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    WHen you have been in ketosis for a while, all the tissues and organs get really good at using ketone bodies for fuel instead of glucose. The only cells that really can't use ketones are the red blood cells so the circulating glucose takes care of them. Even the brain does fine on just ketones.

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    Since the red blood cells really need that glucose, that's what most of it gets used for. There is very little left to get taken out to the tissues where the tumors hide.

    I'm not sure how well the ketosis Rx would work for leukemia. Interesting thought. Research for tomorrow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paleobird View Post
    You need to explain to her that cancer cells are different from the rest of the cells in the body in that they can only run on sugar.
    This.

    Your cells can get energy from your mitochondria (via krebs/ATP), or from glucose fermentation. In cancerous cells the mitochondrial process has broken down, so they can ONLY get energy from glucose fermentation. If you starve the cells of glucose, then the healthy cells will still get energy from their working mitochondria, while the diseased cancerous cells will be shit out of luck and be outcompeted by your healthy cells.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hedonist2 View Post
    Sigh. It's hopeless.

    She had actually asked me for advice and listened. So I thought there was a chance. But she dogmatically believes that whatever the docs and nutritionists say is the word of god.
    Actually got a little chill reading this; I'm sorry for your housemate and for you. You've gotten excellent advice here and maybe the saving grace is that you cook 1/3 of her food -- she very well may still make the connection btw how she feels after she eats CW and when she eats your food.

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    Good and bad news about my housemate. She had hoped to just have a lumpectomy, which she did. And there was zero evidence of the cancer spreading to lymph nodes. But, the surgeon also removed some tissue that she thought was scar tissue from an earlier, non-cancerous lump. Unfortunately, it turned out to be pre-cancerous cells from a different kind of cancer. Because the surgeon thought the tissue was scar tissue, she didn't remove enough

    The surgeon could go back in and remove more, but HM decided to have a mastectomy, which has been scheduled. That means no radiation, which is good. But they are doing genetic analysis to see if HM is high risk for more breast cancer. If she is, they are talking chemo. I think that is crazy. She will only have one breast, and there is no indication of cancer in it.

    HM is, rightly, terrified of chemo. So she has agreed to do a low carb Primal (mostly Paleo) diet. She is still very afraid of animal fats, so won't do those. But she is fine with a moderate amount of coconut oil and other non-animal fat. I also feed her stuff that is supposed to be good at preventing cancer.
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    She had actually asked me for advice and listened. So I thought there was a chance. But she dogmatically believes that whatever the docs and nutritionists say is the word of god.
    Tell her my story.... 10 years ago I was hospitalized with a liver infection. I got meds that made my blood cloth, they pushed litres of fluids in me, kept me on bedrest for a week and pushed me full with antibiotics. after a week I wasn't better but I was too healthy to stay so they send me home as cured... 4 days later I was rushed to the hospital again and they found out my heart was failing due to an infection on the muscle.
    It was so bad that all my organs were shutting down... that was really the cause of my liver problems the week before but they never found out what the real problems were.
    The doctors there just went with the obvious and because it was christmas they didn't take the time to look good. In that first week they did everything that was wrong for my ailing heart. They almost killed me with it...
    I learned the hard way, doctors don't know everything....

    Get your friend to get as physically fit as she can be. Primal diet or not, fill her up with veggies and fruits, she'll need her fitness as she goes through chemical therapy. It will be torture for her body and she needs to do everything she can to support it. That's most important now... even if she still wants to eat the carbs...

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    Thanks, Marielle, but we are hoping she doesn't have to go through chemo. I told her that I would just say "No!" Her one remaining breast won't have any cancer. Why do chemo? She agrees but tends to follow whatever the docs say religiously. We'll see. As for carbs, including fruit, I am urging her to follow Paleobird's advice to drastically reduce the carbs, which she is doing.

    I convinced her that turmeric would be great, but since it is a blood thinner, she will hold off until after the surgery.

    Another good thing - I am eating lower carb too. I wasn't doing too badly but need to go lower to finally get rid of remaining abdominal fat.
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    I chose NO chemo after my breast cancer diagnosis. Some of the best things that she can do to boost her immune system along with a paleo/keto diet are:

    Vit. D3 = get her level tested, pt's with active cancer are recommended to have there level around 70-80.
    Melatonin = even my oncologist said this was a winner and that studies say it's helpful for breast cancer pt's.
    IP6 = supplement to boost her NK (natural killer) cells in her body - read up on it, there are some good studies on it.

    The tumeric is a great addition since cancer cells are 'sticky' cells anyway.

    Hope this helps and I wish her well.
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    Thanks, Aurora. I will pass that along.
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    YOu know, your best thing is to support her, hear her out, etc, and don't criticize what she *is* doing. Remind her that she can take good care of herself and make good decisions. Advise only as far as she asks for it.

    My friend's secretary had breast cancer. She was on a hard core SAD diet. In addition to paying for her treatments (since he was her employer -- and he covered anything above what her insurance wouldn't, plus paid leave), he offered to send her to the various specialists that he knows of an believed in (traditional chinese medicine, nutritionists, etc), and so on.

    Instead, she switched from coke to diet coke, and did the full allopathic run without any major dietary or lifestyle changes. Thankfully, she's alive, albeit terribly unhealthy and often sick, becuase her immune system hasn't really recovered from the chemo. But, she's been cancer free for 4 years now, so that's something.

    Your friend is going through a lot of tough decisions. Best you can do is be positive for/with her.

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    Thanks, Zoebird. Yes, I do know that and it has always been my approach.
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