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    Right here is my cry for help. I find myself so interested and passionate about the primal world and getting healthy that I've read so many different resources and find myself not sure what to do.

    A little background on me.. I am a 5'6" 28 female living in UK near London. 4 years ago I weighed nearly 17stone (238lbs) and was miserable. During a scan it was revealed I had gallstones and my gallbladder was removed. I also had a terrible time with my cycle and after seeing a lot of pushing and changing doctors (noone was interested) I was diagnosed with PCOS. This gave me the needed kick up the bum to lose weight and I joined a British slimming Club called Slimming world. I lost over 4 stone (about 60lbs) taking me down to 11 stone 9lbs. The plan is a low fat plan ( I always tried low fat to lose weight) but interestingly also when following the "original plan/red days" is very low carb. Based around meat and veg. At this poing my cycle regulated to a perfect 5 week cycle and a later scan showed no signs of PCOS, yay!

    At this time I met my other half, who I am still very happy with, and went on the pill for the first time. I gained some weight and eventually started a low carb diet last year and got to my lowest every adult weight, 11st 7lbs in September 2012. Not long after I changed contraceptive pill in the hope of feeling happier, I'd felt mildly depressed sing going on it. After that I gained 20lbs. Christmas contributed and possibly the pill did too. I've been trying to eat primal since Jan, cutting grains and upping healthy fats. I am great until I cheat! Seem to ruin it at the weekend. 3 ago weeks I came off the pill altogether and feel a million times better but am desperate to lose the 20lbs. OH and I hope to conceive next year so I'm eager to get my natural cycle back and desperaetly hope the PCOS won't have returned and that I'm ovulating.

    My other problem is I suspect I have damaged my throid as I display most of the symptoms and have done for the last 2 years pretty much since I started the pill. I have just started taking a conception suplement which contains 100% rda iodine and selenium. I am taking this to help my cycle come back rather than to conceive at the moment. I have no desire to exercise whatsoever despite being a gym bunny years ago. I do walk 20 mins each way to the station for work most days and occasionally manage to do 30 day shred with weights.

    Sorry for going on and on but I know there are so many people on here with amamzing success stories and a wealth of knowledge and I really need some good advice as feel like my body is clinging to the excess weight and I am so desperate to get myself healthyl slim and fit before having a baby.

    Thanks in advance!

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    it does sound like you've had a rough ride but your weight loss through it all is great.
    since I've been grain free I've come to realise its a terrible food source for me.
    weekends are also difficult for me so I plan everything we eat and make sure its really all things we enjoy.
    i eat VLC and my carbs are between 40-80. in the week i eat 40-50 at the weekends I eat around 75-80. those extra 30 carbs make a real difference to making a weekend special but I still stay in ketosis. I also eat some selected non primal foods.
    PCOS is something Ive had problems with all my adult life,so sympathise but for me it was at its worst when i was heaviest. Have you considered using a diaphragm - i know its less spontaneous but it doesn't mess with the hormones.exercise is good though, try the 4 things in the PBF guide and walk more-you don't have to be a gym bunny
    When I'd had enough of the grain and starched based 'diabetic eating for health' diet (eating for health, my ass!) my weight was 242.5 lbs. On starting primal- 18th April 2013 weight : 238.1.
    27th July 2013. weight after 100 days 136.9 weight lost 101.2lb ; that's 105.6lbs since I stopped the 'diabetic eating for health'
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    Thanks for your reply Carbdodger. Your stats are incredible! I'd love to know more about how you eat on a day to day basis and how you track your carbs. What's your thoughts on fasting? The one thing I miss about slimming world is the weekly weigh in wit others in the same boat. It gave me accountability that kept me on the straight and narrow!

    I won't go back to hormonal contraception now that I'm off the pill. We'll use barrier methods in the mean time and hopfully have a baby next year!

