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    Refeeds are not "broscience." VLC diets for health, on the other hand, are. I remember the ketogenic diet craze in the bodybuilding community. Thank God that BS blew over.
    You keep doing what works for you and I'll keep doing what works for me.

    How about if we both agree to not label other ways as bro-sci? Deal? Or does it only go one way with you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paleobird View Post
    Yep. IMO re-feeds are mostly bro sci promoted by the bodybuilding crowd. If you are really lean and working out like a fiend very frequently, then you need refeeds. If you leave adequate time in between workouts for recovery, your glycogen refills all by itself.
    I didn't think Mark was a bodybuilder into bro sci...

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    I didn't think Mark was a bodybuilder into bro sci...

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    Aw c'mon. I just extended the olive branch to Choco and then you have to pile on. Trying to get along here. What I meant in the original bro-sci comment was about people force feeding themselves large amounts of sweet potatoes on a rigid schedule just because Lyle said so and thinking it was was going to get them abs like Martin even if they don't work out that often. I was commenting on a mis-application of the whole carb-refeed concept not the concept itself. Sheesh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paleobird View Post
    You keep doing what works for you and I'll keep doing what works for me.

    How about if we both agree to not label other ways as bro-sci? Deal? Or does it only go one way with you?
    It has nothing to do with what works for me or you. Carb refeeds aren't bro science. They are fact. If you have issue with them, it's because you aren't doing them right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by patski View Post
    I didn't think Mark was a bodybuilder into bro sci...

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    He,he, the only bodybuilder into bro sci around here that I know, is a certain carnivorous bird that claims that she used to be a “bodybuilder” in her pre-paleo life…
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChocoTaco369 View Post
    It has nothing to do with what works for me or you. Carb refeeds aren't bro science. They are fact. If you have issue with them, it's because you aren't doing them right.
    Umkay. Excuse me for trying to get along here. You obviously are more interested in "scoring points" than anything else. Please see what I wrote to Patski above.

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    I dunno, I see the whole micromanagement of macro in terms of refeeds as a hack (much like the potato or steak and eggs if you like) more than "science". Its suppose to trick your hormone signaling (leptin especially) so that your body will crank at a higher rate. Seems like we think we can somehow outsmart these innate mechanisms. I personally doubt it makes much difference unless your like sub 20g/carb a day for extended times.

    Is it good for health?... I doubt there are any studies to prove it, but if anybody doing refeeds has the science to prove it either improves health or longevity I'm all ears. Does it trick your body into burning at a higher metabolic rate or release stubborn fat? Maybe, but do we have studies on that? And if we do I still don't believe there is anything other than philosophy to indicate a higher metabolic rate is actually healthier.... and many that argue the opposite. I know it seems to be a safe enough bet for those that are kind of leery of long term LC..... but really in the 50-100g range (assuming fruit and starch are your 50) then you are outside of any of the theoretical downsides regarding low carb anyhow. Yes I said theoretical... and mostly purported in any scientific valid way by Jaminet... they shoot for a combo of protein and carbs at 600 calories to avoid any real issue. However, longevity is quite a different story and there are plenty of those sorts of specialists still betting on the low carb pony to come in in that race.

    Anyhow, the refeed has been around a long time.... but unless someone can cite me some science perhaps it is relegated to bro-science? To be clear I really would like to see some studies here since I tend to do an incidental refeed myselft . Oh, and I'm really looking for metabolic markers and health markers.... not the "how to get to 5% body fat" bullshit. Cause we already know that lower body fat DOES NOT EQUAL health.

    I guess at my protein and don't count anything else. If a refeed happens its not cause I was "on the clock" or had some Bro down "PWO carb fest".... Its cause my apple and pear trees are producing and I like sushi.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paleobird View Post
    Aw c'mon. I just extended the olive branch to Choco and then you have to pile on. Trying to get along here. What I meant in the original bro-sci comment was about people force feeding themselves large amounts of sweet potatoes on a rigid schedule just because Lyle said so and thinking it was was going to get them abs like Martin even if they don't work out that often. I was commenting on a mis-application of the whole carb-refeed concept not the concept itself. Sheesh.
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    I like the "earn your carbs" approach, which pretty much means eating more carbs following heavy exercise. I still don't really care and just eat whatever, whenever I dang please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neckhammer View Post
    I dunno, I see the whole micromanagement of macro in terms of refeeds as a hack (much like the potato or steak and eggs if you like) more than "science". Its suppose to trick your hormone signaling (leptin especially) so that your body will crank at a higher rate. Seems like we think we can somehow outsmart these innate mechanisms. I personally doubt it makes much difference unless your like sub 20g/carb a day for extended times.

    Is it good for health?... I doubt there are any studies to prove it, but if anybody doing refeeds has the science to prove it either improves health or longevity I'm all ears. Does it trick your body into burning at a higher metabolic rate or release stubborn fat? Maybe, but do we have studies on that? And if we do I still don't believe there is anything other than philosophy to indicate a higher metabolic rate is actually healthier.... and many that argue the opposite. I know it seems to be a safe enough bet for those that are kind of leery of long term LC..... but really in the 50-100g range (assuming fruit and starch are your 50) then you are outside of any of the theoretical downsides regarding low carb anyhow. Yes I said theoretical... and mostly purported in any scientific valid way by Jaminet... they shoot for a combo of protein and carbs at 600 calories to avoid any real issue. However, longevity is quite a different story and there are plenty of those sorts of specialists still betting on the low carb pony to come in in that race.

    Anyhow, the refeed has been around a long time.... but unless someone can cite me some science perhaps it is relegated to bro-science? To be clear I really would like to see some studies here since I tend to do an incidental refeed myselft . Oh, and I'm really looking for metabolic markers and health markers.... not the "how to get to 5% body fat" bullshit. Cause we already know that lower body fat DOES NOT EQUAL health.

    I guess at my protein and don't count anything else. If a refeed happens its not cause I was "on the clock" or had some Bro down "PWO carb fest".... Its cause my apple and pear trees are producing and I like sushi.
    Reefed can serve different purposes physiological and psychologically and “bro science” related to what exactly? Re-feeds of shorter duration like a meal or eating above maintenance for days or weeks after being on a restrictive diet for a very long time? Or post workout re-feeds after depletion of glycogen? Some theories of re-feeds may be BS, others definitely not, so first we need to know the actual definition of re-feed and the context behind it – what is it supposed to do for the “re-feeder” etc.?
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