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    Quote Originally Posted by Grizz View Post
    We don't care about blood change. That is automatically controlled by our metabolism. We also don't care about which minerals are being excreted. Our body takes care of that.

    All we care about is the average PH reading on our urine. Very simple.
    If the PH reading is abnormal, we change our diet per this link:
    Top 12 Ways to Make your Body More Alkaline | Icon Performance Online v3
    All you are doing is making your urine more alkaline. You are not making your body more alkaline. Do you not get the difference?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grizz View Post
    We don't care about blood change. That is automatically controlled by our metabolism. We also don't care about which minerals are being excreted. Our body takes care of that.

    All we care about is the average PH reading on our urine. Very simple.
    If the PH reading is abnormal, we change our diet per this link:
    Top 12 Ways to Make your Body More Alkaline | Icon Performance Online v3
    This works for me.

    Stop trying to make a mountain out of a molehill.

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    If our bodies and our metabolisms are taking care of ph and mineral levels automagically, what are we measuring?

    The only way that I could see there be some truth to this is if our bodies get chronically stressed "automatically" adjusting PH all day, every day. This effect would be unmeasurable because it would be happening all internally.


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    Quote Originally Posted by dilberryhoundog View Post
    If our bodies and our metabolisms are taking care of ph and mineral levels automagically, what are we measuring?

    The only way that I could see there be some truth to this is if our bodies get chronically stressed "automatically" adjusting PH all day, every day. This effect would be unmeasurable because it would be happening all internally.

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    The body PH and the Blood PH are not the same thing. Our metabolism tries to keep blood PH perfect even if the body PH is sickly acidic. It is the Body PH that is reflected in measuring urine & saliva PH levels.

    Body pH and the Cardiovascular System

    Does pH have a bearing on the health of or blood vessels? The answer to that question is yes.

    How important is Blood pH? If the ideal state of 7.45 is increased or decreased by just a fraction of a point, the results can be sickness or even death.

    If blood has a correct alkaline environment, the oxygen supply which the blood carries to every organ of your body will be magnified.

    If cell membranes of the arteries and veins, as well as the heart, become eroded because of constant blood acidity, it can lead to weak and damaged smooth muscle cells, with lesions and tears occurring throughout the system. Damaged artery walls lead to atherosclerosis, thickening of artery walls, and blood clots that can lead to stroke.

    The correct blood pH balance is also related to the correct ion balance. Acid blood causes too many ions to become positively charged, and affects the contracting and relaxing of smooth muscle, which can cause persistent high blood pressure.

    Diet Changes Body pH

    Your diet is the main cause of changes in the pH of your body. This is very natural. The residue left behind after the metabolic processes of fat, carbohydrate, and protein digestion is acid "ash".

    The more you eat of these foods the more acidic your body becomes. Most fruits and vegetables will give your body the minerals it requires to act as a buffer, returning it to an alkaline or base state.
    Body pH and Your Blood Pressure
    So in summary, the pH Test strips are quick and easy way to see if our diet is optimal to maintain body PH at the correct level for optimal health. This does not mean a vegan diet. It does mean balancing veggies with protein. The goal is what we all want: A balanced diet.

    Very minor changes in my own diet have resulted in my urine pH improving by a factor of 100 times less acidic, going from 5.0 to 7.0

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grizz View Post
    The body PH and the Blood PH are not the same thing. Our metabolism tries to keep blood PH perfect even if the body PH is sickly acidic. It is the Body PH that is reflected in measuring urine & saliva PH levels.

    Grizz
    I was quoting your words. I thought you'd recognise your own words when I summarised your statement. I'm mean it was in the quoted text.


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    Quote Originally Posted by dilberryhoundog View Post
    I was quoting your words. I thought you'd recognise your own words when I summarised your statement. I'm mean it was in the quoted text.
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    Here is what I said:
    We don't care about blood change. That is automatically controlled by our metabolism. We also don't care about which minerals are being excreted. Our body takes care of that.

    All we care about is the average PH reading on our urine. Very simple.
    If the PH reading is abnormal, we change our diet per this link:
    Top 12 Ways to Make your Body More Alkaline | Icon Performance Online v3
    This works for me.
    The body PH and the blood ph are not the same.