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    I'm so glad you're feeling good off the pill! I take it the bleeding stopped? It's been 8 weeks for me now and no period yet. So ridiculous how little you can do about it, and how individual your body's reaction is. Although a girlfriend of mine has been using Chinese herbal medicine (both herbs & acupuncture) and thinks it's been really helpful in getting re-balanced, might be worth looking into? Only thing is I wouldn't know who to go to in London, you don't really want to just walk into a shop in Chinatown!

    Is it more the eating or the exercise that's proving an obstacle? As you can probably tell from my journal I have a silly time every weekend and it totally messes me up ha especially when I'm feeling happy and confident Primal life can go out the window - that's not always a bad thing and you've done amazingly in terms of weight loss recently anyway. I can empathise with you that the more you research the less you feel you know. I've been reading MDA for about 2 years now, crazy huh. But only in the last 6 months have I actually started using that knowledge to analyse how my body feels after certain foods and understand the effect that FODMAPs have on me, and even though I don't follow Primal all the time, I still think I'm much better off knowing this stuff than being ignorant. There are things that I know I just won't do at all, like eat pasta (I have a feeling I had spaghetti recently but let's forget that), and I've cut out apples etc. So I guess my advice would be to take heart from making little bits of effort here and there. Oh and don't think of not eating Primal as 'cheating'! I actually use an app called Way of Life which helps to create good habits/break old ones, and it's now in the back of my mind every day that it's going to beep at me at 9pm to ask if I've done my 4 things that day, so it could be useful for you? My 4 things are very simple - at least 20 mins fresh air, take the stairs in the office at least twice a day (I now never take the lift even if I'm with people and they want to), eat paleo (my interpretation of which does vary but it's mainly based on eating grains since that's my biggest issue at the mo), and mini workout. I could add more or update them but it seems to work at the mo.

    How is 'eat fat, lose fat'? I've had 'pure white & deadly' sitting on my bedside table for the last 6 months... I will read it soon... just need to finish this other book first....
    How does your OH eat by the way? Is he getting into the Primal life too?

    Carbdodger - I cannot BELIEVE how much you've lost in 3 months!!! Does sound like you're very very low carb though. I agree it would be good to hear what you eat daily.

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    Curious Cat, I feel for you. It took me over 2 years to normalize my womanly function after getting off the pill. That seems to be a response that some women experience. I went through potential missed miscarriage, loss of cycle after that, prometrium, monthly blood testing for hormones, premature meno, clomid. After 4 cycles on clomid, I stopped taking it, and watched my cycle finally normalize... and we had positive test a month before we were scheduled for AI (and the resulting baby is almost 7 yo now, and wonderful!). One thing is, I dunno how medical care is structured in the UK, but I would work with a gynecologist as soon as you can see one. Here in Canada, it took me a few months to be referred to a specialist. GP was completely useless.

    As for diet, I feel one has to adapt to one's needs. I feel much better on on moderate fat and high carbs. The extremes made me sick; hypoglycemia on the traditional high carb/low fat and lethargy/depression on the VLC. I am also glad that I did a lot of self-experimentation & now have a good idea on what causes which response in my body. Digestion, sleep, energy and joint health for me are the main indicators of appropriate eating; weight loss is not my goal any longer though, so I can't advise there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CuriousCat4711 View Post
    Thanks for your reply Carbdodger. Your stats are incredible! I'd love to know more about how you eat on a day to day basis and how you track your carbs. What's your thoughts on fasting? The one thing I miss about slimming world is the weekly weigh in wit others in the same boat. It gave me accountability that kept me on the straight and narrow!

