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    Liver--Superfood?

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    Talk of a rat experiment -
    Group 1 ate a basic rat diet, fortified with 11 vitamins.
    Group 2 ate the same rat diet as group 1, with the addition of supplemental vitamin B complex.
    Group 3 ate the the same rat diet as the first two groups but instead of vitamins or B complex, they received 10% of their ration as powdered liver.


    Then they put the rats in a barrel of water and said 'swim or die!'

    Groups 1 and 2 swam for about 13 minutes and died. Group 3 (liver fed) swam for up to 2 hours and were allowed to live.

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    If its good enough to keep a rat from drowning in my toilet then its good enough for me...

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    Clearly liver is a major contributor to swimming ability. Grant please?

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    I wonder what PETA might have to say about this experiment.

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    People who do experiments like that, causing animals to die in desperation and terror for spurious gains, should be thrown down wells, there's no merit in it.

    That's not "PETA" or "byunny hugging" - it;s basic human decency.

    As for "superfood" - shitty term that comes from the same mindset that saw hydrogenated veg fat replace butter and lard, and then saccharin et al. replace sugar and honey, and now has people scarfing pounds of goji berries and coconut oil per week.

    Eat normal food and stop looking for wonderfoods, ffs.

    /rant.

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    Yeah, it's creepy that they let the non-liver rats die that way. I've known grad students that had to make animals sick for their research, but they always made the end as painless and quick as possible, even though it costs extra money to euthanize the animal.

    That said, I think liver is one of the meat gods. A minimum of a half pound a week, and if I'm not in the mood to put it over rice, a whole pound. Some fat and onions to go with. Yum.
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    seriously, there was no other way? a tube they could have just plopped to the bottom of when exhausted from holding on the sides?
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    I feel high after eating rare liver. For days. I haven't gone on any marathon-like tirades to find out whether or not I'll drop dead or get a cramp. The fear of a cramp is more than enough to generally keep me away from fitness for life. But, yes. Liver is pretty darn magical.


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    I can't get that exact paper right now, although I have read about it several times. The authors have another paper that shows a low fat diet extends cold water swimming time as well. They considered a mouse done when the head was under water for 30 seconds. I wonder if they plucked them out then or if that is enough to drown them. It is horrible to think they would use that as an endpoint though. That would never happen now.
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    Oh - they did let them drown. What a pointless endpoint.

    "period of 15 seconds.
    The selmtion of the end point was based on
    preliminary studmies in which it was observed
    that rats almost never remained submerged
    below the surface of the water for more than
    5 seconds and almost never for more than 10
    seconds of their own accord. As the end point
    of a swim was approached, the rat would submerge
    for periods of 5 !to 10 seconds with increasing
    frequency and could reach the surface
    only with obvious difficulty. Of 30 rats
    tested only 2 rose to the surface after remaining
    submerged for a period of 15 seconds:
    and these swam for less than 50 seconds before
    submerging again, at which time they
    drowned. Rats remaining below the surface
    for more than 15 seconds almost invariably
    drowned."
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