    Here is what you said:
    If our bodies and our metabolisms are taking care of ph and mineral levels automagically, what are we measuring?
    We are measuring urine pH which reflects body pH and diet.
    This is very simple. If our average urine pH is too acidic, then we need to change our diet.

    Grizz
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    The Truth About Alkalizing Your Blood
    by Dr. Ben Kim
    I like this article because Dr. Kim is scientifically correct, and explains WHY we need to monitor our pH occasionally and WHY we need to change our diet according to our pH measurement.

    Is it true that the foods and beverages you consume cause your blood to become more alkaline or acidic?

    Contrary to popular hype, the answer is: not to any significant degree.

    The pH of your blood is tightly regulated by a complex system of buffers that are continuously at work to maintain a range of 7.35 to 7.45, which is slightly more alkaline than pure water.

    If the pH of your blood falls below 7.35, the result is a condition called acidosis, a state that leads to central nervous system depression. Severe acidosis - where blood pH falls below 7.00 - can lead to a coma and even death.

    If the pH of your blood rises above 7.45, the result is alkalosis. Severe alkalosis can also lead to death, but through a different mechanism; alkalosis causes all of the nerves in your body to become hypersensitive and over-excitable, often resulting in muscle spasms, nervousness, and convulsions; it's usually the convulsions that cause death in severe cases.

    The bottom line is that if you're breathing and going about your daily activities, your body is doing an adequate job of keeping your blood pH somewhere between 7.35 to 7.45, and the foods that you are eating are not causing any wild deviations of your blood pH.

    So what's up with all the hype about the need to alkalize your body? And what's to be made of the claim that being too acidic can cause osteoporosis, kidney stones, and a number of other undesirable health challenges?

    As usual, the answers to such questions about human health can be found in understanding basic principles of human physiology. So let's take a look at the fundamentals of pH and how your body regulates the acid-alkaline balance of its fluids on a moment-to-moment basis.

    pH is a measure of how acidic or alkaline a liquid is. With respect to your health, the liquids involved are your body fluids, which can be categorized into two main groups:

    Intracellular fluid, which is the fluid found in all of your cells. Intracellular fluid is often called cytosol, and makes up about two-thirds of the total amount of fluid in your body.

    Extracellular fluid, which is the fluid found outside of your cells. Extracellular fluids are further classified as one of two types:

    Plasma, which is fluid that makes up your blood.

    Interstitial fluid, which occupies all of the spaces that surround your tissues. Interstitial fluid includes the fluids found in your eyes, lymphatic system, joints, nervous system, and between the protective membranes that surround your cardiovascular, respiratory, and abdominal cavities.


    Your blood (plasma) needs to maintain a pH of 7.35 to 7.45 for your cells to function properly. Why your cells require your blood to maintain a pH in this range to stay healthy is beyond the scope of this article, but the most important reason is that all of the proteins that work in your body have to maintain a specific geometric shape to function, and the three-dimensional shapes of the proteins in your body are affected by the tiniest changes in the pH of your body fluids.

    The pH scale ranges from 0 to 14. A liquid that has a pH of 7 is considered to be neutral (pure water is generally considered to have a neutral pH). Fluids that have a pH below 7 - like lemon juice and coffee - are considered to be acidic. And fluids that have a pH above 7 - like human blood and milk of magnesia - are considered to be alkaline.

    It's important to note that on the pH scale, each number represents a tenfold difference from adjacent numbers; in other words, a liquid that has a pH of 6 is ten times more acidic than a liquid that has a pH of 7, and a liquid with a pH of 5 is one hundred times more acidic than pure water. Most carbonated soft drinks (pop) have a pH of about 3, making them about ten thousand times more acidic than pure water. Please remember this the next time you think about drinking a can of pop.

    When you ingest foods and liquids, the end products of digestion and assimilation of nutrients often results in an acid or alkaline-forming effect - the end products are sometimes called acid ash or alkaline ash.

    Also, as your cells produce energy on a continual basis, a number of different acids are formed and released into your body fluids. These acids - generated by your everyday metabolic activities - are unavoidable; as long as your body has to generate energy to survive, it will produce a continuous supply of acids.