    I won't go back to hormonal contraception now that I'm off the pill. We'll use barrier methods in the mean time and hopfully have a baby next year!
    I follow an 800 calorie a day regime so all the foods I eat have to be nutritionally worth eating, I eat 100-120g protein, carbs are between 40-80. I don't eat high fat but am nowhere near low fat!
    I eat 3-4 times a day, calories breakfast 150,lunch 150,dinner 350,snack 150.
    I rarely eat starchy foods,
    I have 1 fruit a day-peach,nectarine, apricot,raspberries,blackberries or cherries. all my other carbs are vegetable or in liver.
    breakfast is an egg or a sausage
    lunch is cold meat or fish and salad
    dinner meat or fish and veg,
    snack is usually the fruit or a sausage. (sausage when I've eaten too many carbs at dinner so have none left for fruit!)
    I needed to lose weight as quickly as possible and be in virtually permanent ketosis for medical reasons. its been very good for me but I have support from an oncology nutritionist who I have to email my blood ketone's to on a daily basis.
    Its a diet that has managed my diabetes incredibly well and has got me into a low normal profile with no medication in 4 months.
    When I'd had enough of the grain and starched based 'diabetic eating for health' diet (eating for health, my ass!) my weight was 242.5 lbs. On starting primal- 18th April 2013 weight : 238.1.
    27th July 2013. weight after 100 days 136.9 weight lost 101.2lb ; that's 105.6lbs since I stopped the 'diabetic eating for health'
    new journal http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum...ml#post1264082

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    Thanks for the info Carbdodger it must take a lot willpower and determination to follow such a strict guideline but then I guess you have good motivation for it! I think what you've achieved through nutrition is incredible and you certainly are an inspiriation.

    Leida I'm sorry you had such a hard time getting your cycle regular but wonderful that managed to conceive. That is very encouragins as I hope to have a baby in the not too distant future. I know I need to go to my doctor and request a scan but I am so scared the cysts will have come back because of gaining weight recently

    Livlytique I'd be interested in the chinese herbal remedies if I struggle with my cycle. I've been off the pill 4 weeks and no period yet (I stopped bleeding after 10 days). I feel a bit premenstral, bloated and possible cramps but we'll see if anything transpires. 8 weeks is a long time! Are you feeling ok despite the lack of Aunt Flo? lol
    It's the exercise I especially struggle with and this heat is not helping! I work strange hours too, often finishing at about 8pm and not getting home till 9.30pm so eating and going to bed, not great. I'll look at that app. I've not been too bad but the weight is not budging I've not had any alcohol for over a week and plan to carry on that way as my OH has decided to have break from booze. He is not really intesterested in ancestral health but he does eat low carb to keep slim so that helps. He is not helping me with my dangerous addiction to iced coffees from starbucks lol
    Loved Eat Fat, Lose Fat! There is some grain consumption on the menu but only fermented. I think I might just skip that element. I use coconut oil to cook with already but this has you eating a LOT of coconut and capping calories at 2500. Sounds a lot but then I don't count at all at the mo and eating high fat can blow them quickly! I think I'll try it and see if I can shed some pounds!

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    So I've been very absent recently after going through a horrible and unexpected break up with my boyfriend. Just starting to put the pieces of my life together. God it's hard when you live together.

    Thankfully I have some amazing friends who've rallied around given me somewhere to live and kept me busy so I'm not sat around sobbing all the time.

    Haven't even thought about what I've been eating.. very little!

    Time for a new beginning I guess...

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    Oh no, I'm so sorry to hear that... Time and good friends are what you need, and it sounds like you've got some great support be kind to yourself x

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    Fellow PCOSers say HAAAAAAAYYYYY

    Primal is amazing for PCOS, as is very low carb. I never feel as good as I feel when I commit to my low carb macros.

    Don't get overwhelmed! Stick with what you know. Do the best you can, no one is perfect, and aiming for the "right" way to do things just leads to paralysis by analysis and is not ultimately helpful.

    For me, and I don't like to project onto you but it may be helpful, the biggest thing is just committing to something and following through. Don't question whether it's right until you've done it long enough to adequately decide. 2 weeks of "the wrong thing" is not going to hurt you, and it's better to see it through and then decide it wasn't "right" than it is to keep chopping and changing and never coming to any conclusions.
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