The unfortunate answer is that it is conventional wisdom to say that a sensible diet won't result in regain or rebound. But the number of people who lose weight and keep it off permanently is so small as to be insignificant.
"Simple", but not "easy". "Some form of willpower". How much less than total control for the rest of a person's life is that?It's simple, not easy. There's a big difference. Anyways, again, you're not making your point very clear. Yes, you have to exercise some form of willpower. So?
Okay, how often does exercise not equal more hunger, and when is it realistic for someone to expect (or demand) that this happen?Anyways, like I said, exercise does not always equal more hunger. It's highly individual.
Do you have data on crash diets vs conventional "sensible" ones? Because I'm not seeing any evidence of success out there.Where are you pulling these numbers from? And yes, like I said, most women crash-diet and turn to extreme restriction rather than sensible and flexible dieting, which causes them to fail.
Evidence?The unfortunate answer is that it is conventional wisdom to say that a sensible diet won't result in regain or rebound. But the number of people who lose weight and keep it off permanently is so small as to be insignificant.
I have no idea what kind of argument you're trying to make here. You seem to have something against willpower as if it's a bad thing. Yes, shocker, if someone wants to lose weight they will have to exercise some willpower to not eat everything in sight. Again, so what?"Simple", but not "easy". "Some form of willpower". How much less than total control for the rest of a person's life is that?
What in the world are you talking about? I said it's highly individual. Meaning, some people get hungry after exercise, some people are less hungry after exercising, and some people see absolutely no difference. Demand what to happen?Okay, how often does exercise not equal more hunger, and when is it realistic for someone to expect (or demand) that this happen?
Are you asking for evidence that caloric restriction = weight loss? You keep saying you're not seeing evidence of success. And what does out there mean? You're being overly broad and it's hard to comprehend your argument from any angle.Do you have data on crash diets vs conventional "sensible" ones? Because I'm not seeing any evidence of success out there.
oooof! this is getting a little heated!
my experience is that when i trained for half/full marathons I did not loose weight. But I wasn't paying close attention to diet and didn't really have that much to lose (maybe 10lbs?? i'm 5'8" and about 150lbs). but i do have a little persistent belly fat.
i still run because i love it and right now have reduced my weight training because it's so damn nice out. i feel the difference. i don't feel as strong and i don't like it. but i also refuse to set foot in a dark gym during prime vit D season. i'm cool with that and try to incorporate body weight exercises during my runs (squats, pushups...).
for my body type ("amazonian" as some people call it) i will never be marathon-skinny while ALSO being healthy. weights and shorter distances are much better for me and i enjoy mixing it up. so marathons are now out for me and my max is maybe an annual half. otherwise i plan on increasing trail runs and continuing doing the things i love like SUP, swimming, weights etc.
Also, may I end on an alternate theory? I think the overall concern for fat loss as opposed to health gain may be a contributor. I think we all stress out way too much about weight and that focus is misplaces. For those wanting some references
10 ways stress makes you fat and diabetic
so my advice? eat healthy, do the exercise that makes YOU feel good, spend time with family and friends, meditate. enjoy your life!
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Here's a good article and a follow-up approximately 2 years later.
T NATION | The Final Nail in the Cardio Coffin
The Final Nail in the Coffin of the Scale - Rachel Cosgrove
Female, 5'3", 49, Starting weight: 163lbs. Current weight: 135 (more or less).
Starting squat: 45lbs. Heaviest squat: 180 x 2. Heaviest Deadlift: 230 x 2
You can look at the National Weight Loss Registry and PubMed for evidence. For people who lose 65 pounds or more, less than 1% keep it off for five years or more. It is amazing to say that a person who doesn't keep their weight off somehow has a personal moral problem when they are actually acting like a completely normal human being.* Weight loss is never going to be the answer to the obesity epidemic. The place for intervention is between conception and about five years of age.
*But we tend to grade the morality of people battling obesity on a different curve than normal people- if they aren't amazing heroic they are a failure.
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You NEED Long Duration, Low Intensity Cardio » Robertson Training Systems). I lean to the side of whatever works for you.
I agree that dieting fails time and time again. However, I think the reason why is up for debate. The issue is that, like I've said many times in this thread, people tend to create an all or nothing approach to dieting. Either they're extremely restrictive and drastically cutting calories along with intense exercise, or they're overeating and sedentary. For the most part, there doesn't seem to be a happy medium, which would bring more consistent long term results.
People need to understand that it's not all or nothing, and there is such thing as flexible dieting. There is such thing as not being so restrictive that you're overwhelmed with food cravings and starving, as this is obviously a recipe for disaster. I'm not saying I have the answer to obesity (no one does), but if more people would embrace the idea of being flexible and taking a long-term approach to losing fat, we would be much better off as a whole.