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    Getting Enough Nutrition and Calories

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    This has probably been talked about before but I needed some specific help. I'll try to keep this short and sweet.

    Went strict paleo last year for a month. I do believe that I have gluten sensitivity. By day 3 my bloated stomach had started to go down. However, I could not maintain the lifestyle for a few reasons. Money, accessibility, and lack or organization.

    I'm now back to eating poorly because I couldn't keep up with paleo (and I was always hungry). But because of that I realize that I am not well (aches, pins and needles, same IBS problems, low energy etc)

    Unfortunately, one of the things that happened when I was on paleo was...my hair started to thin, which has never happened to me before. That is making me really fearful of going paleo again. I can only guess it was because I wasn't eating enough or lack of nutrients or I suffer from leaky gut and paleo alone hasn't helped. To be fair, I was grain and sugar free, but maybe wasn't consuming other things. I really don't want to have to go to a doctor for help because I'm not too optimistic about what they can offer me diet wise. It took my hair 6 months to start growing back thicker (and that was on a very poor diet) and I'm not sure how to avoid it thinning again if I were to take up the lifestyle once more.

    I cannot be sure but I believe I have leaky gut. There aren't a lot of foods that I have an immediate reaction to and often feel the effects days later.

    What could be the problem? How can I go about healing (what I believe is) leaky gut without professional help?
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    What is "paleo" to you? What were you eating? Take us through what a paleo day looks like. I am just wondering if you were going all-out and getting the pricey cuts of meat & organic everything because you can do well enough without all of that.

    Thinning hair could be from any number of things. If you suffer from leaky gut, you might want to look into the Specific Carbohydrate Diet which works as a paleo elimination diet, basically. It's helpful for identifying the problematic foods. Check out SCDLifestyle.com. The intro diet is basically chicken soup, pretty affordable and easy . I'm working may way through it now and have noticed a lot of improvement with digestion (I have IBS-C/D).
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    If good food makes your hair thin I'd just live bald.

    Liver and egg yolks. Make sure your eating plenty of em next time round.

    Like nameless said on the leaky gut SCD and GAPS are both good protocols.

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    Yes I'm sure the reintroduction of grains and processed edible junk will fill you up more and make your hair thicker :P

    Paleo isn't this prescribed thing, or it doesn't have to be. You only limit yourself with your choices. Eating real whole food should provide more than adequate nutrition, and if it isn't, it you're hungry, you have to look at what you're doing wrong.

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    Your goal weight is negative 150? Attainable goals would also be a good start

    OP, how long have you been on paleo for your longest stint? My understanding is that when you lose hair its actually associated with what was your diet was 3+ months prior to the onset of loss. So if you have not done it for more than say 6 months I would say you never got beyond the acclimation stage and really let all that crap you ate for so many years work its way out of your system. Stress and illness are other factors, so low calorie eating could really be a big issue.
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    namelesswonder: Eggs were what I ate most mornings. I'd add some spinach. I'd try to include vegetables with every meal (it was something I wasn't getting enough of before that). I tried to get as organic as I could but it wasn't possible (and I live in a pathetic little town where you can't get a lot of organic/clean things.) I got grassfed beef when it was affordable, which was almost never ($7 or so for a pound of ground.) I'd have to travel quite a ways to get a lot of Paleo ingredients. Since I didn't have much I had to choose between lunch and dinner and usually that meant not eating lunch (which in turn would make me ravenous by dinner.) I tried not to eat a lot of fruit but I did for the first few days. I thought if I ate enough at breakfast I could go longer without eating.

    I realize thinning hair can be caused by other things (and I admit I was going through a lot of stress at the time, which was mostly health related.) I'll check out GAPS/SCD diet. I'm kind of afraid of elimination diets because I really don't want to mess up my system by reintroducing something that was hurting me. (Pain and I don't get along.) I also have IBS-C (sometimes D but rarely). I realized that Paleo alone was just not helping with my IBS so I thought there might be some bacterial issues that would need more work.

    Neckhammer: Hmm. I never said that paleo MADE my hair thin. As for my goal weight, negative 150 meant LESS THAN 150. I suppose I should have used > instead of -. In which case, my bad. My weight in HS was 151 so I felt less than that would have been a good place to go. My height of 5'3 classifies me as being petite but since I have a thicker frame, I can't say definitively what weight would be good for me. 145 is obtainable…135…maybe. 125…probably not. Therefore, I didn't have a concrete number in mind.

