I wish in my life to crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country." -- Thomas Jefferson, 1816
"Incorporated companies with proper limitations and guards may, in particular cases, be useful; but they are at best a necessary evil only." -- James Madison, 1827
With quotes like these, it must also be understood that the founders were very PRO property rights, influenced much as they were by John Locke. They were extremists in this area by modern standards, as am I.
That is the hang-up that modern "conservatives" don't understand; that it is possible to be very strongly pro property rights, but also very ANTI-corporation. One is individual, the other a collective legal entity only....I believe in a self-serving, self-governing democracy in which all things exist only by the will, and for the benefit of, the people and the protection of their individual liberty, with an agrarian slant. That is what we were founded on.
Anything which can come in and over-rule that liberty, whether it is a government dictating to me what my woodstove has to have around it, or a corporation that is allowed to collude to make basic services outlandishly expensive (ex, the internet you are seeing this on costs 5-10X what it does in most countries), that is a theft of liberty as assuredly as a high tax rate is.
To call the modern Chicago school, NAFTA, corporate take-over "conservatism" is a sad and deceptive delusion of terms to me. These are not conserving what we were founded on, they are corporatists, which our founders would abhor.
I supported Ron Paul, made calls for him in NH last year not because I agree with him 100%. I don't. I think some of his ideas are fantastical and insane...but he was the only non-corporatist on either side. That is all that matters to me. Right or left is a delusion, a useful one at that.
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