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    Ketosis confusion.

    Hello all,

    Can anyone enlighten me as to why I can go 14 hours without food, followeed by a bulletproof coffee with about 2 tsp of butter and 1 tbsp of MCT oil, yet 3 hours later not be in ketosis?
    The more the day goes on - still without food for another 7 hours but the odd coffee with cream, I will then be heavily into ketosis.
    Why the delay? My body has fat to use up (I'm about 1/1/2 stone over weight) and NO carbs will have passed my lips during that initial 14 hours!

    Im confused as to why ketosis does not show up on the urine sticks, nor on blood readings.
    I'm not a complete idiot! There's parts missing!!

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    Does it matter at all ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dkJames View Post
    Does it matter at all ?
    Yes.
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    [QUOTE=Rattybag;1253583]
    I would think most people go overnight without eating (say 12 hours) and would wake up not in the specified ketosis range - even though they were probably burning fat half the night ( of coarse at a very low work rate - sleeping).

    So from whay youre saying, you get up, walk around and do stuff, burn fat at a higher rate, take MCT that goes to the liver makes ketones that's released in to the blood, finally deplete your body's 'carb' stores so more fat burned at a higher rate and you're in 'ketosis'.

    Perhaps you have some carbs for dinner ( or plenty of protein), ketosis stops, you go to bed, same cycle starts again...

    How long would you expect it to take?
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    [QUOTE=EatMoveSleep;1253623]
    Quote Originally Posted by Rattybag View Post
    I would think most people go overnight without eating (say 12 hours) and would wake up not in the specified ketosis range - even though they were probably burning fat half the night ( of coarse at a very low work rate - sleeping).

    Perhaps you have some carbs for dinner ( or plenty of protein), ketosis stops,
    Im on a ketogenic Paleo diet to control seizures so I eat less than 20g of carbs a day. I do eat high protein but I wasnt aware that reduces ketones?
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    [QUOTE=Rattybag;1253924]
    Quote Originally Posted by EatMoveSleep View Post

    Im on a ketogenic Paleo diet to control seizures so I eat less than 20g of carbs a day. I do eat high protein but I wasn't aware that reduces ketones?

    Yes basically as I understand it, if you reduce your carbs enough for long enough then the body can start to use protein and convert it to glucose it needs.

    It seems that 'over consumption' of protein on VLC means the body may over produce glucose ( my guess) causing too much insulin for ketosis to continue.

    Also don't starve yourself of protein either - body can use your muscle to create protein ( you lose muscle bulk - not good), so its a balancing act but once you have the hang of it can be relatively easy to maintain .

    I drop in and out of ketosis naturally as I skip breakfast and have the bulk of my carbs at night - also I've been trying low Carb rest days alternating with higher Carb workout days.

    On that note just for interest I just checked by blood ketones : 1.3 ( today is a low carb rest day).
    I have felt great all day, even though I did heavy lifting yesterday .
    I suspected I was in ketosis ( I don't normally bother checking ) as a few of the tell tails signs were there ( now I know for sure ).

    Read up on keto diets - plenty of experienced people here can help.

    Good luck.

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    I'm under the impression that, if you're not doing heavy glucose demanding exercise, it'll take some days.

    M.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MEversbergII View Post
    I'm under the impression that, if you're not doing heavy glucose demanding exercise, it'll take some days. M.
    Ive been eating ketogenically for about a year or so now, but always found zero ketones in the urine and blood for most of that time first thing in the morning. Seems illogical to me!
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    the urine sticks are unreliable but the blood reading being negative is odd, what are you eating outside of the fasting? when you say heavily into ketosis what blood results do you get?
    When I'd had enough of the grain and starched based 'diabetic eating for health' diet (eating for health, my ass!) my weight was 242.5 lbs. On starting primal- 18th April 2013 weight : 238.1.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CarbDodger View Post
    the urine sticks are unreliable but the blood reading being negative is odd, what are you eating outside of the fasting? when you say heavily into ketosis what blood results do you get?
    When the urine sticks show deep purple, I dont blood test, but first thing in the morning (when Ive been medically advised to test) it normally says 0.2 to 0.4.
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