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    Quote Originally Posted by RichMahogany View Post
    Life on earth, as we know it, has no hope to survive the ultimate death of the sun. If you think people can live independently of the greater community of life on planet earth, I want some of what you're smoking.
    After technology develops small solar panels we will iimplant on the tops of our heads to provide us with energy, there will be no such limits. :P

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    Oysters have no central hub, they have a nervous system, which is two ganglia of nerves around their body but not a central hub, so it's unlikely that they are conscious and can feel or respond to pain such as higher mammals can. As such, they're more complex than plants -- but are not as complex as for an example a cow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RichMahogany View Post
    Just no. So very no. Life is death because energy cannot be created nor destroyed.
    How so?

    Wouldn't death be a result of the absence of energy? Since there is always energy, there is always life, or at least the potential for it.


    Quote Originally Posted by RichMahogany View Post
    Life on earth, as we know it, has no hope to survive the ultimate death of the sun. If you think people can live independently of the greater community of life on planet earth, I want some of what you're smoking.
    Computer science is opening up those possibilities, I would argue that it is inevitable, and even closer than you would imagine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RichMahogany View Post
    I'd like to know your definition of humane if you think keeping dairy cattle is less inhumane than keeping pastured beef animals for slaughter.
    I don't think either are generally humane, but not equally barbaric either depending on where the dairy farm is and their policies. Differing degrees from small farm to mass production milking machines. You keep trying to make a point that I am misguided when I already admitted a few pages back that I am hypocritical. I eat meat and dairy, but I dislike the means to the end. Do I really need to love it and be happy about it?
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    Circle of life and whatnot, but, propose, that if a cow is happy, would it be happy knowing that you're going to stick a pole through its brain and eat it later? Or, would it be happy knowing that its sole purpose in life is to feed you? Likely not.

    Lions don't have nearly the same complex moral system as human beings(some anyway) thus, the way they think, perceive, and act is entirely different(or should be) than a human being.

    No matter what you eat though, you're going to put someone, or something out. Welcome to plantation earth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zach View Post
    I also dont agree with the humane argument of vegetarians/vegans. Everything we do creates death, its completely impossible to live without harming. Is an insects or fishs life any less important then a cow?
    This is why you're considered the reasonable troll

    Quote Originally Posted by Zach View Post
    I look at it purely in terms of health. And for me, animal products, mainly farmed meat is far more toxic then a mostly plant based diet. If we could all go back to eating completely wild game then my opinion would change. Although the same can be said about vegetables sprayed with roundup vs organic. I just think that the way animals are treated these days and how we eat them, completely changes how our bodies handle it.
    This is a much better argument than the "humane" vs "inhumane"/"death" vs. "death we don't have to look at" argument.

    But it would be less entertaining, because we'd be quibbling over degree rather than butting heads over facts.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zach View Post
    Plus as we age, we do not need as much animal products. I do believe it can be detrimental for older people to eat the same amount of animal products as a young person.
    Have to admit that's a new one for me, but not something I'd dismiss outright. Got any non-Ray Peat articles that address this?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zach View Post
    I think this thread started off just about eating more carbs, which i agree with. The whole vegetarian vs carnivore vs omnivore vs vegan thing is pretty pointless because there are too many variables. The moral and humane argument is completely rediculous[sic] because life causes death, how much is irrelevant.
    And I'm with you here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bloodorchid View Post
    Im aware of all the unnatural man made crap i use, test tube meat shoots past all that like a cat with its tail on fire
    It's still in research phases and won't be in production for years. Don't you think its a little ignorant to judge something without ever having seen or tried it?

    What about the fecal matter and bacteria that occurs and comes in contact with organic meats? How does "test tube" meat gross you out more than that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by eKatherine View Post
    Sounds like you don't know zip about in vitro meat products. Did you forget to read up on them? Have you forgotten what it is like to eat meat?

    Quick poll...

    Are internet trolls natural or unnatural?
    Sounds like you're talking about something different than I am? What I'm talking about is still being developed and isn't available yet, and won't be for a while.

    I'm not talking about imitation meats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RichMahogany View Post
    Have to admit that's a new one for me, but not something I'd dismiss outright. Got any non-Ray Peat articles that address this?
    His point is probably what I posted earlier: excessive iron and the growth and aging amino acids, of which(excluding iron) we need a lot of as we're developing, but significantly less as we're already done growing. Hence the composition of mammal milk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DamienMaddox View Post
    How so?

    Wouldn't death be a result of the absence of energy? Since there is always energy, there is always life, or at least the potential for it.
    You're conflating death with the absence of energy? Maybe you should get a dictionary and look up the word energy.

    Quote Originally Posted by DamienMaddox View Post
    Computer science is opening up those possibilities, I would argue that it is inevitable, and even closer than you would imagine.
    Go back to your comic books and leave the rational adults alone.

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