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    Quote Originally Posted by ChocoTaco369 View Post
    Human beings evolved along the Equator, not in North America. Along the Equator, fruit is plentiful all year long. What isn't plentiful is animals rich in fat. It's very logical to think the original human diet was mostly made up of fruits and leaner, smaller game since that is what was available.

    If you want something that isn't human, look into green, leafy vegetables. Could you imagine ancient man expending hundreds of calories to come back with a couple heads of lettuce providing virtually no usable energy?
    I grew up in Papua New Guinea, it's tropical and pretty much on the equator. I grew up in a town but spent a lot of time in the villages. My mother was born and raised in a village and my father was an Australian who was sent to PNG by the Aussie government to teach the villagers how to move from subsistence farming to cash cropping for income.

    I have my experience to draw on but I just rang them to make sure that I had my facts right..

    Fruit, though available year round, is not plentiful enough to be the main source of sustenance. And it wasn't plentiful enough until they started growing it as a cash crops (only started from the late 1800's onwards). The main source of sustenance was a large range of tubers (yams, sweet potato, taro, pitpit etc), crocodiles, fish, eels, flying foxes, possums, cuscus and other small animals. And the thing about flying foxes, possums, cuscuses et al is that fruit is their main diet. So not only is is not so plentiful, but there is huge competition for it.

    The images of tropical woven baskets overflowing with mangoes and bananas and pineapples is a modern day creation. Walk into a jungle and see how many fruit trees you find.. They will be too few and far between to keep you alive. Fruit was a treat, not a staple.

    Now as for consuming human flesh, yes that was still going on up there until a few decades ago. It was also a legit form of obtaining protein, as well as dominating your enemies or honoring your elders. There is a particular disease that people from PNG used to suffer from eating human brains, like a form of mad cow disease called Kuru. My mum went to school with a girl that became afflicted. That's how recent cannibalism was.

    Again I say, if you want to be fruitatarian then more power to you . But do not think that doing so means you're following in some paleo forefather footsteps, because you're not. Fruitatarian is only possible with modern agricultural practices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by not on the rug View Post
    mrs rug and I finished the flamingo last week. I was thinking of some grilling up some zebra ka-bobs and maybe doing a bald eagle curry?
    Sounds good. My zoologist friend actually ate zebra on her trip to Africa. You should ask her about it sometime. I think she liked the wildebeest better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RichMahogany View Post
    Sounds good. My zoologist friend actually ate zebra on her trip to Africa. You should ask her about it sometime. I think she liked the wildebeest better.
    oh cool. I will. I wouldn't mind taking a trip to Africa to shoot things and eat them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sweet Leilani View Post
    I grew up in Papua New Guinea, it's tropical and pretty much on the equator. I grew up in a town but spent a lot of time in the villages. My mother was born and raised in a village and my father was an Australian who was sent to PNG by the Aussie government to teach the villagers how to move from subsistence farming to cash cropping for income.

    I have my experience to draw on but I just rang them to make sure that I had my facts right..

    Fruit, though available year round, is not plentiful enough to be the main source of sustenance. And it wasn't plentiful enough until they started growing it as a cash crops (only started from the late 1800's onwards). The main source of sustenance was a large range of tubers (yams, sweet potato, taro, pitpit etc), crocodiles, fish, eels, flying foxes, possums, cuscus and other small animals. And the thing about flying foxes, possums, cuscuses et al is that fruit is their main diet. So not only is is not so plentiful, but there is huge competition for it.

    The images of tropical woven baskets overflowing with mangoes and bananas and pineapples is a modern day creation. Walk into a jungle and see how many fruit trees you find.. They will be too few and far between to keep you alive. Fruit was a treat, not a staple.

    Now as for consuming human flesh, yes that was still going on up there until a few decades ago. It was also a legit form of obtaining protein, as well as dominating your enemies or honoring your elders. There is a particular disease that people from PNG used to suffer from eating human brains, like a form of mad cow disease called Kuru. My mum went to school with a girl that became afflicted. That's how recent cannibalism was.

    Again I say, if you want to be fruitatarian then more power to you . But do not think that doing so means you're following in some paleo forefather footsteps, because you're not. Fruitatarian is only possible with modern agricultural practices.
    Thanks for the response. Maybe there are more reasons why there was not ample fruit in PNG just a few decades ago? Thousands of years ago though, before agriculture, if there was any fruit at all and caveman we're eating it, I just don't get why the seeds wouldn't get scattered around and over time make more and more fruit trees? Why is this flawed logic?

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    Quote Originally Posted by not on the rug View Post
    oh cool. I will. I wouldn't mind taking a trip to Africa to shoot things and eat them.
    I agree. I also want to go there once I'm old and decrepit and get "lost" from my safari group so I can do my own sort of "sky burial, Savannah edition"

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    Quote Originally Posted by RichMahogany View Post
    I agree. I also want to go there once I'm old and decrepit and get "lost" from my safari group so I can do my own sort of "sky burial, Savannah edition"
    interesting idea. I always pictured myself going out on my 100th birthday. my plan is to see how fast my ferrari could really go while getting a knobber from a 18 year old escort. once they scrape me off the fine leather interior, i'm thinking cremation and maybe scattered in the ocean somewhere with a nice sunset

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    Quote Originally Posted by PrimalFish View Post
    Thanks for the response. Maybe there are more reasons why there was not ample fruit in PNG just a few decades ago? Thousands of years ago though, before agriculture, if there was any fruit at all and caveman we're eating it, I just don't get why the seeds wouldn't get scattered around and over time make more and more fruit trees? Why is this flawed logic?
    This is just pure speculation, but it may be because fruit trees were only a small percentage of the tropical tree population, and all tree would be doing their best to gain/keep their footing that overall the percentage of fruit trees never really changed ?!? Or maybe aliens, I don't know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by not on the rug View Post
    interesting idea. I always pictured myself going out on my 100th birthday. my plan is to see how fast my ferrari could really go while getting a knobber from a 18 year old escort. once they scrape me off the fine leather interior, i'm thinking cremation and maybe scattered in the ocean somewhere with a nice sunset
    How does Mrs. Rug like that plan? I'll help you with the planning if you want, since I'll only be 97 or whatever, clearly not ripe for the Safari.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RichMahogany View Post
    How does Mrs. Rug like that plan? I'll help you with the planning if you want, since I'll only be 97 or whatever, clearly not ripe for the Safari.
    she'll probably have run away long before then. she is a saint for dealing with all of the hairbrained ideas I have anyway.

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