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    What agenda? I'm not getting paid by anyone. I just want you to shut up, that's all. Some things are that black and white.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Derpamix View Post
    What agenda? I'm not getting paid by anyone. I just want you to shut up, that's all. Some things are that black and white.
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    Quote Originally Posted by magicmerl View Post
    Which was totally the position of the tobacco industry 50 years ago.
    I will gladly give you all a round of applause and admit I was wrong when grains are proven to be comparable to cigarettes, but for now, I'm going to stand by my opinion that that comparison is utterly absurd.

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    I know it bothers you that there are people who exist that are clear proof that your agenda is false.
    But wait, there are people who eat grains all the time that are perfectly healthy. By your logic, that should disprove your "agenda", right? What gives? Do we just ignore the fact that some people eat grains with no problems at all? I don't think that's the most intellectually honest thing to do, in my opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Forgotmylastusername View Post
    With the diabetes trials no. If you're talking about the Ornish heart disease trial then yes, but what's that got to do whether they ate a lot of whole grains or not?
    Just everything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RichMahogany View Post
    As far as butter's concerned, did you see the recent re-evaluation of the Sydney study? I'd say that is as conclusive that butter is protective as Esselstyn's grains trials. Nobody in their right mind thinks smoking prevents heart disease.
    The study that showed polyunsaturated margarine's are bad for you? I wouldn't disagree with that at all.
    How on earth does that show butter is protective. Show me a study where people reversed heart disease by being encouraged to eat butter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jakejoh10 View Post
    You're seriously comparing wheat to cigarettes? Goodness, this is too much.
    I think the point he tried to make (and the way I read it) is that someone can look/feel as if a certain thing they do/eat does not have negative effects on them, but it may be doing unnoticed/unseen damage.

    Most young smokers seem to look/feel fine and notice no real issues in everyday life connected with their smoking – so their response may be: Smoking doesn't seem to cause me any issues.

    Is it comparable in health issues – that’s another argument.

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    I don't want to be "that guy" who argues with everyone (seemingly this is what's happening in another thread), but this is borderline crazy talk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EatMoveSleep View Post
    Most young smokers seem to look/feel fine and notice no real issues in everyday life connected with their smoking – so their response may be: Smoking doesn't seem to cause me any issues.

    Is it comparable in health issues – that’s another argument.
    I see where he's coming from in a sense, but I still don't feel that the comparison is warranted. Again, just my opinion


    If one has strong opinions on opinionated forums then it’s going to keep happening
    Yeah, I understand that. I try to stay neutral as far as emotions go, and I'm interested in learning as much as I can. I hope I haven't rubbed anyone the wrong way, I just like to debate controversial issues lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Forgotmylastusername View Post
    I never said that was the sole reason or even a major reason.
    OK

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    It was the fact they were able to reverse heart disease on a diet that emphasized whole grains.
    Yes I think positive results would come if all the other stuff is done too.


    Quote Originally Posted by Forgotmylastusername View Post
    I'd sure like to see a successful heart disease reversal study that emphasizes smoking or butter consumption.
    Smoking study for health improvements? – no, not interested

    Butter consumption – in cakes & biscuits etc (they way westerners typically consume it) isn’t going to help IMO.

    Butter consumption with real foods – yes that study would be interesting.

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    The real question is ......

    Do we really need two concurrent wheat threads running?

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    I love how anything about wheat or veganism is a gauranteed fiery response...

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    The real question is ......

    Do we really need two concurrent wheat threads running?
    At least it's not CICO!
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    In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

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