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    We now have little self control over our binge eating, study says

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    Anyone seen this news story, referring to some recent research?

    We have little control over our desire to binge on delicious food, says study | Learning The Steel

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    How much of a role did self-control play in your Primal journey? How much of a role does discipline play for you?

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    I bet they have a new drug to treat this "disorder".
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    It may be somewhat true with the psychotic frankenfoods we're having foisted upon us by CW, but once those go out the door into the dumpster I find it easy to maintain control.
    Eat like a Beast, feel like a Beast!
    Eat from a huge bag of processed junk... Well... You know.

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    I agree. Once I changed my mindset about what is "food" and what is "not food" , and then spent some time feeling great eating this way, now I don't even feel like it takes discipline at all, it's just the way I eat. Some level of vigilance or self-monitoring is still necessary but it's not hard, certainly not impossible to resist temptation.

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    once those go out the door into the dumpster I find it easy to maintain control.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ConnorBryant View Post
    No, I hadn't.

    Any thoughts?
    Russian dolls.

    What I mean is this is something inside something inside something ... and so on.

    Your link is to a blog called "Learning The Steel". That links to an article in The Vancouver Sun. That Sun in its turn is reporting a news item syndicated from:

    BY CHERRILL HICKS, LONDON DAILY TELEGRAPH
    I suppose if i found the article in the Telegraph (link not given by the Sun) I might perhaps find a link to the original paper.

    But, to be frank, this is fairly familiar stuff and I can't be bothered.

    OK. Let's work with the Vancouver Sun -- since that's what we have.

    Scientists no longer blame greed or lack of self-control for tendency to binge on high-fat, high-sugar foods. Rather, the urge to finish off those Pringles is now thought to be due to hedonic hunger, a powerful physiological response over which we have little control.
    It's very blustering and important-sounding, but does it say a lot? "Binge" is very dramatic. But how many people really do "binge"? Does anyone really know? Then we get:

    high-fat, high-sugar foods
    But is the problem "high-fat, high-sugar foods"? Or might it be high-fat foods? Or "high-sugar foods? Or is it something else again?

    Did they properly control whatever experiment they actually carried out for such variables? .... or did they jump to conclusions (or simply get on with peddling a pet theory)? We never learn. And the Vancouver Sun is not asking. It's filling column inches, and it simply doesn't care.

    Let's pass on:

    Experts believe there are two drivers behind what and how much we eat.

    The first, the homeostatic system, regulates appetite according to the body's need for energy. Homeostasis is controlled by communication between the brain and the digestive system so when we are in an energy deficit we get signals such as shakiness (caused by low blood-sugar levels), stomach rumbles and hunger pangs.
    Oh ... "experts".

    That's dubious. Gary Taubes, who has more of a background in science (and philosophy of science) than most *cough* "obesity researchers" would certainly give you an argument on that. Sometimes people are specialised to the point where they "can't see the wood for the trees" ... besides being invested in particular theories.

    And now we'll proceed further:

    But the second driver, hedonic hunger, can override the former. It is defined as a physiological response, involving the brain's "reward centres" to smelling, seeing and thinking about certain foods.
    So now we have a word for it. "Hedonic hunger". So it must be so.

    But, at bottom, what's still sitting behind this is the so-called "bank account model" of eating. What they're, in effect, saying is that people are overweight purely and simply because they eat too damn much. The only difference is that they've re-assigned the "blame" from the individual to the food manufacturer.

    Well, yeah, maybe ... I've very little time for food manufacturers. I'd take a pretty dim view of them for other reasons even if I knew incontrovertibly this theory was a load of rubbish. But the truth is the truth, and it matters.

    I think there may be something in this (already very familiar) theory. But even if there is how much it matters ...

    I think obesity may mostly be down to what you eat, not "how much". In short, I think the low-carb explanation may well be the right one. I don't tend to eat particularly low-carb myself, mostly because I can't be bothered. Maybe that's why my waistline has started expanding again. LOL. In short ...

    Take note of what Taubes is up to.

    Watch this space.

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    A load of crap. Just another excuse to make a pill to control the so called uncontrollable urge and blame it all on the big bad food companies.

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    Agreed Agreed.

    The finding of something called "hedonic hunger" is nice. But of limited use.
    Giving a set of symptoms a label and thus making it into an actual "thing" is useful for diagnostics and further research etc...but it can artificially inflate the importance of what it is....

    My main problem with the article is that it doesn't peel back the layers enough.
    Despite the new terms of hedonic hunger, the reasons for eating for pleasure etc.... it still all comes down to willpower and discipline in the end, in the first instance to get started on good eating.

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    good. once those go out the door into the dumpster I find it easy to maintain control.

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