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    Hey Nstocks, Congrads on starting a journal

    Where's the rest of your thyroid panel - you mean he didn't take T4?? Your TSH is good though.

    Also, your ferritin is pretty low. I know Derp will disagree with me about men and iron, but have you considered that you might be mildly anaemic?
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    In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

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    I know, yay me!

    Nope, no T4 or T3. I specifically went in saying that I want a full thyroid test but I didn't know what they were testing for until I got the results today. I understand that lower TSH is a good thing but unless I have other tests, it doesn't really conclude any issues. I'm certain the Doc thinks I'm a hypochondriac, even though I don't even go in that often. Why would a 22 year old go to the Docs unless there was really a problem (Embarrassing bodies anyone?)

    The range for ferritin is huge and I'm on the very low side of that. I went to the Doctors several years ago with suspected anaemia (cold feet, dark circles and tired) but again, the Doc said I'm fine. (I couldn't get those test results though) Since that visit several years ago, I've always though I'm mildly anaemic but again, Doc wouldn't do anything or run more tests.

    Did you get better tests done privately, but outside of the UK? I'm looking at BUPA but it's not going to be cheap and there's no way around not telling my parents since I'd have to travel. (well I'm sure I could make something up). I know health is priceless but putting down several hundreds 's for something to go either way is risky when I have little money.

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    Hey, I know you don't want to go back to the doc, but you should really get your testosterone result. Perhaps you can call them and ask them to tell you over the phone?

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    I don't know why I didn't mention the anaemia thing to you before... I meant to say it. It would explain a lot. And the fact that your ferritin is so low could indicate an issue there.

    Dude, I feel your pain. My doctor had the exact same attitude to me. I kept going in, FIGHTING for different tests. They gave me T4, but refused me T3. I managed to get thyroid antibodies out of them, but they are kind of pointless.

    Eventually I went to Poland and got EVERYTHING checked. It's way cheaper over there - I paid 100 for literally every test you can imagine. And I got my diagnosis. When I went back to my doctor he was a bit humbled by the fact that he fobbed me off, and it transpired I have a serious condition, completely fixed by medication

    Anyway, it doesn't look like you got a good range of tests... If you're adamant you don't want to go back, I'm not quite sure what to advise...
    "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

    In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

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    Quote Originally Posted by diene View Post
    Hey, I know you don't want to go back to the doc, but you should really get your testosterone result. Perhaps you can call them and ask them to tell you over the phone?
    I think I'll try this tomorrow. I remember someone else on here (Yogabare maybe) whom asked for results over the phone but they had to go in. It's worth a try anyway.

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    I don't know why I didn't mention the anaemia thing to you before... I meant to say it. It would explain a lot. And the fact that your ferritin is so low could indicate an issue there.

    Dude, I feel your pain. My doctor had the exact same attitude to me. I kept going in, FIGHTING for different tests. They gave me T4, but refused me T3. I managed to get thyroid antibodies out of them, but they are kind of pointless.

    Eventually I went to Poland and got EVERYTHING checked. It's way cheaper over there - I paid 100 for literally every test you can imagine. And I got my diagnosis. When I went back to my doctor he was a bit humbled by the fact that he fobbed me off, and it transpired I have a serious condition, completely fixed by medication

    Anyway, it doesn't look like you got a good range of tests... If you're adamant you don't want to go back, I'm not quite sure what to advise...
    Wow, what made you go to poland in particular? Did someone recommend it or did you just find out that they are cheaper over there?

    I take it your tests concluded hypothyroidism? Was you prescribed levothyroxine under NHS? Didn't the UK Doc want to test bloods again in the UK? I'd imagine things are different in poland. (If I went to poland it would cost 40 to get to airport. 80 passport and 60 for flight, plus the inner city transport and accommodation.) (BUPA also have an email I could use to get costs)

    I know, it's really tough. Whenever I go the the Doctor, I get this feeling that he knows that I know more than I may let on and that I know he's not going to cure me. Like today, he was just saying "work on lifestyle" which may be true, but I bet if I was 40 or something he would do more for me. Also, when I leave the appointment, I just feel like I've used the Doc for some tests and that his advice is complete garbage, knowing that people like those on here are going to be able to help me way more than he is. It's like we both know that it's solely and completely down to myself to fix my issue which he thinks are due to social anxiety and the fact that I don't really get out much. He went on about those things more than my actually symptoms. Maybe this is the homework reading he likes to do - psychology.