    So there are two main forces at work on a daily basis that can disrupt the pH of your body fluids - these forces are the acid or alkaline-forming effects of foods and liquids that you ingest, and the acids that you generate through regular metabolic activities. Fortunately, your body has three major mechanisms at work at all times to prevent these forces from shifting the pH of your blood outside of the 7.35 to 7.45 range.

    These mechanisms are:

    Buffer Systems

    Carbonic Acid-Bicarbonate Buffer System
    Protein Buffer System
    Phosphate Buffer System
    Exhalation of Carbon Dioxide

    Elimination of Hydrogen Ions via Kidneys

    It's not in the scope of this post to discuss the mechanisms listed above in detail. For this article, I only want to point out that these systems are in place to prevent dietary, metabolic, and other factors from pushing the pH of your blood outside of the 7.35 to 7.45 range.

    When people encourage you to "alkalize your blood," most of them mean that you should eat plenty of foods that have an alkaline-forming effect on your system. The reason for making this suggestion is that the vast majority of highly processed foods - like white flour products and white sugar - have an acid-forming effect on your system, and if you spend years eating a poor diet that is mainly acid-forming, you will overwork some of the buffering systems mentioned above to a point where you could create undesirable changes in your health.

    For example, your phosphate buffer system uses different phosphate ions in your body to neutralize strong acids and bases. About 85% of the phosphate ions that are used in your phosphate buffer system comes from calcium phosphate salts, which are structural components of your bones and teeth. If your body fluids are regularly exposed to large quantities of acid-forming foods and liquids, your body will draw upon its calcium phosphate reserves to supply your phosphate buffer system to neutralize the acid-forming effects of your diet. Over time, this may lead to structural weakness in your bones and teeth.

    Drawing on your calcium phosphate reserves at a high rate can also increase the amount of calcium that is eliminated via your genito-urinary system, which is why a predominantly acid-forming diet can increase your risk of developing calcium-rich kidney stones.

    This is just one example of how your buffering systems can be overtaxed to a point where you experience negative health consequences. Since your buffering systems have to work all the time anyway to neutralize the acids that are formed from everyday metabolic activities, it's in your best interest to follow a diet that doesn't create unnecessary work for your buffering systems.

    Acid and Alkaline-Forming Effects of Common Foods
    Generally speaking, most vegetables and fruits have an alkaline-forming effect on your body fluids.

    Most grains, animal foods, and highly processed foods have an acid-forming effect on your body fluids.

    Your health is best served by a good mix of nutrient-dense, alkaline and acid-forming foods; ideally, you want to eat more alkaline-forming foods than acid-forming foods to have the net acid and alkaline-forming effects of your diet match the slightly alkaline pH of your blood.

    The following lists indicate which common foods have an alkaline-forming effect on your body fluids, and which ones result in acid ash formation when they are digested and assimilated into your system.

    Foods that have a Moderate to Strong Alkaline-Forming Effect
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    Foods that have a Moderate to Strong Acid-Forming Effect
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    Please note that these lists of acid and alkaline-forming foods are not comprehensive, nor are they meant to be.

    If you're eating mainly grains, flour products, animal foods, and washing these foods down with coffee, soda, and milk, you will almost certainly improve your health by replacing some of your food and beverage choices with fresh vegetables and fruits.

    The primary purpose of this article is to offer information that explains why I believe that you don't need to take one or more nutritional supplements or "alkalized water" for the sole purpose of alkalizing your body. Your body is already designed to keep the pH of your body fluids in a tight, slightly alkaline range.

    The ideal scenario is to make fresh vegetables and fruits the centerpieces of your diet, and to eat small amounts of any other nutrient-dense foods that your appetite calls for and that experience shows your body can tolerate.

    I hope these thoughts bring some clarity to this often misunderstood health topic.
    The Truth About Alkalizing Your Blood
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    Quote Originally Posted by Derpamix View Post
    Wtf, this guy is being added to my quack watch list right along with the guy who thinks his vascularity is a sign of a connection with the cosmic pull of the planet, and worse than both, Mercola, who thinks you should get your vitamin d from tanning beds.
    Lol, Derp. I read Mercola's articles sometimes. I feel like he copies from other people in the paleosphere a lot, and I also think that the tanning bed thing is ludicrous!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grizz View Post
    The body PH and the blood ph are not the same.
    That's what we have been trying to tell you.

