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    Quote Originally Posted by Zach View Post
    Well we live in a sad society of lazy sheeple who would rather live a comfortable disease riddled lifestyle then take responsibility of their own actions and do something about it.
    I think the take responsibility element is a big part of this. If obesity is diagnosed as a disease, then people will throw up their hands and shirk any responsibility for their physical condition since "I have a disease, see, here is the medication my doctor is giving me for it".

    This is symptomatic of US culture in general. A large portion of Americans don't want to take responsibility for their actions. Use a tool in the wrong way and get hurt? Sue the company that made the tool because it was not labeled in how not to use it and didn't have enough safeguards to idiotproof.

    Americans are told almost daily that whatever is wrong with them mentally, physically and emotionally, is not their fault. They have a disease or disorder.

    There are diseases and disorders out there that are beyond the persons' capability to deal with without drugs and surgery but, IMHO, they are the minority.

    Blame obesity on the FDA, AMA, CIA or DEA but at the end of the day, the only cure is to lose the fat. Calling it a disease and throwing drugs and surgery at it is not a cure, it is a highly profitable treatment of signs and symptoms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Finnegans Wake View Post
    It would be terribly cynical of me to suggest that this is just another ploy pushed through by Big Pharma to sell lots and lots more pills.

    Mr. Wake? The dispenser will see you now...
    +1

    The next step, now that it's labeled, it can have a billing code at the Dr., which then allows health insurance to deem you as a "pre existing condition" and now you are not only unhire-able but whoops, no coverage for you.

    Then they won't have to admit to all the purposeful, addictive, market-tested-up-the-whazoo treats the franken-food industry has designed to emulate natures way of creating food as a drug. There was a guy on 60 min. last year who admitted this, showed how it was done. I wondered after the story, why didn't they show that food industry guys pantry in his home? I bet it didn't have the doritos he invented....
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    The next step, now that it's labeled, it can have a billing code at the Dr., which then allows health insurance to deem you as a "pre existing condition" and now you are not only unhire-able but whoops, no coverage for you.
    Not any more unless they repeal Obamacare.

    Blame obesity on the FDA, AMA, CIA or DEA but at the end of the day, the only cure is to lose the fat. Calling it a disease and throwing drugs and surgery at it is not a cure, it is a highly profitable treatment of signs and symptoms.
    The downside is that the treatments most promoted in the US- Low Fat/Whole Grain/Lots of Cardio are a trifecta of shit that doesn't work for a lot of people. I feel like I beat this topic to death on another topic. But let's just say per the medical establishment:
    The food I eat today will make me fat (I've lost some odd 40lbs)
    The food I ate back when I was obese was PERFECTION (I just stayed fat despite probably 8-10 hours of cardio a week).

    So, I set myself up for failure and blamed myself for not working hard enough. The only thing I did wrong was keep following the insipid program promoted by every "authority" in the US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iniQuity View Post
    If you can call alcoholism a disease, why not obesity?
    THAT was the beginning of the end.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gorbag View Post
    Alcoholism is addiction to alcohol, some mental disorder(s) underlying it, but not all obese persons are addicted to food or have a mental disorder that makes them overeat…
    Quote Originally Posted by LauraSB View Post
    I would guess its 99%.
    Maybe if you are morbidly obese, but often people are obese because of bad habits within the family. The parents are fat or obese, their kids are fat and even their pets, cats and dogs are fat…

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    Quote Originally Posted by sbhikes View Post
    So giving someone a diagnosis might make them accept treatment and follow a healthier diet. Even a healthy CW diet will help some people. And maybe some of them will find their way here.
    I sincerely hope you are right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iniQuity View Post
    If you can call alcoholism a disease, why not obesity?
    +1 Whether addiction as defined by some "authority" or not, one makes a conscious choice as to what one puts in one's mouth.

    If drug/alcohol rehab is covered by insurance, I see no reason why fat farms and other treatments for obesity shouldn't be covered.
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    Seriously, something is only a disease if people are addicted to the cause by all standards? Better drop 99% of diseases then. No point in treating cancer if it's not an addiction.

    I think it was the surgeons who wanted this most.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noodletoy View Post
    even more than pills is the burgeoning industry in gastric bypass/sleeve/etc. kinds of surgeries. insurance will pay now and hospitals make lots of money off it.
    My wife is a nurse on the bariatric unit of a hospital. She says patients have always come in for surgery with the diagnosis of "morbidly obesity". So I don't know how much of a change this will have there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neckhammer View Post
    My wife is a nurse on the bariatric unit of a hospital. She says patients have always come in for surgery with the diagnosis of "morbidly obesity". So I don't know how much of a change this will have there.
    I have seen surgeons express the opinion that 50 pounds overweight ought to be the threshold for surgery. They would operate on everyone who was overweight if somebody would pick up the tab.

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