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    Infertility cured???

    Just wondering how many of you guys used a VLC eating approach on both wife and husband to naturally conceive??

    My husband is eating around 100 grams of carbs on a primal diet (dairy, fruits, sweet potatoes) right now. I am eating a loose 50 grams of carbs per day with a few high carb days with paleo approved foods.

    We both have been trying for a baby for many years without success. He has poor morphology which I have done some reading that L-Carnitine can help???
    I have been diagnosed with a Unicornuitie uterus (half the size it should be)

    So the odds are both against us.


    I am just wondering if we both dropped to below 20 grams of carbs per day with no cheats if we could magically get pregnant???

    What foods in particular help with morphology?? I keep hearing fertility has to do with insulin?? That's where my head goes with the VLC approach. PLease correct me if I am wrong.


    Needing advise!!!!!


    Thanks!!!

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    Going continuously low carb is a stress on the body. The few reasons I can see to undergo this stress are; To rid your self of a carb addiction. To make your fat fuelling and glucose producing systems stronger. To be in a state if ketosis if it helps a condition you have (like epilepsy etc).

    The problem with going LC for an extended period is the systems used get chronically overworked. This can lead to metabolic problems.
    There is a whole "carbs are great" side project happening on this forum because of this effect.

    Unless your very new (within a month) to primal. I think you will see most benefit from doing a (non to small calorie restricting) cyclic macro diet (meaning LC somedays, HC others). Eating plenty of various, nutritious foods and following the rest of the blue print (sleep, exercise, sun etc etc).

    It is my understanding that human bodies scaled back their reproductive systems first when living conditions weren't right. Meaning if they where going through a period of starving or poor nutrients (any kind of major prolonged stress) we wait for conditions to improve, before reproducing.

    Even if you have some kind of acute reproductive condition, "improving conditions" is gunna give you the best chance of success. Going LC long term is not nessesarily improving living conditions, unless you have done alot of trial and error and found optimal levels. Hope that helps


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    Thankyou I needed to hear this!!!

    As you can see from my previous posts I am super afraid of eating carbs again. Being in ketosis means energy, mental clarity, no more brain fog.

    The instant I add back in fruit all the fatigue and mental fogginess returns.


    I am realising I need to add back in carbs much slower.


    This helps a TON!!!!


    Thanks soo much!!!

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    Dillberry, while I agree with your "shake things up" approach in general and would definitely advise the OP to eat a sweet potato or three, please stop perpetuating the myth that LC=metabolic problems. It's simply not true. Someone not trying to conceive can live in ketosis indefinitely with no ill effects.

    The metabolic problems often blamed on LC are really people taking the diet to extremes often with major chronic caloric restriction.

    The OP needs to convince her body that times are good and optimal for more Groklings to be added to the tribe. I think a steak and some veggies and a potato would be great for that.

    For a post reproductive person or someone not looking to reproduce, LC is not in the least bit detrimental. Running on ketones is the optimal survival mode for the individual. Survive to reproduce another time. Ketosis causes internal "housekeeping" to be done such as neural repair (why it is so helpful for epilepsy). Just because it is "survival mode" does not mean it is bad for you.

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    Sigh thanks!!!!!!

    I need some girlfriends and guy friends on my shoulder right now. Thats why I LOVE you guys!!!!!


    Just trying to do whatever it takes NOT to have to take clomid, all reproductive meds and go the medical route.

    So you think start with sweet taters and slowly work towards fruit???


    I bow down LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by kiwigal View Post
    Sigh thanks!!!!!!

    I need some girlfriends and guy friends on my shoulder right now. Thats why I LOVE you guys!!!!!


    Just trying to do whatever it takes NOT to have to take clomid, all reproductive meds and go the medical route.

    So you think start with sweet taters and slowly work towards fruit???



    I bow down LOL
    Whatever you like. Just make sure your nutritional bases are covered (micronutrients) and that you are eating enough food in general. I might suggest some liver if you are not offal-phobic. Nature's multivitamin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paleobird View Post
    Whatever you like. Just make sure your nutritional bases are covered (micronutrients) and that you are eating enough food in general. I might suggest some liver if you are not offal-phobic. Nature's multivitamin.
    If you can make the liver taste good I'm in!!!!!


    You guys truly ROCK!!!!!!


    Thank you soo much!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paleobird View Post
    Whatever you like. Just make sure your nutritional bases are covered (micronutrients) and that you are eating enough food in general. I might suggest some liver if you are not offal-phobic. Nature's multivitamin.
    This is pretty much what I was trying to say, without taking over your thread I'd like to just clarify something with PB that may also hold further insight.

    Eating is a stress on the body period. LC is a stress, high fat is a stress, high protein is a stress, no food is a stress, too much food is a stress, normal food is a stress.
    Tho normally this stress is fairly insignificant, it can become significant if the body has to deal with the same stress over prolonged periods (chronic).

    Here's the caveat; this stress can vary greatly. Eating C's or F's or P's might hold different levels of stress which could vary per person. Eg if paleobird finds eating carbs more stressful then eating fat and protein (even tho these can be stressful long term) then it is logical that a high fat and protein diet is the suitable option for her.
    If derpamix finds that going keto (high F & P) is a major stress than going high carb, eating alot of carbs might be a valid option even tho high carb is going to cause trouble long term if he over does it.

    It is my belief the default least stressful mode of eating is gentle cycling of macro's and cal's of nutrient rich food so that your diet averages out. As I alluded to in my first post tho, tweaking your diet outside of these parameters might be necessary (eg LC because of keto needs).

    OP eat however you like, with lots of experimenting, just understand that LC is not necessarily (for you at least) the least stress full way of eating, wich can be a common misconception on these boards.

    I am most definitely not, a Peat loving LC basher tho.


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    Quote Originally Posted by dilberryhoundog View Post
    I am most definitely not, a Peat loving LC basher tho.
    Good to know. Your first post did seem to be saying that LC inevitably leads to metabolic issues which is simply not true. It's good to hear that being refined to the idea that it is an individual n=1 call.

    LC is definitely not for everybody. I think the reason someone like Derp does badly on it is because he is already rail skinny at 6'3" and 150 and habitually uses an appetite suppressant (nicotine). If he didn't pour large quantities of sugary beverages into his body, he would starve to death.

    It's all in the context.

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    Whole thread all about liver pate'.

    https://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread65193.html

    Best wishes to you and your family.

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