I just read this whole thread, and to be honest I think there are a couple of things that should be said.
First, I find farmed fish, and commercial raised animals to be barbaric. The treatment of those animals is completely wrong. If that was our only option for meats I would feel bad about eating them. Pasture raised animals, and wild animals that are happy are a great source of meat. This brings me to point number two if it wasn't for meat consumption there would be little to no cattle in the world. The pasture raised animals raised by farmers who care for their animals, protect them from predators provide good grazing land etc are very humane. And without meat consumption those animals likely would have never been born.
I also think most people's views on consuming animal products are affected by their exposure to animals while growing up. My neighbor who hunts, and butchers the animals in his garage gets help with the butchering from his daughters. They have no problems with getting involved because they were exposed to it from a young age. My neighbor, and his family have a lot of respect for nature, and animals, but that doesn't stop them from hunting to feed their family.
Also I should mention that there are a lot of animals being displaced by agriculture, and being harmed by the pesticides, herbicides, and fertilizers used on agriculture land. Organic doesn't mean no pesticides, herbicides, or fertilizers, just natural ones. There are a lot of people who think that the bee population is declining due to a herbicide that the bees are not tolerant to.
Of course I feel eating wild fish and properly raised meat/organs would not hurt this diet.
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I look at it purely in terms of health. And for me, animal products, mainly farmed meat is far more toxic then a mostly plant based diet. If we could all go back to eating completely wild game then my opinion would change. Although the same can be said about vegetables sprayed with roundup vs organic. I just think that the way animals are treated these days and how we eat them, completely changes how our bodies handle it.
Plus as we age, we do not need as much animal products. I do believe it can be detrimental for older people to eat the same amount of animal products as a young person.
I think this thread started off just about eating more carbs, which i agree with. The whole vegetarian vs carnivore vs omnivore vs vegan thing is pretty pointless because there are too many variables. The moral and humane argument is completely rediculous because life causes death, how much is irrelevant.