    Allenete: Wow okay. I never said that either. What I was trying to say was, even though I was eating crappy food, PERHAPS I was getting more calories than I was when I was doing Paleo. And obviously I know I was doing something wrong otherwise I wouldn't have made this post.

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    I'm not really sure why I'm getting a lot of smart remarks about this. I hope this isn't the norm.

    In any case, the purpose of this post was trying to find a way to heal myself without having to waste time, money and energy finding a professional (knowing I won't be getting any real help with diet from a doctor and how may doctors recommend a nutritionist/dietician). Thanks namelesswonder for the tip about GAPS and SCD. I will do some research into this. I hope that it heals you. IBS sucks.
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    Byakko, it sounds to me like you have a fair bit of stress, are worried about your health, and have dabbled in paleo a bit with mixed results that only add to your worries. It would seem to be a good idea to tackle your issues on more than one front by both cleaning up your diet as well as going to the doctor for a proper diagnosis so you actually know what you're up against. It may be something else altogether, but it's better to know. And of course, learning to manage the stress in your life.

    As for eating primally, I really truly believe it's got to be better for you than eating poorly. However, there's no point either in going hungry because you can't find the perfect meal. Feed yourself as well as possible and just try to make sure you shun the worst offenders - processed items, seed oils, wheat and excess sugars - at least 90% of the time. It takes time to learn to manage a new kind of lifestyle so there will be hiccups along the way but stick at it and it will get easier and you will reap the benefits. Good luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Annieh View Post
    Byakko, it sounds to me like you have a fair bit of stress, are worried about your health, and have dabbled in paleo a bit with mixed results that only add to your worries. It would seem to be a good idea to tackle your issues on more than one front by both cleaning up your diet as well as going to the doctor for a proper diagnosis so you actually know what you're up against. It may be something else altogether, but it's better to know. And of course, learning to manage the stress in your life.

    As for eating primally, I really truly believe it's got to be better for you than eating poorly. However, there's no point either in going hungry because you can't find the perfect meal. Feed yourself as well as possible and just try to make sure you shun the worst offenders - processed items, seed oils, wheat and excess sugars - at least 90% of the time. It takes time to learn to manage a new kind of lifestyle so there will be hiccups along the way but stick at it and it will get easier and you will reap the benefits. Good luck.
    I've taken a few tests in the last year and everything has come up negative (I've even been to a GI specialist). While that is good, it unfortunately never helped lead me to what is really wrong. I'm reluctant to seek professional help because a) it's expensive b) I haven't had much faith in doctors. I've decided to contact my GP one last time and ask specifically if he can recommend a dietitian to help me get on track with my nutrients. I went to him before over this matter and nothing was done.

    And you're right. I am stressed, easily so. When I have IBS flares it causes me a great amount of pain, it usually happens at night which causes me to lose sleep and the only medication I have for it makes me sleep. I suppose I'm stressed because I'm desperate for some guidance. Not sure if posting here was the right move but again, I was desperate.

    I never meant to eat poorly to try to fix anything otherwise I wouldn't have tried Paleo. I got so overwhelmed and disorganized with primal eating (not to mention stressed about that) that I eventually let it go because I was causing myself harm by being stressed. The problem, I feel, was that I wasn't getting enough of something (though I suspect I have leaky gut, which means even clean paleo wouldn't fix my IBS problems). I was grain free, sugar free and dairy free, yet I wasn't improving.

    I appreciate your well thought out response. Even though it feels really hopeless right now, I'll try not to give up.
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    You sound like a victim, not a conqueror. This will get you nowhere. If you want to attack stress you have to attack it. Your words sound weak, like whimpering cries for help. You are the only person who can help you. Slay your demons instead of parading them around. It also sounds like you spend a lot of time sitting around thinking about yourself. Get out, have fun, do stuff. Then eat a LOT of good food. Relax.


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    I really don't see what is so stressful or complicated about buying meat, fish, eggs and vegetables. I can't get super high quality meats right now, but I do the best I can, and get the best eggs I can. I do what is feasible so long as its healthy. Eat real food. The thing I really want to do next is more organ meat. I already love liver, but getting my hands on other stuff is tough.

    Stop thinking like these are difficult guidelines. You have a plethora of food to choose from. Stock up on meat, fish, eggs and vegetables. Eat them. That's all there is to it. You are making something brutally easy horrifyingly complex and I'm not even sure how you can do that.

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