    We are measuring urine pH which reflects body pH and diet.
    It is a measure of the excess being excreted. Urine Ph does not "reflect" body Ph at all.

    If our average urine pH is too acidic, then we need to change our diet.
    No, it means your body is doing its job. There is no such thing as urine that is "too" acidic or alkaline. You are measuring waste products while your body Ph goes unchanged.

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    Acidosis and Chronic Diseases - Acidosis and Our Modern Acidic Diet

    Acidosis is mostly due to our modern acidic diet and is a very dangerous condition that weakens all our body systems. It is very common today. Over-acidity creates a body environment conducive to disease as opposed to an acid-alkaline balanced Unhealthy Food Illustration: Modern Acidic Dietenvironment that keeps large alkaline reserves (calcium, magnesium, potassium and sodium) and which allows normal body function to develop and maintain a vibrant health, as well as to resist diseases. Those alkaline minerals function as buffers. Buffers are chemical substances that help maintain and balance the body pH against the introduction of too much acidity or too much alkalinity. Healthy body strives to maintain alkaline reserves. In the case of over-acidity, excess acids must be neutralized by taking calcium and other alkaline minerals away from our bones, teeth and tissues, leaving therefore our alkaline reserves depleted, the microstructure of our bones damaged and our entire body weakened.

    Maintaining a balanced alkaline body pH is definitely our first line of defense against aging and disease. As do many biochemists and physiologists, Dr William Howard Hay of New York in his book (A New Health Era, 1933) and Dr Theodore A Baroody (in his book Alkalize or Die, 2006) maintain that by creating conditions for body autotoxication acidosis is nowadays the leading cause of degenerative chronic diseases. All the billions of cells that make up our human body are slightly alkaline and must maintain alkalinity in order to function and remain healthy and alive. But as each cell performs its task of respiration, which gives cell the necessary energy to function, it secretes acidic metabolic wastes. These wastes which are normal metabolic end products should not however be allowed to build up.

    How Acidosis Causes Chronic Diseases
    The pH range of a healthy blood is 7.35-7.45. In that condition the blood cells are far apart from each other and the blood as a whole is very fluid. As a result, your blood can move easily throughout your entire body, and get into all your small capillaries, bringing oxygen (energy) and all nutrients your body needs to sustain life, and transporting wastes to the organs where they are going to be either destroyed or eliminated. In addition the very mechanism for the transport of oxygen and CO2 through the body, as well as metabolic, physiological and immune system processes can take place in an optimal way only in that very limited zone of pH. So keeping our body slightly alkaline is what we need to assure an optimal metabolism, physiology and immune system and to maintain vibrant health and youthfulness.

    In Case of Acidosis the accumulation of acidic wastes in and around the cell constitutes a toxic condition for the cell and for the whole body (over-acidity/acidosis). In that case the body strives to restore the acid-alkaline balance by using the body regulatory systems.

    Normally when the pH turns to be unbalanced, the body uses at first its primary regulatory systems (breathing, circulation and eliminations) to repeatedly bring the blood pH back into the physiologic range. But as the acid excess starts building up the body will fight to restore the acid-alkaline balance also by using and depleting our mineral alkaline reserves: calcium specifically is leached first from blood and tissues, and after then from bones, teeth, cartilage (hypocalcaemia, osteoporosis). As an another mechanism of defense to protect our vital organs against damaging acids, our body will start producing fat cells and packing acid wastes in those cells (cellulite/obesity build up). So a return to a healthy acid-alkaline balanced body will help fight obesity and lose excess fat.

    Moreover the more the body becomes acidic, the more the blood cell will agglomerate and the less the blood will be fluid. Your blood will no longer be able to get to all the little capillaries throughout your body. Poor blood circulation causes through the body a lack of oxygen (energy) and nutrients, and an insufficiency in the elimination of wastes. This situation impairs your overall metabolism and physiology, as well as your immune system and leads to most degenerative chronic diseases (Candida infections, obesity, osteoporosis, premature aging, acid reflux, arthritis, autoimmune diseases and so on).
    Acidosis: Cause of Most Chronic Diseases
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    Couldn't sleep..... Found interesting thread about DH's CBS mutation.

    Http://forums.phoenixrising.me/index...roblems.12991/

    I wonder if pH is a topic on MTHFR.net or elsewhere?
    Do you have your SNPs?

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