    Whilst I was waiting, this old woman (70 ish) was venting her frustration towards my Doctor at reception having just changed Doctors. The receptionist completely understood her frustration and couldn't provide answers for a missing letter noting that this woman had already been seen, but my Doctor denied seeing her. I doubt that changing Doctors will do me any good - any thoughts my Doctor has on me will only be passed onto someone else and I don't want the hassle of changing. (I'm in two minds to get a copy of my medical history which by law, I think we are entitled to now. Maybe this will give me the previous blood results from several years ago) Doc told me today that by 2014 everyone in the UK will be given a card to check medical records etc. digitally. This is fantastic! Right now it takes 21-40 days to get medical records and may cost 10. I think the Doc has to approve my application though which might be awkward but who cares, it's my legal right. http://www.nhs.uk/NHSEngland/thenhs/...scription.aspx

    I wonder what the chances are of the receptionist booking me a blood test for some other things. When I called up several years ago about anaemia I asked if I need to see the Doctor for a iron blood test. The receptionist told me I don't need to and booked it. When it was "clear" (I had to ring up and they told me straight away) I made an appointment to see the Doctor and he said there more than just iron to test... Again, they came back "clear".

    I've got a lot of calls to make tomorrow about selling my car (I don't use it very often and I can walk the 2 miles to work), plus the insurance, MOT and tax all expire at the end of the month. I should get 2K which I wanted to save for when I more out but things take priority.

    Technical question: How do they actually test bloods for these type of things? Is it like testing the PH of water or something where they use different solutions? I don't understand why they don't like giving test out yet they will give drug addicts stuff to help them, or even build specialist places for them to go. (I know I shouldn't get political - there are 2 sides to every story)
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    I've just got off the phone with the receptionist who was able to tell me my Testosterone level.

    Testosterone
    31.0 (9.1 - 34.3)

    So I'm pretty high in (total) testosterone but again, that's not enough.

    I asked about having T3 and other things tested but she said that because these aren't "routine" tests, I would need to see the Doctor again. I'm going to look what BUPA or other private health care practitioners offer here in the UK and see what I can do.

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    This path is going to lead nowhere dude. Dont sit around and wait to be cured by tests and doctors because it will not happen. You have completely normal markers so a doc will never again run anything more substantial and if you see your doc again he will think you need a therapist. Unless your willing to shell out $500+ or head to Poland and get the tests you need, the better route would be to turn back to fixing yourself.

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    I know but even without the tests, I feel like I'm just sitting around trying to recover from the unknown. Is there anything I should consider taking, without prescription? I highly doubt that just eating fruit, dairy/protein will really fix me in any length of time. The thing is, feeling like shit everyday isn't exactly motivation to persue eating a certain way (not like a diet though), like I've been eating "healthy" for over 4 years and it's done shit. (Im writing this laid on my bed because I'm just have zero energy and my feet are like blocks of ice.)

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    What does feeling like shit motivate you to do? Die? You really have two options, you can get out of bed and try harder or you can get sicker. Dude you are young and lean, you have issues but others have it much worse.

    Yea you could listen to Derp and try a protocol of Niacinamide, Aspirin, pregnenolone, T3 if you can order it and then try a strict Peat diet. I think that is your best chance. If i were you, when that money came in i would order all four of those and possibly a high quality B complex, vitamin E, and some Gelatin and use the rest to make sure you are eating at least 3000 calories a day and 150-200g protein. Make sure to eat liver once a week and oysters a few times a week, shellfish, red meat and eggs daily. Have the carrot salad, a few tbs of coconut oil, a decent amount of salt, a buttload of fruit, juice, sugar, dried fruit, potatoes, rice and of course a good amount of cheese, milk and cottage cheese. Get as much sun and outdoors as possible, set up a tent and live out there the rest of the summer. Get a lot of walking in, a bit of running and a couple days of bodyweight exercises.

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    What I meant was feeling like shit for so long (and being young), makes it hard to give a damn anymore, but I do give a damn. After so many diets, programs, protocols, cleanses, detoxes and ideologies it's like my body doesn't care about any of it - what I put in makes no difference. I don't feel sorry for myself and I'm not going to beg people for free stuff or whatever because it's going to be in my power to do the things I need to get better. (money wise)

    I'm out of GL gelatin and I doubt I'm going to spend 28 for another tube. I know you have a brand called Knox over there, is that just a standard, run-of-the-mill gelatin powder? With the supermarket oysters, I'm probably going to end up buying some online - 30 for 20 oysters and do that every other week or so, it depends on what the supermarkets have. (the fish mongers don't even sell them locally and the last ones from the supermarket were rotten inside!!! - I didn't check they were closed before purchasing since they should have been closed anyway)

    I'm doing very well with 2L of 2% goat milk per day (3 supermarket stuff) and juice around 10 oranges a day with greens.

    I'm sure Derp will chime in with recommended supplements, I'll look at a link from a different journal with supps that contain no junk and post them on here to get advice.

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