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    Fuctose is Alcohol without the Buzz

    Fructose: it's "alcohol without the buzz". [Adv Nutr. 2013] - PubMed - NCBI

    This should be of interest to those who overindulge in alcohol. There have also been several studies reported this week showing that people can be addicted to carbs and fructose with glucose and insulin responses similar to those of alcoholics.
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    Ahh, good ol' Dr. Lustig.

    This guy has been debunked thoroughly, and I don't really trust much of his work to be honest (not bashing this study because I haven't read it, but his sugar and fructose scaremongering has gone much too far in recent instances).

    Actually, Alan Aragon addresses this study in his posts about Lustig's claims about fructose, I suggest you check them out (as well as the comment section, which is just as educational as the actual post, as Alan Aragon and Lustig go back and forth, Lyle McDonald is hilarious, and Fred Hahn spouts his usual nonsense).

    Original post: The bitter truth about fructose alarmism. | Alan Aragon's Blog
    Recap post, outlining the best of the comments and the whole situation: A retrospective of the fructose alarmism debate. | Alan Aragon's Blog
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    Quote Originally Posted by jakejoh10 View Post
    Ahh, good ol' Dr. Lustig. This guy has been debunked thoroughly...
    I'm fine with Lustig, nobody else in the states has the nuts to say a word against industry.

    There was a link above to a blog post by some guy name Alan Aragon. I have no idea who this guy is, but he's an idiot, or at least he has never lived in NE Asia and ought not to comment on topics of which he knows nothing. Here's what I got from his blog:

    "One of Lustig’s opening assertions is that The Atkins diet and the Japanese diet share one thing in common: the absence of fructose. This is flat-out false because it implies that the Japanese don’t eat fruit. On the contrary, bananas, grapefruits, Mandarin oranges, apples, grapes, watermelons, pears, persimmons, peaches, and strawberries are significant staples of the Japanese diet. Lustig’s claim also implies that the Japanese do not consume desserts or sauces that contain added sucrose. This is false as well."

    [Sigh], either hair-splitting, ignorance, or intentional deception.

    Both of Lustig's statements are true for NE Asia. One of the most striking differences in NE Asia (coming from the USA) is the lack of deserts. Desert simply isn't served, not in most restaurants. If it is served it is a single piece of fruit, like a pear/watermelon slice, or a mini-cup of pear juice. But again, usually no desert. If you leave the restaurant to go find some desert with your friends; you find a very small portion of whatever, and it won't be very sugary. Koreans in particular prefer a very mild sweetness, and are offended by disgusting American-style sugar-bombs. For example, in 7-11s here the "Super Big Gulp" does not exists...nobody would drink such a thing.

    Fruit is absolutely not a major part of the Korean diet, which focuses on vegetables, I assume JP is similar. And Japan despite inventing HFCS prefers plant-based sugar like stevia. I could go on all day with interesting observations on NE Asia and their sugar consumption.

    The point is both JP & KR have the lowest obesity in the developed world (3.5% range), and their lack of sugar/fructose consumption could be it. In fact sugar probably is it, period. Especially liquid sugar. So saying ignorant things on the internet, with no actual experience, really doesn't help humanity figure out their obesity epidemic does it?

    Let's try to keep it honest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KimchiNinja View Post
    I'm fine with Lustig, nobody else in the states has the nuts to say a word against industry.

    There was a link above to a blog post by some guy name Alan Aragon. I have no idea who this guy is, but he's an idiot, or at least he has never lived in NE Asia and ought not to comment on topics of which he knows nothing. Here's what I got from his blog:
    Lustig is a severely overweight sensationalist moron. If you're going to preach about health and want to be taken seriously, a good starting point is not being 75 pounds overweight.

    Alan Aragon, while possibly the biggest fish oil toting fool out there, he is Asian, so he probably has some cultural idea.



    Sugar is less "fattening" than starch.
    Starch is less "fattening" than oil.
    Oils high in SFA are less "fattening" than oils low in SFA.

    Olive oil is more fattening than coconut oil. Corn oil is more fattening than olive oil. Carbohydrate in general is less fattening than fat, and sugar is less fattening than starch because it is absorbed much more slowly and controlled.
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    Would be good to see the whole article. Especially because right in the abstract he is making the claim on the Japanese diet that was so debated on Alan's blog. I can't say that either side was utterly convincing.

    The blog and debate linked is a couple of years old so I would like to read this in its entirety and see if there is some new data.

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    I get a buzz from eating fruit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eKatherine View Post
    I get a buzz from eating fruit.
    Really now???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptocode View Post
    Fructose: it's "alcohol without the buzz". [Adv Nutr. 2013] - PubMed - NCBI

    This should be of interest to those who overindulge in alcohol. There have also been several studies reported this week showing that people can be addicted to carbs and fructose with glucose and insulin responses similar to those of alcoholics.
    Robert Lustig would actually make a good journalist for gossip magazines. He has a penchant for stirring up sensationalism. The problem is that he compromises his credibility by neglecting to include data that significantly reduces the shock value of his dramatized pleas.

    I highly encourage anyone interested to read a much more objective review of the fructose topic here (it happens to be in the same journal): Challenging the Fructose Hypothesis: New Perspectives on Fructose Consumption and Metabolism

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan Aragon View Post
    Robert Lustig would actually make a good journalist for gossip magazines. He has a penchant for stirring up sensationalism. The problem is that he compromises his credibility by neglecting to include data that significantly reduces the shock value of his dramatized pleas.

    I highly encourage anyone interested to read a much more objective review of the fructose topic here (it happens to be in the same journal): Challenging the Fructose Hypothesis: New Perspectives on Fructose Consumption and Metabolism
    The Alan Aragon making an appearance on the primal forums? Aww sheeeet
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    Quote Originally Posted by jakejoh10 View Post
    The Alan Aragon making an appearance on the primal forums? Aww sheeeet
    Hey Jake,

    I just read your new blog post - really enjoyed it.

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